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Posted: 9/16/2011 3:23 PM
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We talked to Ohio head athletic trainer John Bowman about the make-up of a human knee, and we asked about the condition of Ohio LB Eric Benjamin. What we found out was pretty astounding.

Full interview here: http://woub.org/2011/09/16/ohiomd-john-bowman-teaches-you...
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Posted: 9/16/2011 3:43 PM
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Eric is a team leader and yeah thats pretty damn heroic!
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Posted: 9/16/2011 3:51 PM
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Just listened to the whole thing...wow.  Guy puts up with a lot of pain.  Can't deny that he is a passionate player and a passionate teammate.  Glad to have someone like that on our team.
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Posted: 9/16/2011 4:17 PM
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At the risk of sounding snobbish, I'm uncomfortable with the word "heroic" being used in sports.
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Posted: 9/16/2011 6:15 PM
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JSF wrote:expand_more
At the risk of sounding snobbish, I'm uncomfortable with the word "heroic" being used in sports.


That sounded snobbish.

My definition of heroic is courage and self sacrifice.

Of course there are many different degrees of heroism.

My uncle ran away from home and tried to join the Army before he was 16.  He was of course sent back... but then when he joined was killed two weeks before the war was over. He was 19 years old. He's my hero.....but Benjamin in his own time and space and situation is also a hero.
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Posted: 9/16/2011 7:10 PM
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At the risk of sounding snobbish, I'm uncomfortable with the word "heroic" being used in sports.


Agreed Dragon.  It's not snobbish Dragon, it's reality.  It's a game.  It's not a matter of life and death.  We throw the word "hero" around too much if you ask me.
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Posted: 9/16/2011 10:25 PM
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January 1982 - Kiss performs "A World Without Heroes" on Solid Gold

September 1983 - Kiss goes unmasked on MTV, their first official appearance without makeup since the early 1970s

March 2011 - Bobcat Dragon becomes JSF, shedding his face-painter persona

September 2011 - JSF decries the cheapening of the term "hero"

The cycle is complete.

Eric Benjamin is the new Dennis Thompson. With the bum wheel and all.
Last Edited: 9/16/2011 10:29:48 PM by PutnamField
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Posted: 9/16/2011 11:54 PM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
At the risk of sounding snobbish, I'm uncomfortable with the word "heroic" being used in sports.


Agreed Dragon.  It's not snobbish Dragon, it's reality.  It's a game.  It's not a matter of life and death.  We throw the word "hero" around too much if you ask me.

he·ro

noun /ˈhi(ə)rō/ 
heroes, plural

    • A person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities
      • - a war hero
    • The chief male character in a book, play, or movie, who is typically identified with good qualities, and with whom the reader is expected to sympathize
       
    • (in mythology and folklore) A person of superhuman qualities and often semidivine origin, in particular one of those whose exploits and dealings with the gods were the subject of ancient Greek myths and legends

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    Personally, I think those who somehow think you can only use hero for some firefighter or 9/11 hero are the ones who misuse the word. JMO. Now soldier, yes, that is misused Mr. Winslow. (I agree the degrees of "Herohood" vary, with those who put their lives at risk deserving more praise.)
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Posted: 9/17/2011 12:21 AM
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Words are funny things.  They mean whatever people think they mean, and they change over time.  I do agree that this has cheapened the word to some extent, but I also agree that such things come in degrees, if you will, and those can be somewhat fluid (ex: there are plenty of folks who have served our country I wouldn't consider heroes in any way to go along with the many I would).
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Posted: 9/17/2011 12:46 AM
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Sorry, guys, I did a poor job expressing myself. I don't mean to say it's wrong to use the word "heroic," or that anybody who uses is it is wrong... heck, I've done it myself. I guess I'm just not sure, and if Alan is the only one who is against it, I'll rethink my position.
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Posted: 9/17/2011 12:50 AM
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Well its at least bad ass. End of argument
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Posted: 9/17/2011 1:29 AM
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Well its at least bad ass. End of argument
Very true. And going inside baseball here, I'm betting because of who posted this I know why they chose the word, "heroic." As usual with this board, we're probably overthinking things (wouldn't have it any other way!).
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Posted: 9/17/2011 7:48 AM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
At the risk of sounding snobbish, I'm uncomfortable with the word "heroic" being used in sports.


Agreed Dragon.  It's not snobbish Dragon, it's reality.  It's a game.  It's not a matter of life and death.  We throw the word "hero" around too much if you ask me.


+1.  Athletics are fun to participate in and are good entertainment.  I don't see it as couragious, or noble to test yourself against others through sport. It is fun, or a means to an education, or a living.  I am not really sure if being the best at running, throwing, catching or hitting come in as outstanding achievement.  I am a fan of sports, just have a different place in my heart for; noble, couragious and outstanding achievement.
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Posted: 9/17/2011 9:25 AM
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"A person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities

Note that this definition is not limited by saying that a person can only be "heroic" if what they are doing is for a cause that we agree is worthwhile. It simply refers to that person's courage and personal qualities.  Those that don't want to apply the word "heroic" to Benjamin are reluctant apparently because they don't think the cause is worthwhile. I think that this is a misuse of the term. For example, if one does not agree with war, does that mean that no warrior can ever be heroic?

I think that in order to evaluate whether a given person's behavior is "heroic" we have to be willing to use that person's values as well as that person's pain. By that measure Benjamin's behavior would certainly qualify as heroic because he is willing to sacrifice much, and endure much in order to accomplish his goals. I think that some here are entitled to hold the opinion that his behavior is foolish, if they don't share his values, but that is separate question from whether it is heroic.
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Posted: 9/17/2011 1:37 PM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
"A person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities

Note that this definition is not limited by saying that a person can only be "heroic" if what they are doing is for a cause that we agree is worthwhile. It simply refers to that person's courage and personal qualities.  Those that don't want to apply the word "heroic" to Benjamin are reluctant apparently because they don't think the cause is worthwhile. I think that this is a misuse of the term. For example, if one does not agree with war, does that mean that no warrior can ever be heroic?

I think that in order to evaluate whether a given person's behavior is "heroic" we have to be willing to use that person's values as well as that person's pain. By that measure Benjamin's behavior would certainly qualify as heroic because he is willing to sacrifice much, and endure much in order to accomplish his goals. I think that some here are entitled to hold the opinion that his behavior is foolish, if they don't share his values, but that is separate question from whether it is heroic.


A+ For a clear, concise explanation of the question before us. 
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