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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:40 PM
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If he is fired, which I kind of doubt, will he be able to get a good job since he’s a coach with an amazing record at NW? Depending on what else comes out, he would be damaged goods but that doesn’t matter at all nowadays.

He has now been fired. I doubt anyone will hire him, at least, not for a number of years.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/northwest... /
I feel like it is reaching the point that his chances of eventually getting another job would have been better if he'd owned it rather that denying any knowledge.

So some of you might be able to provide a better perspective but I quit playing organized sports when I was about 12 which was still the 1980s so I wasn't playing where people took it pretty seriously. It was also a time when journalists started reporting hazing practices. At the time coaches seemed indignant about it and seemed to think hazing was an important part of team bonding. I can't comprehend how it could do anything but damage team unity. I never experienced it so I might not have the best informed opinion but I JUST DON'T GET HOW IT EVER BECAME A THING AT ALL. Why? Just Why? In pro sports you still have rookies expected to carry bags on road trips. I don't understand how even that could benefit the team.
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:01 PM
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He has now been fired. I doubt anyone will hire him, at least, not for a number of years.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/northwest... /
Wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA keeps him from getting hired on the D1 level anytime soon. NWern should get dinged big time for lack of institutional control, too. This couldn't have gone on as long as it did without somebody higher up covering it up.No post-season for the rest of the decade and a big cut in schollies should be just the start. One benefit of the portal -- players can transfer out without losing a lot of eligibility at a program that won't be going anywhere for quite a while.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:10 AM
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If he is fired, which I kind of doubt, will he be able to get a good job since he’s a coach with an amazing record at NW? Depending on what else comes out, he would be damaged goods but that doesn’t matter at all nowadays.
I think that's all going to depend on how he handles the backlash. Art Briles stood firm on his ground during the Baylor scandal and colleges won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. If Fitzgerald truly believes he did nothing wrong, had no knowledge and couldn't control his program, I highly doubt he gets another shot elsewhere.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:37 AM
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If he is fired, which I kind of doubt, will he be able to get a good job since he’s a coach with an amazing record at NW? Depending on what else comes out, he would be damaged goods but that doesn’t matter at all nowadays.
I think that's all going to depend on how he handles the backlash. Art Briles stood firm on his ground during the Baylor scandal and colleges won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. If Fitzgerald truly believes he did nothing wrong, had no knowledge and couldn't control his program, I highly doubt he gets another shot elsewhere.
We will have to see how people reconcile the report which says the coaches didn’t know about the hazing and accusations from previous players saying he had to know. Pat may have some legal grounds that he was not actively involved-that’s what the report says I think. I’m guessing some kind of settlement on his remaining salary. Depends on how long NW wants it to be hanging around. If Pat gets a fair amount of money, he can lay low for a while- he’s not going to starve to death.
I’m still seeing college coaches with pretty rough storylines ( see Patino, Petrino, Sark etc) ending up okay. Not saying these accusations are equivalent in any way but.,,,
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:10 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
If he is fired, which I kind of doubt, will he be able to get a good job since he’s a coach with an amazing record at NW? Depending on what else comes out, he would be damaged goods but that doesn’t matter at all nowadays.
I think that's all going to depend on how he handles the backlash. Art Briles stood firm on his ground during the Baylor scandal and colleges won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. If Fitzgerald truly believes he did nothing wrong, had no knowledge and couldn't control his program, I highly doubt he gets another shot elsewhere.
We will have to see how people reconcile the report which says the coaches didn’t know about the hazing and accusations from previous players saying he had to know. Pat may have some legal grounds that he was not actively involved-that’s what the report says I think. I’m guessing some kind of settlement on his remaining salary. Depends on how long NW wants it to be hanging around. If Pat gets a fair amount of money, he can lay low for a while- he’s not going to starve to death.
I’m still seeing college coaches with pretty rough storylines ( see Patino, Petrino, Sark etc) ending up okay. Not saying these accusations are equivalent in any way but.,,,
Sure, but there's a big difference here: Fitzgerald's a completely mediocre coach.

