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Posted: 8/15/2011 1:05 PM
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So Bates misses two practices.  Big Deal! 

If it was for personal/family reasons no one has a problem with it - nor should they.  If it was because he was told of a positioning change, my guess is the coaches appreciated it was a crushing blow to the young man.  Probably told him to take a day or two and get his head around it.  Rather have a committed player than a moping player. 

But some on this board need to make it sound like a personal mutiny.  Relax.  And I'm sure when he scores a TD in the fall know one will care about the missed practices and perhaps '86 will have a new fond memory of a solid Bobcat.
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Posted: 8/15/2011 1:07 PM
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There's also nothing on his profile that says he's 21 (which he isn't).
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Posted: 8/15/2011 7:12 PM
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There's also nothing on his profile that says he's 21 (which he isn't).


Real Name: Alex Norris
Location: Bristol, CT
Email: Private
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Age: 21 years old
Occupation: Student
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Posted: 8/15/2011 8:40 PM
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So Bates misses two practices.  Big Deal! 

If it was for personal/family reasons no one has a problem with it - nor should they.  If it was because he was told of a positioning change, my guess is the coaches appreciated it was a crushing blow to the young man.  Probably told him to take a day or two and get his head around it.  Rather have a committed player than a moping player. 

But some on this board need to make it sound like a personal mutiny.  Relax.  And I'm sure when he scores a TD in the fall know one will care about the missed practices and perhaps '86 will have a new fond memory of a solid Bobcat.


I could not have been more clear if there was a family problem that family came first in my post.  Other than a family emergency or injury, I can't think of a good reason to not be a practice.

My references to posters who are 21 years old are only in the context that some of us have had a vested interest in this program for 21 years or more.  I am 48 years old and I was in Kindergarten the last time Ohio won the MAC. 

Some of us have to travel 8 to 10 hours (or more such as Monroe) each way to watch a game in Athens.  That also means giving up family time and missing our children's athletic events on weekends.  If there are players who are not dedicated to practice and we have coaches who condone this, then I am not real motivated to make the effort to make the long road trips I used to make to watch Ohio football.  I refuse to root for uniforms in terms of "blind loyalty", I want to root for those who wear the uniforms.

This is not so much about a particular player, but the general attitude of some who will cheer for a TD in the fall, but give that player a pass when they did not feel the need to particpate in all practices.  Many of us have been very patient and understanding since 1968 (or my freshman year of 1981) and simply want to know that win or lose, the players on the team gave their best effort in terms or preperation and effort on game day.

Being a Bobcat or another MAC School means you are a "Underdog" for most games and I have embraced that as have most of the other posters on this board. 
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I agree with most of what BG86 has said in this thread.   Further, I think the bottom line is that Mr. Bates has decided to be a team player.  That's very good news for Ohio, and I think that bodes well for us having the kind of team that BG86 says that he wants.  I think that this team will be filled with guys who will show great determination, put in lots of hard work, and will make us all proud to be Bobcats.  I'm one of those who remember 1968 (and actually 1960).  It's about time for another magic season! 
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Posted: 8/15/2011 9:24 PM
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86 is clearly rational, normal, not the kinda guy whose posts are such that you'd ever question them.  Chip!

I understand that I am a different case.
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Posted: 8/15/2011 9:29 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
86 is clearly rational, normal, not the kinda guy whose posts are such that you'd ever question them.  Chip!

I understand that I am a different case.


One outta 2 ain't bad.....haha.

