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Posted: 8/1/2011 5:04 PM
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Want a rational response?  My parents let me decide where to go to college, because it's my education and I wanted to pursue my own goals. 

They knew the reputation, and told me "Just remember who you are, and don't become something you're not."

Simple advice that I've lived by every day since then.  It's called GOOD PARENTING.  My friends that have got themselves in trouble the most?  The ones with parents that tried to hold onto the leash for far too long. 


Thank you Tyler!

Good Lawd...

First...To answer Monroe...ABSOLUTELY!  Mine are 13 and 11 and I hope I'm not influencing them TOO much every time I talk about it or every time we roll into town for a game.

Second...Anyone that puts credence in these rankings is both lazy and gullible.  These things are no different than anything media driven.  It was probably a deserved title long ago but Athens is no different than 90% of other schools it's size.  Well actually it is...It's not only gorgeous but small enough to feel like home and rural enough to be SO much safer than so many other schools.

Like Tyler said, your child is going to get out of school what he / she is capable of.  Anyone fresh out of the nest is going to be drunk on the freedom (yes that was a pun) at first...But the way he / she has been raised is what dictates the long term experience / critical choices.

The Walter's (along with the other notable alumni detailed at the link below) somehow managed to wade through the mountains of beer cans and emerge with diplomas.  I don't think their contributions to society can be questioned...

http://www.ohioalumni.org/notable-alumni

As far as I'm concerned...All I need to see is the way fellow Alum's faces light up when Ohio comes up in conversation.  You don't see that reaction from many Alumni bases and there's a reason for that...


Great smash, 36.

There's no need to get nasty here folks so cool the attack stuff. 

But we do need to be able to differentiate between the headlines and the reality.  Is there more partying at The Ohio University than any other school in the nation?  Could be.  (Animal House wink, here.)  But is that all there is to Athens?  Is every moment of every day nothing but a drunken, lawless brawl?  Are there other campuses with similar partying activity?

Parents who don't investigate the reality, well, that's their missed fortune.  For those of you who'd not let their own offspring attend OHIO, I'll pay for the FedEx charges to return your degree to Athens.

By the way, I graduated in '77 (well, left school then...longer story).  It was the same then as I'm sure it is now:  A fabulOUs place to get an academic and real-life education.

Yes, mention OHIO or see someone wearing OHIO gear any where you go--and how do you feel?  I know how you feel.  That's why you hang OUt on this board.





You've just described about 65% of the American populace.






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Posted: 8/1/2011 5:05 PM
If a prospective student knocks Ohio University off his or her list because of this ranking, the prospective student is an ignorant teetotaler, and I don't want that person attending my school.

If a prospective student chooses Ohio University because of this ranking, the prospective student is an ignorant lush, and I don't want that person attending my school.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 5:05 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
[By the way, I graduated in '77 (well, left school then...longer story).  It was the same then as I'm sure it is now:  A fabulOUs place to get an academic and real-life education.

Yes, mention OHIO or see someone wearing OHIO gear any where you go--and how do you feel?  I know how you feel.  That's why you hang OUt on this board.


'91 & '93 and that was my experience as well...

Just attended the wedding of a great kid I hired straight out of school at Ohio that graduated in 2003...Same story for him as well.  In fact he was one of the hardest working, sharpest Engineers I've ever worked with...
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Posted: 8/1/2011 5:21 PM
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Your parents are the exception, at least in today's culture.   And if I'm not mistaken, our applications have dipped in the past couple of years, as has our yield among applications.  Other state schools have seen significant gains. Bottom line, we're accepting somewhat less qualified candidates to keep our numbers up.  I have a feeling the incessant news stories about fests, party school rankings, etc. aren't helping matters.


Our incoming freshmen average ACT scores and cumulative high school GPA are both above the national average.

And if you talk to college admissions personel, they'll say that more and more high school students are attending schools closer to where they are from, which hurts enrollment numbers at OU. Besides OU and Shawnee State, there are no state schools in Ohio that are very isolated from urban areas.


Actually the admission numbers are pretty steady over the last 10 to 15 years. The size of the freshman class has increased though from 3400 to over 4000. OU would be more selective if it wanted but the whole appeal of going to OU over the private schools is that its larger with more going on than what you would find at Marietta College. OU was back in the day more remote and going there was about getting away from the state. They've grown the enrollment and built Athens into a regional city. The kids that attend by and large are fake and from the suburbs. There is less independent thought and more regional thinking like Columbus kids cheering on Ohio State in an Athens bar. The school has lost its charm.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 5:39 PM
Incoming freshman class is 100 smaller than last year.  Other schools are up big time.


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Posted: 8/1/2011 5:46 PM
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The kids that attend by and large are fake and from the suburbs.