Don't get me wrong, Northwestern's a tough job. But he's basically a .500 coach. I don't think he's the sort of guy you go to the PR mat for.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:36 PM
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If he is fired, which I kind of doubt, will he be able to get a good job since he’s a coach with an amazing record at NW? Depending on what else comes out, he would be damaged goods but that doesn’t matter at all nowadays.
I think that's all going to depend on how he handles the backlash. Art Briles stood firm on his ground during the Baylor scandal and colleges won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. If Fitzgerald truly believes he did nothing wrong, had no knowledge and couldn't control his program, I highly doubt he gets another shot elsewhere.
We will have to see how people reconcile the report which says the coaches didn’t know about the hazing and accusations from previous players saying he had to know. Pat may have some legal grounds that he was not actively involved-that’s what the report says I think. I’m guessing some kind of settlement on his remaining salary. Depends on how long NW wants it to be hanging around. If Pat gets a fair amount of money, he can lay low for a while- he’s not going to starve to death.
I’m still seeing college coaches with pretty rough storylines ( see Patino, Petrino, Sark etc) ending up okay. Not saying these accusations are equivalent in any way but.,,,
Sure, but there's a big difference here: Fitzgerald's a completely mediocre coach.


Don't get me wrong, Northwestern's a tough job. But he's basically a .500 coach. I don't think he's the sort of guy you go to the PR mat for.
I think you’re jerking my chain as I’ve said above that I think he is mediocre, but LC, a much more astute observer of the game says he’s done an amazing job because it’s NW. he’s already in the College Football Hall of Fame. Time will tell.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 1:04 PM
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If he is fired, which I kind of doubt, will he be able to get a good job since he’s a coach with an amazing record at NW? Depending on what else comes out, he would be damaged goods but that doesn’t matter at all nowadays.
I think that's all going to depend on how he handles the backlash. Art Briles stood firm on his ground during the Baylor scandal and colleges won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. If Fitzgerald truly believes he did nothing wrong, had no knowledge and couldn't control his program, I highly doubt he gets another shot elsewhere.
We will have to see how people reconcile the report which says the coaches didn’t know about the hazing and accusations from previous players saying he had to know. Pat may have some legal grounds that he was not actively involved-that’s what the report says I think. I’m guessing some kind of settlement on his remaining salary. Depends on how long NW wants it to be hanging around. If Pat gets a fair amount of money, he can lay low for a while- he’s not going to starve to death.
I’m still seeing college coaches with pretty rough storylines ( see Patino, Petrino, Sark etc) ending up okay. Not saying these accusations are equivalent in any way but.,,,
Sure, but there's a big difference here: Fitzgerald's a completely mediocre coach.


Don't get me wrong, Northwestern's a tough job. But he's basically a .500 coach. I don't think he's the sort of guy you go to the PR mat for.
I think you’re jerking my chain as I’ve said above that I think he is mediocre, but LC, a much more astute observer of the game says he’s done an amazing job because it’s NW. he’s already in the College Football Hall of Fame. Time will tell.
I predict he ends up at Akron as soon as the current coach -- Joe Moorhead -- bolts for the P5. Sounds like a perfect match to me.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 1:27 PM
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Sure, but there's a big difference here: Fitzgerald's a completely mediocre coach.
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I know that you are in the "all coaching situations are fungible" camp, but how do you explain, as an example, that Ara Parseghian was only a .500 coach at Northwestern, yet miraculously (apparently), suddenly began to win 85% of his games when he moved to Notre Dame? How do you explain that Dennis Green was only able to win 18% of his games at Northwestern, yet won nearly half his games at Stanford, then 61% of his games with the Vikings?