You know we luv ya Chip.
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Posted: 8/15/2011 9:34 PM
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No matter what year we graduated or began following Ohio Football, we can all agree that "Miami Sucks"!
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Posted: 8/15/2011 10:02 PM
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Speaking of those who have been dedicated to Ohio Football, how about Melba Evans who started in the Athletic Department in 1966?  As the football "Staff Secretary", Melba has endured the Burke, Bryant and Lichtenberg years prior to the Grobe, Knorr and Solich teams!
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Posted: 8/15/2011 10:18 PM
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Melba worked there when I did so she was also there during the Coach Hess and Kappes days.
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Speaking of those who have been dedicated to Ohio Football, how about Melba Evans who started in the Athletic Department in 1966? As the football "Staff Secretary", Melba has endured the Burke, Bryant and Lichtenberg years prior to the Grobe, Knorr and Solich teams!
Melba hung it up last month, 45 years working Ohio Football.
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Posted: 8/15/2011 11:01 PM
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Two names of past MAC QB should motivate Bates: Josh Cribbs and Julian Edleman.  Both are in NFL as WR after being QB's in the MAC.  Bates has his senior year to showcase his abilities to scouts.  I'd like to see Tettleton deliver the ball to Bates in the open field with room to run and repeatedly torch the MAC this season. Bates needs a highlight film to shows NFL scouts. You could really give Bates more touches as a WR as he would be the third or 4th option in the passing attack.  Brazil, Dunlap and Thompson are gonna get attention and Bates could be open a lot and be able to deliver some big plays.  I wouldn't mind see him involved in some trick plays. You got some options.  Maybee he becomes more of our T-Bow short yardage package with the option.  
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Posted: 8/15/2011 11:53 PM
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L.C. is right on as usual :)
I think the position change may add a great new wrinkle to keep opposing DC's guessing.
I can't wait for the season to kick off!!!
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Posted: 8/16/2011 12:16 AM
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I could not have been more clear if there was a family problem that family came first in my post.  Other than a family emergency or injury, I can't think of a good reason to not be a practice.

My references to posters who are 21 years old are only in the context that some of us have had a vested interest in this program for 21 years or more.  I am 48 years old and I was in Kindergarten the last time Ohio won the MAC. 

Some of us have to travel 8 to 10 hours (or more such as Monroe) each way to watch a game in Athens.  That also means giving up family time and missing our children's athletic events on weekends.  If there are players who are not dedicated to practice and we have coaches who condone this, then I am not real motivated to make the effort to make the long road trips I used to make to watch Ohio football.  I refuse to root for uniforms in terms of "blind loyalty", I want to root for those who wear the uniforms.

This is not so much about a particular player, but the general attitude of some who will cheer for a TD in the fall, but give that player a pass when they did not feel the need to particpate in all practices.  Many of us have been very patient and understanding since 1968 (or my freshman year of 1981) and simply want to know that win or lose, the players on the team gave their best effort in terms or preperation and effort on game day.

Being a Bobcat or another MAC School means you are a "Underdog" for most games and I have embraced that as have most of the other posters on this board. 

Hey, I hear ya, and we're all on the same team (though, even at just 21, I'm now closer to a 12 hour trip each way to Athens after graduating ).  And it isn't like I didn't drive all over the state of Ohio last year or take a 17-hour-each-way bus trip to Louisiana to follow the team and spend my collegiate budget to see a total of 9 games in person last season.  We're all vested in this team.  All I was getting on was that the possibility of his absence being for a legitimate reason seemed very much back seat to jumping to the idea that he was simply slacking in your first post.  When we don't know, I'd rather give the kid the benefit of the doubt.

As an aside, I think the reason for JSF's post was that the person you quoted in that post wasn't me, and isn't 21 . Thanks for the reminder that I need to change my occupation, though!

Of course Miami sucks!  Can we get to September already???????
Last Edited: 8/16/2011 12:17:11 AM by anorris
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Posted: 8/16/2011 12:55 AM
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There's also nothing on his profile that says he's 21 (which he isn't).


Real Name: Alex Norris
Location: Bristol, CT
Email: Private
Website: None
Age: 21 years old
Occupation: Student


You quoted Suga Fries, not Alex. And yes, you said family comes first... after you felt the need to blast him based on speculative reasons for not being at practice. Maybe there was a family emergency. Maybe he was hurt. Maybe he had an HIV scare. Maybe he had an allergic reaction to a bee sting. Maybe he had a job interview that absolutely could not be rescheduled. Maybe he was infiltrating a drug ring working undercover for the police.

