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Posted: 10/25/2011 7:30 AM
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Ban me for what? It's not like I only post negative stuff, and this stuff is public record for a reason. Actually, I'm pretty sure Paul Graham's user name violates the terms of service. Unless Snoop the former Atlanta Hawk is doing yoga in Ewane Nanji's basement.


This is a non-issue. I've already mentioned my real name on another thread: Dontrell Flenorl-Hookfin the 3'rd.


I am considering changing my name to Wolfgang Kratzenberg

http://www.fanbase.com/Wolfgang-Kratzenberg
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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:20 AM
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Carl Jones' domestic violence charge, which was mysteriously dropped, is also on my radar screen.


If the charge was dropped why would it be on your radar screen? It was dropped for a reason why bring it up? We dont need fans like this. 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 1:54 PM
If people are going to storm me with insults and ask questions about what I've posted, I guess I'll try to defend myself and explain things again:

Ohio Pilot wrote:expand_more
Carl Jones' domestic violence charge, which was mysteriously dropped, is also on my radar screen.


If the charge was dropped why would it be on your radar screen? It was dropped for a reason why bring it up? We dont need fans like this.


It was probably dropped because the alleged victim decided not to testify.

The issue of an inordinate amount of Ohio football players or coaches getting into legal trouble was a national news story several years ago. It mattered to people who wanted the university to be well represented and who were concerned that the push to go "big time" was having unintended consequences and bringing extra baggage.

After the media hype about the pattern of problems circa 2005-2007 died down, there have continued to be some crazy incidents (A.J. Oxley, Melvin Payne, Kyle Kozak) and some others that were less insane but that would have been reported just as sports stories if this town had a real media presence (for example, Kyle Snyder showing up in jail with an apparently broken nose during the summer competition for the starting QB position).

You do know that we temporarily lost our starting QB during the stretch drive last season due to a bar fight, right?

I will continue to expose incidents and active warrants in the limited way that I can because of my beliefs that:

a) The team will perform better and attract better people if there's some sense of accountability.

b) I don't want my hometown to go downhill and be like a smaller version of Huntington. 

Unlike with "non-revenue" sports, we as Ohio taxpayers are footing the bill for athletic scholarships in football and basketball.

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We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I'm sure his lawyer has made some arrangement to keep him out of trouble.


In the cases of Harden, Jones, Oxley, Kozak and Boo Jackson, Bob Toy of Athens was the defense attorney. Bob Toy is not a public defender. He's one of the better criminal defense lawyers for hire in this area. Some or most of these players would have trouble affording Bob Toy under normal circumstances. So what's the abnormal circumstance?  

Any follow-up, Pataskala, on what "arrangement" Bob Toy has made?

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... He doesnt have the money to pay a piddly FINE that is why he has been avoiding it ... I could understand if it was a serious charge of some sort ...


It's amazing that, in your conception of the judicial system, DUI is a minor charge and if you don't have the money you can just skip out on dealing with it.

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Is your IQ > 80?

So Snoop is the only Bobcat alum with the name Paul Graham?

Amazing at some of the idiotic posts here. Not sure anyone can top Putnam though. Wonder if he actually graduated.


Mr. Jerry, God love you, I know you're trying.

I've graduated twice from Ohio University. The old IQ is much closer to (2 x 80) than it is to 80, and there are plenty of other intelligent people on this message board. 

Stop swinging wildly.




 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 2:47 PM
If I recall correctly most of the players in the Dispatch story from 2006 were Knorr recruits.  That suggests it was not the push to go "big time" that led to those offenses.  Now, the fanfare around FS's hiring may have led to the attention on those offenses.  However, as Putnam says, more attention can be a positive, for accountability.

It's always important to ask what Ohio might want to do differently to help improve discipline and proper behavior.  One dimension is disciplinary policy.  But, Ohio's policy is already as tough as they come.  At other universities, players can get DUIs and miss only one game.  Here, like Harden, they miss half a season.

Another dimension is recruiting.  Should Ohio recruit "character" more?  I wonder, though, how you'd measure character.  And I wonder what we'd find if in addition to reading negative headlines, we also tracked how many Ohio players come from maybe "questionable" backgrounds but use the experience at Ohio University, both academically and athletically, to learn how to be solid citizens.  And then go on to help their communities.  How many of those are there?  And how many of those does take to make it worth the risk to give these students an opportunity?
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Posted: 10/25/2011 6:28 PM
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Fumbles aside, it's an utter embarassment that OUr starting running back has had an active arrest warrant in Athens County for more than one year:

http://docket.webxsol.com/athens/Last.jsp?Case_id=2010TRC00742&selection=D&type=t


No offense taken Putnam.....just don't look my name up on either docket....haha.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 8:22 PM
I don't have any problem with PF's posts on public record information on players.  It's not my style, but I understand his motives and support his right to inform us in this manner.  And, I will grudgingly admit that he might have had some positive effect on Ohio football recruiting.  I remember a year or two ago when Frank made a statement, I think it might have been on LOI day, that he was now emphasizing recruiting players with good academic backgrounds.  He then implied that he no longer was going to be as open as he had in the past with giving players of questionable backgrounds a "second chance" at Ohio.  This was all said with typical "coach speak," but that was how I interpreted it.  Perhaps, PF's efforts had some influence on this change of approach.  If so, I applaud it.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 8:40 PM
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  Carl Jones' domestic violence charge, which was mysteriously dropped

It was probably dropped because the alleged victim decided not to testify.