Personally, I think that any coach that can win half his games at Northwestern would win 75-80% of his games almost anywhere else. I guess we'll have to just disagree.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 2:54 PM
I reject the "it's impossible to win in football at NW, Vandy, Duke, etc.

James Franklin was at Vandy three seasons and went to bowls all three. Had back to back nine win seasons. Had wins over Auburn, Tennessee (twice), Georgia, Florida, etc

In the last ten years, Duke has had some 9 wins seasons and a 10 win season.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 4:02 PM
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I reject the "it's impossible to win in football at NW, Vandy, Duke, etc.

James Franklin was at Vandy three seasons and went to bowls all three. Had back to back nine win seasons. Had wins over Auburn, Tennessee (twice), Georgia, Florida, etc

In the last ten years, Duke has had some 9 wins seasons and a 10 win season.

No one ever said it was impossible, only that it was more difficult, and that it takes an unusually good coach to do so. Parseghian did win an Northwestern, but he won a lot more at Notre Dame. Barnett did have some good seasons at Northwestern. He had more at Colorado. If Fitzgerald were to be hired by, say, Ohio State, do you honestly believe that he would only win 55% of his games? If so, that goes a long way towards explaining why coaching salaries are so high.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 4:29 PM
So Fitzgerald has come out swinging and told his agent and his newly appointed attorney “To protect my rights in accordance with the law”
Not going down quietly. I’m guessing He’ll get a lot of his contracted salary.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:22 PM
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So Fitzgerald has come out swinging and told his agent and his newly appointed attorney “To protect my rights in accordance with the law”
Not going down quietly. I’m guessing He’ll get a lot of his contracted salary.
Which, depending on who you believe because NW is a private school, is upwards of $50M owed to him. He signed an extension after making the Big Ten title game in 2020.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:47 PM
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So Fitzgerald has come out swinging and told his agent and his newly appointed attorney “To protect my rights in accordance with the law”
Not going down quietly. I’m guessing He’ll get a lot of his contracted salary.
Has he hired the firm of Jack, Daniels & Moneysmith out of Morgantown, West "By God" Virginia? I hear that they are in high demand by coaches who are in hot water.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:25 PM
I feel he has a pretty good case. Report came out, which all parties said was fairly administered, and said that he was unaware of the events but should have been aware. Also, the school then handed down a punishment that was accepted. Only after public pressure mounted (not new information uncovered), he was dismissed 'with cause'. This seems like he should still be paid the agreed upon contract.
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Posted: 7/12/2023 6:54 AM
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I feel he has a pretty good case. Report came out, which all parties said was fairly administered, and said that he was unaware of the events but should have been aware. Also, the school then handed down a punishment that was accepted. Only after public pressure mounted (not new information uncovered), he was dismissed 'with cause'. This seems like he should still be paid the agreed upon contract.
There's an article in today's The Record by Mike Freeman of USA Today about racism with NW's football program in the late 2000's .

The Record won't let you link the article, but if you google "mike freeman usa today" it comes up
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Posted: 7/12/2023 12:38 PM
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If he is fired, which I kind of doubt, will he be able to get a good job since he’s a coach with an amazing record at NW? Depending on what else comes out, he would be damaged goods but that doesn’t matter at all nowadays.
I think that's all going to depend on how he handles the backlash. Art Briles stood firm on his ground during the Baylor scandal and colleges won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. If Fitzgerald truly believes he did nothing wrong, had no knowledge and couldn't control his program, I highly doubt he gets another shot elsewhere.
We will have to see how people reconcile the report which says the coaches didn’t know about the hazing and accusations from previous players saying he had to know. Pat may have some legal grounds that he was not actively involved-that’s what the report says I think. I’m guessing some kind of settlement on his remaining salary. Depends on how long NW wants it to be hanging around. If Pat gets a fair amount of money, he can lay low for a while- he’s not going to starve to death.
I’m still seeing college coaches with pretty rough storylines ( see Patino, Petrino, Sark etc) ending up okay. Not saying these accusations are equivalent in any way but.,,,
Sure, but there's a big difference here: Fitzgerald's a completely mediocre coach.