What exactly do you mean by fake? Are you trying to say that our students are robots? What exactly is your ideal model of an Ohio University student? 
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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:51 PM
Wes,

In terms of remoteness, it depends on the time period you are talking about.  Back, even before my day as a college student, Athens was very easy to get to.  We had a major east-west rail line on the B&O.  Numerous trains stopped in Athens going each way each day.  There was also north-south traffic, but not as frequently.  Go back far enough and Athens was easy for anyone to get to via train.  When the RR passenger business started its decline in the 1950s, Athens became less accessible via mass transit and the roads were downright the worst in the state.  Then the east-west line was actually ripped up a decade or so ago, and the only RR traffic now is north-south freight on the Norfolk-Southern.  In the last twenty years the roads to Athens in all directions have improved greatly.  Soon with the completion of the Nelsonville Bypass, we'll have four lane roads from Athens north to Columbus and beyond as well as the four-lane Route 32 going east-west.  Should help a lot in getting more folks to Athens on game day.

As an interesting side note, I have somewhere in my old research files, a copy of a story from the 1890s (1897, I believe) about the special excursion trains that were being run by the TO&C RR for Ohio University football games.   
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Posted: 8/1/2011 6:57 PM
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325 students from a population of 20,000 is accurate to within 5 percentage points, the same as most any other survey conducted.

You should probably stop talking.


That's only true if it's a random sample...but this is not. It's like any poll that you would find on the internet. Anyone can vote, and there is probably no security in place that would prevent multiple votes. Presumably, the students who really care about this (and likely want OU to be #1) are the ones that vote. Your average, even-keeled student doesn't care enough to seek out the survey.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:01 PM
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Incoming freshman class is 100 smaller than last year.  Other schools are up big time.


Any proof of this, or are you pulling numbers out of your ass that a lot of posters (including myself) are prone to doing. 

Also, if this is true, I'd say that being the Number 1 party school has little to do with this.  The price of attending school has increased by several percent since I started in 2005-06.  Most young adults that I talk to are attending the branch campuses because it is about half price.  I know for sure that the Chillicothe campus has had a record number of incoming students in the each of the past three years and parking is packed compared to when I went there.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:16 PM
The university announces its recruitment numbers - it's all public. Applications for Athens campus were down for first time in several years. Yield is down slightly.  Undergrad enrollment in Athens is projected to be down slightly. 

BGSU and KSU both had record number of applicants this year.  Not sure of other schools, but OSU's were very high.


 



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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:29 PM
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The university announces its recruitment numbers - it's all public. Applications for Athens campus were down for first time in several years. Yield is down slightly.  Undergrad enrollment in Athens is projected to be down slightly. 

BGSU and KSU both had record number of applicants this year.  Not sure of other schools, but OSU's were very high.


At the same time, though, I've heard that our online and regional campus numbers are WAY up. At the end of the day, revenue is revenue. The university is making a major push towards online learning. While some may not agree with that, it is a way to make some $ in a tough economy.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:33 PM
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Have you heard of the phenomenon of "helicopter" parenting?  Mothers are calling their kids to wake them up for morning classes...they're texting with their sons/daughters throughout the day.  Parents are calling professors to ask about test scores.  


Yesterday I was having a conversation about "the kids today" with some young, urban professionals and I was told there are stories that parents are now accompanying their children to job interviews... jobs after college. Seriously. And they're not waiting in the lobby, but actually sitting in during the interview. Oh Generation Text... not only does everyone get a trophy, but your mommy and daddy will perpetually hold your hand...
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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:39 PM
We have family friends whose son is at OSU.  We were going to Columbus in the spring and wanted to stop in and take him to lunch.  I mentioned this to his mother and her response was, "I'll ask him.  I have him call me after every class."




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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:50 PM
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Incoming freshman class is 100 smaller than last year.  Other schools are up big time.




Please clarify: you cite a smaller incoming class here, but then you reference fewer applications below, which I am sure you realize are two entirely different things.  So you are saying that the University, who rejects hundereds of students every year, electively decided to accept 100 fewer students this year, and yet they still turned away applicants, and that decision was not a conscious one at the discretion of the University?

IMHO, the logic doesn't track on that.
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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:52 PM
My intuition tells me that those who think that this is a big problem are those who felt that the Rufus v Brutus event would forever tarnish Ohio's reputation globally.  And the last time I checked, that really only gets brought up here occasionally, and the rest of the world has pretty much forgotten about it. (except those who got a commemorative bottle of my i Dotter IPA to mark the event!)
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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:55 PM
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The university announces its recruitment numbers - it's all public. Applications for Athens campus were down for first time in several years. Yield is down slightly.  Undergrad enrollment in Athens is projected to be down slightly. 

BGSU and KSU both had record number of applicants this year.  Not sure of other schools, but OSU's were very high.