You do know that we temporarily lost our starting QB during the stretch drive last season due to a bar fight, right?

We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I'm sure his lawyer has made some arrangement to keep him out of trouble


PF--You just keep digging a deeper hole.  I think that all of the sentences above are quotes from you ??

In every case you take a fact (charge dropped, etc) and WITH NO APPARENT BASIS AT ALL extrapolate the worst possible meaning/consequence therefrom.  From this you build your case of doom.

That's absurd.  Totally unreasonable

I could as well take those facts and show why our guys are angels.  For instance, police dropped charges because they realized that the one arrested was actually the victim.  Based on the facts, my conclusion is as reasonable as the conclusions which you draw.  Yup, I'm absolutely speculating with no basis in fact and assuming the best....as you're absolutely speculating and assuming the worst.

In this thread, you know what the real problem is?

You.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:33 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Fumbles aside, it's an utter embarassment that OUr starting running back has had an active arrest warrant in Athens County for more than one year:

http://docket.webxsol.com/athens/Last.jsp?Case_id=2010TRC00742&selection=D&type=t


No offense taken Putnam.....just don't look my name up on either docket....haha.


      


                     Let's see you dipstick Putnam Field. Do the math, Yes I was born in Scioto County, But my family moved to Athens County when I was 1 and a half years old. I have lived in Athens County for 48 and a half years, Hmmmmm I'm 50,   So you see I have spent nearly my entire life living in Athens County. Figured you being Mr. Fact's Guy you would of known that.  Got an inside tip for you,  I heard a couple students on the Fencing Team J-walked maybe you better check that out and post something.

       And if you think I'm gonna stand around here and watch you keep dragging these kids name through the mud, You got another thing comin.  Put that in your report !

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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:53 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
  Carl Jones' domestic violence charge, which was mysteriously dropped

It was probably dropped because the alleged victim decided not to testify.

You do know that we temporarily lost our starting QB during the stretch drive last season due to a bar fight, right?

We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I'm sure his lawyer has made some arrangement to keep him out of trouble.


PF--You just keep digging a deeper hole.  I think that all of the sentences above are quotes from you ??

In every case you take a fact (charge dropped, etc) and WITH NO APPARENT BASIS AT ALL extrapolate the worst possible meaning/consequence therefrom.  From this you build your case of doom.

That's absurd.  Totally unreasonable

I could as well take those facts and show why our guys are angels.  For instance, police dropped charges because they realized that the one arrested was actually the victim.  Based on the facts, my conclusion is as reasonable as the conclusions which you draw.  Yup, I'm absolutely speculating with no basis in fact and assuming the best....as you're absolutely speculating and assuming the worst.

In this thread, you know what the real problem is?

You.


You're absurd, Monroe. You didn't/couldn't even accurately pull my quotes. That last quote, which I've highlighted, was written by Pataskala.

Furthermore, you've somehow managed to avoid my salient points and to focus on ... well, whatever one chooses to call your typically rambling, incoherent thoughts.





 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:19 PM
The purpose of this board is to discuss and support our favorite team and our school.  Your need/desire to out everyone to the world works in an opposite manner.   You have been on a perpetual crusade to point out every problem that arises with our coaches and athletes.  It is legal and factual for you to continue doing it.  I just don't agree with your motives.  You are really reaching if you think some anonymous message board poster has the power to change the moral compass of Ohio University.  I think you are a bit of a weasel. 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:42 PM
I think I've just entered the theater of the absurd.  I actually agree with both my friend Gman and PF.  At such times I'm reminded of the famous quote from Emerson: " A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."  That's the best excuse I can think of at the moment. 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:44 PM
G-man, it's fine if you want to come on here and say I'm all wrong. Call me a dick or a pencil-pushing dipstick if you want. That's fine with me. But please don't make threats or statements that could reasonably be interpreted as threats. I lashed out at you because you did that. What county you're from, I must admit, is irrelevant except in the sense of how you might look at crime and the university in Athens. Some good friends of mine have Scioto County roots anyhow.


 
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Posted: 10/25/2011 10:55 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I think I've just entered the theater of the absurd.  I actually agree with both my friend Gman and PF.  At such times I'm reminded of the famous quote from Emerson: " A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."  That's the best excuse I can think of at the moment. 


That's a pretty cool quote.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:14 PM
PF--I specifically stated that I wasn't sure if all that I put up was quoting you.  I'm time crunched and the post which I did the quote function on had lots of quotes interspersed so it was diff to tell what was yours.

As for the personal attacks, you're another simpleton who attacks me because, apparently, incapable of attacking my logic.  Which only reinforces my point about your inability to reason logically.

Too many here mistake a vigorous argument for a personal attack.