Don't get me wrong, Northwestern's a tough job. But he's basically a .500 coach. I don't think he's the sort of guy you go to the PR mat for.
I think you’re jerking my chain as I’ve said above that I think he is mediocre, but LC, a much more astute observer of the game says he’s done an amazing job because it’s NW. he’s already in the College Football Hall of Fame. Time will tell.
Fitzgerald had done an amazing job at one of the toughest schools in the country.
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Posted: 7/12/2023 2:28 PM
Dr. Strauss, Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nassar, now this. Amazing how this stuff keeps happening at B10 schools.
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Posted: 7/12/2023 3:06 PM
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Dr. Strauss, Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nassar, now this. Amazing how this stuff keeps happening at B10 schools.
I knew in a very general way about the MSU situation many years before it came to light. Several physicians at OU-COM (now OU-HCOM) attended a continuing medical education workshop at MSU conducted by Dr. Nassar. They left in the middle of the presentation because of what one of the physicians termed "unnecessary nudity" as well as some other slides that would not be appropriate to describe on this family-friendly site. Now, if physicians, who view nude bodies as part of their days work, are offended, you know it was bad. My point is that others must have noticed the same thing at about the same time and action could have been taken then that would have saved MSU from the national institutional embarrassment later on.
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Posted: 7/12/2023 4:49 PM
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Dr. Strauss, Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nassar, now this. Amazing how this stuff keeps happening at B10 schools.
I knew in a very general way about the MSU situation many years before it came to light. Several physicians at OU-COM (now OU-HCOM) attended a continuing medical education workshop at MSU conducted by Dr. Nassar. They left in the middle of the presentation because of what one of the physicians termed "unnecessary nudity" as well as some other slides that would not be appropriate to describe on this family-friendly site. Now, if physicians, who view nude bodies as part of their days work, are offended, you know it was bad. My point is that others must have noticed the same thing at about the same time and action could have been taken then that would have saved MSU from the national institutional embarrassment later on.
Why did you not report this? And as fellow physician's I believe they would be bound as mandatory reporters.
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Posted: 7/13/2023 12:20 AM
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Dr. Strauss, Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nassar, now this. Amazing how this stuff keeps happening at B10 schools.
I knew in a very general way about the MSU situation many years before it came to light. Several physicians at OU-COM (now OU-HCOM) attended a continuing medical education workshop at MSU conducted by Dr. Nassar. They left in the middle of the presentation because of what one of the physicians termed "unnecessary nudity" as well as some other slides that would not be appropriate to describe on this family-friendly site. Now, if physicians, who view nude bodies as part of their day's work, are offended, you know it was bad. My point is that others must have noticed the same thing at about the same time and action could have been taken then that would have saved MSU from the national institutional embarrassment later on.
Why did you not report this? And as fellow physician's I believe they would be bound as mandatory reporters.
I have no idea what the physicians involved reported or didn't report at that time. If they did report it, what they said was ignored. I was not at this meeting. I am not a physician. I was an administrator at the medical school. All I know is that when they came back from the CME conference at MSU one of the physicians told me what had happened and another one who was present during the conversation confirmed it. What I'm suggesting is that if these OU-COM physicians had this experience, those at MSU must have been aware even back then of Dr. Nassar's weird behavior. This one presentation at a CME conference was undoubtedly not the only time he did things of this nature that were observed by other physicians and other folks at MSU. I'm afraid that this might be one more example of the medical profession not doing a good job of self-policing. I will say that within OU-COM at the time we had a dean (the late Frank Myers, D.O.) who was very good at throwing out the bad wood. I know of several examples where Dr. Myers took it upon himself to summarily fire physicians who had engaged in problematic behavior. Not all medical schools were so fortunate.
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