Lets not forget that BGSU, Toledo, Kent, Akron, etc... all have a significant number of commuter students. I have no data to back me up but my intuition is that Ohio has a very small number of commuter students in comparison. That said, it is equally possible that the decline in undergraduate enrollment is due to the overall increase in tuition. Why pay the extra several grand per year to send your kid away to school?
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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:57 PM
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Yesterday I was having a conversation about "the kids today" with some young, urban professionals...


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Posted: 8/1/2011 7:59 PM
As I can recall, the number of apps was down.  The actual incoming freshman class was down by 120 or so.  The latter was due to a lower yield, meaning a somewhat smaller percentage of applicants who were accepted actually decided to enroll.






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Posted: 8/1/2011 8:20 PM
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My intuition tells me that those who think that this is a big problem are those who felt that the Rufus v Brutus event would forever tarnish Ohio's reputation globally.  And the last time I checked, that really only gets brought up here occasionally, and the rest of the world has pretty much forgotten about it. (except those who got a commemorative bottle of my i Dotter IPA to mark the event!)


Maybe.  But I'm guessing the parents who heard today's national ABC radio news report at 6 p.m. won't be urging their high schoolers to go apply to OU.

The story in 3 parts:

Ohio U #1 party school

Ranked in top 10 every year since 1997

School implementing programs to combat alcohol abuse on campus.


Bottom line:  It depicted a school with a serious problem.  Is it true?  Not really (in my opinion).  But from a marketing standpoint, this news story couldn't have been much worse. What I don't understand is why the admin. doesn't aggressively counter this annual "honor."  A creative marketing program could redefine what a true "party" school really is - one where students are passionate about their education and social experiences, where they get good jobs, and never want to stop coming back to visit.  If that's your definition of a party school, then we're guilty.



 
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Posted: 8/1/2011 8:49 PM
I'm not laughing!  I agree with SBH and OhioCatFan 100%.  I do believe that the partying at Ohio is not any different than any other school!  However, through the years I have been "hammered" with this crap about being a party school.  I just don't see why it is so damn important to get this ranking.  I worked in education for 30 years and "recruited" any time I could to get kids interested in attending Ohio.  I am a proud alum.  I cannot tell you how many times kids, parents, and the guidance counselor told about the party reputation OU has!  It makes me sick!!!  I cannot tell you how many kids should have gone and never did because of the reputation.  It didn't help when the guidance counselor filled them in as well.  I found out when a friend of mine texted me today and told me of the #1 ranking.  I get drilled constantly from friends because I show my pride and then I get blasted!!  I am totally sick of it!!  For those of you laughing, think again, because I've seen the results of these things first hand.  Our school system isn't that big - how many more potential students are lost at every other school just in Ohio? 
Blast me if you want but it has been a sore subject with me for a long time and I was no angel when in school.  It is "bad, damaging" information to our university!!  Oh, and I can't wait until I see all my other friends!
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Posted: 8/1/2011 9:01 PM
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What I don't understand is why the admin. doesn't aggressively counter this annual "honor."  A creative marketing program could redefine what a true "party" school really is - one where students are passionate about their education and social experiences, where they get good jobs, and never want to stop coming back to visit.  If that's your definition of a party school, then we're guilty.


I've wondered for a year or two why the university doesn't go one step further (or "farther"? I always get this one confused...) and create academic programs that can use the "party school" perception as an advantage. Viticulture, brewing, etc.....booze is both science and art, which fits as much within the liberal education philosophy as other majors we offer.

Take lemons and make electric lemonade.

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Posted: 8/1/2011 9:31 PM
Well before anyone jumps off the Richland Bridge:

August 1, 2011

Dear OHIO Parents and Families,
Today, The Princeton Review released its annual 'party school' rankings list.  I am extremely disappointed that this year OHIO was placed at the #1 spot.  I do not believe that this is an accurate reflection of the OHIO University experience or the sentiment expressed by the majority of our students.    
 
The first thing to note is that this ranking is arbitrary and unscientific.  The information is obtained anonymously from students via an electronic survey.  The survey respondents total only 122,000 of the 12.1 million students enrolled in public or private 4-year institutions across the country.  According to The Princeton Review, each campus is likely to have as few as 300 student respondents.  In our case, that equates to less than 1.5% of our student population.
 
In a release from The Princeton Review, you can see details about how they arrive at the rankings they have publicized, http://www.princetonreview.com/college/college-rankings.aspx.  
 
Though Ohio University has received notoriety from some large, off-campus street-festivals, we continue to work closely with the City of Athens to minimize the dangerous behavior that may occur.  As I have repeatedly stated to each student who enrolls at Ohio University, students are accountable for their behavior both on and off campus.  It is also important to note that more than half of all the arrests that take place at these street festivals are students from other universities who come to Athens to visit and partake in this behavior.