My 'you' here, PF, is about the way that, as others note, you proceed...nothing against you personally.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:32 PM
bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
The purpose of this board is to discuss and support our favorite team and our school.  Your need/desire to out everyone to the world works in an opposite manner.   You have been on a perpetual crusade to point out every problem that arises with our coaches and athletes.  It is legal and factual for you to continue doing it.  I just don't agree with your motives.  You are really reaching if you think some anonymous message board poster has the power to change the moral compass of Ohio University.  I think you are a bit of a weasel. 


According to the posting policy, "The purpose of this board is to be a discussion area for Ohio fans."

There's nothing there about support. You added that. It so happens that I have been supporting the basketball and football programs for decades in the manner that I see fit. Mostly, that support takes the same form as everyone else - going to games, listening to radio broadcasts, etc. Obviously, we differ on the relatively small part where I consider myself to be boosting the programs by holding them to a higher standard.

A weasel is defined as "a sneaky, untrustworthy or insincere person" (Merriam-Webster).

Unless you can demonstrate how I am any of those things, I think you are a bit of a dukie butt.
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Posted: 10/26/2011 8:47 AM
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If you repeatedly turn the ball over you should be benched. There are other players who can hang onto the ball and run just as well.


Who? The other running backs have more lost fumbles and less yards per carry.  Who do you suggest they put in at rb?
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Posted: 10/26/2011 9:01 AM
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..... I think you are a bit of a dukie butt.


I do believe Mr. Field has raised the common insult to a new standard with this one.  Common, yes,  Crude, a little.  Magnificently constructed, absolutely,
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Posted: 10/26/2011 9:25 AM
PutnamField wrote:expand_more
A weasel is defined as "a sneaky, untrustworthy or insincere person" (Merriam-Webster).

Unless you can demonstrate how I am any of those things, I think you are a bit of a dukie butt.


I would say you are a bit of all three.  This is like having an argument with my young children.  The only difference is that I believe that they will eventually grow up.
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Posted: 10/26/2011 10:41 AM
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If people are going to storm me with insults and ask questions about what I've posted, I guess I'll try to defend myself and explain things again:

Carl Jones' domestic violence charge, which was mysteriously dropped, is also on my radar screen.


If the charge was dropped why would it be on your radar screen? It was dropped for a reason why bring it up? We dont need fans like this.


It was probably dropped because the alleged victim decided not to testify.

The issue of an inordinate amount of Ohio football players or coaches getting into legal trouble was a national news story several years ago. It mattered to people who wanted the university to be well represented and who were concerned that the push to go "big time" was having unintended consequences and bringing extra baggage.

After the media hype about the pattern of problems circa 2005-2007 died down, there have continued to be some crazy incidents (A.J. Oxley, Melvin Payne, Kyle Kozak) and some others that were less insane but that would have been reported just as sports stories if this town had a real media presence (for example, Kyle Snyder showing up in jail with an apparently broken nose during the summer competition for the starting QB position).

You do know that we temporarily lost our starting QB during the stretch drive last season due to a bar fight, right?

I will continue to expose incidents and active warrants in the limited way that I can because of my beliefs that:

a) The team will perform better and attract better people if there's some sense of accountability.

b) I don't want my hometown to go downhill and be like a smaller version of Huntington. 

Unlike with "non-revenue" sports, we as Ohio taxpayers are footing the bill for athletic scholarships in football and basketball.

We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I'm sure his lawyer has made some arrangement to keep him out of trouble.


In the cases of Harden, Jones, Oxley, Kozak and Boo Jackson, Bob Toy of Athens was the defense attorney. Bob Toy is not a public defender. He's one of the better criminal defense lawyers for hire in this area. Some or most of these players would have trouble affording Bob Toy under normal circumstances. So what's the abnormal circumstance?  

Any follow-up, Pataskala, on what "arrangement" Bob Toy has made?

... He doesnt have the money to pay a piddly FINE that is why he has been avoiding it ... I could understand if it was a serious charge of some sort ...


It's amazing that, in your conception of the judicial system, DUI is a minor charge and if you don't have the money you can just skip out on dealing with it.

Is your IQ > 80?

So Snoop is the only Bobcat alum with the name Paul Graham?

Amazing at some of the idiotic posts here. Not sure anyone can top Putnam though. Wonder if he actually graduated.


Mr. Jerry, God love you, I know you're trying.

I've graduated twice from Ohio University. The old IQ is much closer to (2 x 80) than it is to 80, and there are plenty of other intelligent people on this message board. 

Stop swinging wildly.




 


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Posted: 10/26/2011 11:04 AM
Getting back to the original theme of this thread.  Benching Harden has to be the dumbest post since the one I posted several years ago on the basketball forum about one of our point guards. After observing him for just a few games I came to the premature conclusion that he was probably one of the best in the nation.  I've since forgotten his name.  He used to skip down the court as he dribbled.  He actually couldn't even cut it in the MAC, let alone the greater college basketball world.  Conclusion: It take a stupid poster to recognize a stupid post.  And, this thread is one! 
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Posted: 10/28/2011 12:04 AM
The title of this thread is so wrong.  Harden's really become a player.  If there's a hole, he's through it and it gets fun.
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