But you don't know, and neither do I. And it's none of your business, nor is it mine. The coach decided whatever was going on justified him missing practice and immediately returning after his leave. That's the team's business.
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Posted: 8/16/2011 1:07 AM
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I'm 21, and I think Phil Bates is going to destroy out of the wildcat this year.  
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As a 50 year old fan ('83) I care if a player comes to play the games fully prepared mentally, physically, emotionally and passionately.  How he/she “gets there” is the coach’s job. And if that means giving a guy a day or two to get his mojo back - I'm all for it.

 

And one wonders why players look at fans cockeyed.  Let’s just assume it is related to depth chart.

 

Fan:  Son, I hear you took a few practices off in August.

 

Player:  Yea I did.  I had focused all my energy and passion on being the starting quarterback for this team and it knocked me down to lose that opportunity.  I just needed a day or two to get my mind around it. 

 

Fan: Well, I don’t appreciate you not waking up everyday being fully committed to this team. 

 

Player: I am committed to this team and my teammates.  That’s evident in February when I wake up at 5:30 for lifting and in August when we are out there in 90 degree heat.  Bedsides, I didn’t skip a practice.  I talked to the coaches and they excused me from practice so that I could get myself refocused.  If you have a problem with me missing practice, talk to the coach. 

 

Fan:  No, I’m talking to you.  We fans go out of our way to come see you play on Saturday and we deserver total commitment.

 

Player: And we appreciate you coming out and supporting us.  It makes it a lot easier to get through practice knowing the fans will be there for us come the weekend.  I don’t dog it on the field.  I want this team to win more than anyone else.  I put my body on the line every time I touch the ball.  With one purpose:  Help this team win. 

 

Fan:  But back in August, for those 48 hours, you did dog it. 

 

Player:  What are you, 45?  50?  Have you ever had to call an employee into your office and move them off a dream account because you had a better person for that job?  The first guy is still valuable, but it just made sense to shift accounts.  I’m sure the first guy was bummed out.  My Business Administration prof. says he has done it and gave the guy a few days to get his head around it.  It was how he responded on the job that that was important, not that he left the office waving the company pom-poms.  Well, I’m that first guy.  Judge me by how I come out of this. 

 

Fan:  Don’t give me this real life crap.  You are football player – a kid, not an adult.  I expect more from you.  And by the way, I saw you walking to the water break at practice on Tuesday.  I need to see a little more hustle. 

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Not making any judgements - just passing along info:

Bates did not practice yesterday due to dehydration.  Will not practice today.


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Not making any judgements - just passing along info:

Bates did not practice yesterday due to dehydration.  Will not practice today.




I had heard the same information and that it actually required a hospital visit. It's been a tough week for him!
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Posted: 8/16/2011 12:12 PM
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Judging by the "Eye in the Sky" updates though it seems like he's growing into the role well...

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080911aad.html

"Phil Bates also caught every ball he saw today during one-on-ones. 

Yep, Phil is back on the field.  He was dressed in his gold quarterback jersey but spent most of his practice time with the receivers.  He did take a couple snaps behind center during team drills.  His strength enabled him to fend off defenders in order to bring in a couple passes in traffic.  Phil is a tremendous athlete and will do great regardless of where he is on the field.  It will be interesting to see where he will be utilized on the field closer toward the season."

Sucks that he's missing the scrimmage today...Feel better Phil!

Last Edited: 8/16/2011 1:31:47 PM by Bobcat36
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Seen a twitter the other day from one of our football players that sort of fits into this topic that is all over the charts.  He stated that he would like to see all of the people that make snide remarks about his full ride, join him on this 90 degree day for some workouts.  He is earning his scholarship.

I think it is best to leave it to the coaches to handle and for us to cheer on game day!
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