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Posted: 7/31/2011 12:29 AM
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As for programs scheduling opponents off campus in another city for a "home" game, consider this.  L.S.U. will play a "home" game this year against Oregon in, that's right, DALLAS, TEXAS.


Rivals.com says this is an Oregon "home" game.  Anyway, Jerry Jones offered them a big payday to come play in his palace.  I'm for an early "home" game away from Peden, but I'm wondering how Toledo manages to get nationally prominent teams at the Glass Bowl year in and year out.  Since 2006, they've had home games against Kansas, Fresno State, Iowa State, Colorado and Arizona.  This year they have Boise.  All in a 26,000-seat stadium.  And none of them made their top 10 draws -- they had 36,852 vs. Navy in 2001.   Granted, they're in the #66 TV market and within spitting distance of the #9 market, but that can't mean that much.  What's their secret?
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Posted: 7/31/2011 11:28 AM
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...but I'm wondering how Toledo manages to get nationally prominent teams at the Glass Bowl year in and year out.  Since 2006, they've had home games against Kansas, Fresno State, Iowa State, Colorado and Arizona.  This year they have Boise.  All in a 26,000-seat stadium.  And none of them made their top 10 draws -- they had 36,852 vs. Navy in 2001.   Granted, they're in the #66 TV market and within spitting distance of the #9 market, but that can't mean that much.  What's their secret?
Not sure if it is tradition, connections, or something they're offering to sweeten contracts, but they have had some great marquee home games in the last decade, and have more coming up: Navy again in 2013, Missouri in 2014, and Iowa State & Miami (Fl) in 2015.

From what I can tell, the upcoming Missouri, Miami, Navy, and Iowa State games are all 1-for-1 deals.
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Posted: 7/31/2011 11:52 AM
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...but I'm wondering how Toledo manages to get nationally prominent teams at the Glass Bowl year in and year out.  Since 2006, they've had home games against Kansas, Fresno State, Iowa State, Colorado and Arizona.  This year they have Boise.  All in a 26,000-seat stadium.  And none of them made their top 10 draws -- they had 36,852 vs. Navy in 2001.   Granted, they're in the #66 TV market and within spitting distance of the #9 market, but that can't mean that much.  What's their secret?
Not sure if it is tradition, connections, or something they're offering to sweeten contracts, but they have had some great marquee home games in the last decade, and have more coming up: Navy again in 2013, Missouri in 2014, and Iowa State & Miami (Fl) in 2015.

From what I can tell, the upcoming Missouri, Miami, Navy, and Iowa State games are all 1-for-1 deals.



Nobody has touched on this but the sharp uptick in BCS schools willing to travel to MAC stadiums has to do with the move to 12 games. Most BCS conference schools want only 1 BCS program on the non-conference schedule making it hard for schools like Iowa State and Kansas to get a 1 for 1 with a 60,000 seat BCS power. Some BCS programs don't want to play any BCS programs at all in the non-conference further complicating it. That is why you are seeing lower tier Big XII or Big East schools having to sign 1 for 1's as they can't afford the payday cash. With the realignment the Big XII now has 10 teams playing a 9 game schedule and the Big East is moving from a 7 game conference schedule to one with 8 games. The PAC-12 is also sticking with a 9 conference game schedule. This may reduce opportunities for the MAC to bring BCS programs at home in the future.
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Posted: 7/31/2011 12:23 PM
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Think about Penn State.  Their main campus is located right dab-smack in the middle of Pennsylvania.  For those of you who don't know Pennsylvanian geography very well,  There is Pittsburgh out in the Southwest, Philadelphia in the Southeast, and (almost) absolutely nothing elsewhere. To get there, it's about a 2 hour drive from both Metro areas, yet they draw almost 100,000 people every game.  Why is that?  In the last 50 seasons, Penn State has had 43 winning seasons.  If we had that kind of long term success, I bet we would be a BCS team with a stadium of 50,000 easily.


One of the aspects of Penn State or Virgina Tech is they started their porgrams with a bigger stadium capacity which impressed recruits. Penn State built Beaver Stadium in 1960 to 47,000 seats, Virginia Tech built Lane Stadium to 35,000. Peden was orginally supposed to be a 29,000 seat horseshoe when design but the decision was to keep capacity at 17,500 until the 80's. Had Ohio finished that 29,000 seat design in the 60's and gone independent in football the program could have hosted BCS schools and have UC's spot in the Big East. Ping let the program go down the drain before he realized it needed support. Its too expensive to expand Peden in today's economy and the 24,000 seats is what its probably always going to be. The rationale behind even getting to 24,000 was driven by a requirement to have a 30,000 seat stadium that is no longer in place. Miami and BG have reduced their capacities from 30,000 to 24,000. Incedentally, 25,000 seats is the new norm in capacity for MAC level programs with new FBS programs like Western Kentucky and Texas State building capacity to the 25,000 standard. Ohio instead decided to go extra big with the Convo instead of the football stadium so now we have a Big Ten level basketall arena with a MAC level stadium. To be fair, the fanbase in basketball was big regularly exceeding crowds of 6,000 at Grover but 14,000 was a facility for a top 10 power at the time. And now we are scheduling a diet of low major competition in the Convo? The university has and is making some stupid moves when it comes to athletics.
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Posted: 7/31/2011 10:25 PM
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Absolutely agree that Cleveland is the goal.  I sense that we're building a winning tradition that could get us there in the fairly near future (2-3 years) against a big name opponent.


I'm starting to agree with you on that winning is everything and all that this program needs to advance its stature. Twenty years ago because of budget and the bowl situation the program maxed out with a MAC Championship with no hope of a higher profile existence unless something out of the box happened (like leaving the MAC). Instead of doing payday games, the program could get to the point where it has 1 for 1 series against Penn State or Michigan State in Cleveland or Kentucky/Louisville in Cincinnati. As the home team for a big selling game like that, Ohio could walk away with 2 million dollars double the amount typically associated with a payday. Still play only one yearly game against the BCS but every other year or so have that game in Cleveland, Cincinnati or even DC against a VT/UVA/Maryland opponent. Hocutt wanted to play Virginia Tech in DC but that game instead was given to Boise State because of the winning traditon they built on running off many 12-2 or better type seasons. Its the small conference strategy of ripping through an easy league, using the wins to enhance recruiting and maximize TV coverage to grow the fanbase. If Appalacian State can average 25,000 on a Southern Conference schedule playing FCS teams there is no reason why Ohio's fanbase couldn't grow in the MAC. Playing the tough OOC only earns respect in the preseason publications. What fans remember is the wins.
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