Ohio University does not tolerate high-risk or underage drinking behaviors.  Each year students make choices that cause them to be suspended for alcohol or drug violations of our Code of Conduct. The Princeton Review can create a false sense that we are not concerned or do not hold students accountable.  It is important for you to know that we are concerned about this high-risk behavior and continue to proactively address and respond to the consequences of this behavior.   

This data is not representative of our students. Other research efforts by Ohio University, such as our Alcohol and Other Drug survey and our Student Involvement Study, have shown recent decreases in the incidence of alcohol consumption.
Additionally, the Princeton Review ranking can overshadow the many efforts we have undertaken on campus to educate students about the dangers of high-risk behavior.  Several of these initiatives are listed below:
  • Since 2005, we require a mandatory alcohol education program (AlcoholEdu) for all incoming new students.
  • We provide peer-to-peer education through Greek Life organizations, Learning Communities, first-year seminars, and in the residence halls
  • We continue to be involved in a social media campaign entitled "Stop at the Buzz," which focuses on harm reduction and education. 
  • We have implemented a strict two-strike alcohol policy for those who use alcohol in an illegal or irresponsible manner. This includes parental notification for those under the age of 21. 
  • We conduct an Alcohol and Other Drug (AOD) survey every two years to gain information about high-risk behaviors of our students. 
  • Beginning this fall, we will increase our judicial fines/fees for alcohol and other drug infractions from $100 to up to $200-250.
  • Beginning this fall, for each alcohol or drug offense, students found in violation will be mandated to complete hours of service to the Ohio University and/or Athens community.   
As a result of these initiatives, I'm pleased to report that we have seen significant positive progress in the behavior of our students, including:
  • A 49% decrease in the number of alcohol-related judicial violations since 2005-06.
  • A 18% decrease in the number of first-year students who report high-risk drinking behaviors since 2007.
  • An 8% decrease in the number of overall students who report high-risk drinking behavior since 2007. 
We have made significant progress in changing the culture at Ohio University. The Princeton Review ranking does not reflect this progress or the expectations we have of our students. Please support our continued efforts by using this opportunity to have an honest conversation regarding high-risk behaviors with your sons and/or daughters.

I appreciate your continued support of our efforts, and our collective role in helping to promote an excellent experience for all Ohio University students.
 
Sincerely,
 
Ryan Lombardi
Dean of Students
   
The University can't do anything to control an unscientific, arbitrary survey completed by random college students across the country, but they can attempt to change the culture, and have.  I doubt the students rating us this high know any of the info above, and honestly I think it is pretty shallow for those here to pile on and assume the U has done nothing. 
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Posted: 8/1/2011 9:44 PM
 A brief excerpt from their statement on their "research" methodology:

"So how do we do it? First, we notify our administrative contacts at the schools we’d like to survey. We depend upon these contacts for assistance either in informing the student body of our online survey, or, if the school opts for a paper version, in identifying common, high-traffic areas on campus at which to survey students, and to help us make any necessary arrangements as required by campus policies. In recent years, an increasing number of schools have chosen to send an e-mail to the entire student body about the availability of the online survey; in some cases this has yielded astonishing response rates."

They do say later that they have a way to prevent a single student from voting twice, but I wonder how foolproof that system is.  However, it's immaterial because their methodology is hopeless flawed with its "self-selection" issues.  In this case the results are not necessarily representative of even Ohio University students, let alone the total population of students at the surveyed schools.  In a word, this survey is total junk.  It has all the validity of MSNBC, Fox News, or ESPN online poll.  These organizations, though, go to great pains to tell you when they are reporting online poll results versus polls they have conducted using scientific methodology.  Shame on Princeton Review for not being as transparent.


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Posted: 8/1/2011 9:54 PM
child please. I think people are over reacting a bit. Reading these comments reminds me ofChris Rock's take on the OJ verdict- "black people too happy, white people too mad." There's really no reason to get too excited or too upset about this poll.

OU students don't party any harder than other college students, they just party better. 95% of the people that do stupid stuff or get arrested at Halloween, Palmer fest, etc. are kids from other colleges.

I partied my ass off for 5 years and still graduated cum laude. Not once has having superior social skills and an inate ability to multitask ever impeded my abiitity to obtain gainful employment.  Hiooooooo.
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child please. I think people are over reacting a bit. Reading these comments reminds me ofChris Rock's take on the OJ verdict- "black people too happy, white people too mad." There's really no reason to get too excited or too upset about this poll.

OU students don't party any harder than other college students, they just party better. 95% of the people that do stupid stuff or get arrested at Halloween, Palmer fest, etc. are kids from other colleges.

I partied my ass off for 5 years and still graduated cum laude. Not once has having superior social skills and an inate ability to multitask ever impeded my abiitity to obtain gainful employment.  Hiooooooo.


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