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WeAreMarshall
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Posted: 10/15/2011 9:19 PM
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OK, as I said, you are taking the most optimistic possible interpretation of all of this.  Let me edit your "pods" the way I think they will eventually turn out, if this thing survives at all.

Pod 1:

1. Marshall
2. ECU
3. UAB
4. CIncy -- We'll never join, BE will survive.
5. USF -- Same, stay in BE
6. UCF -- Bolt to BE

Pod 2:

1. Houston -- bolt to BE
2. Memphis
3. Tulsa
4. Tulane
5. Southern Miss
6. SMU -- bolt to BE



MWC Side:

Pod 3:

1. Utep
2. Rice
3. New Mexico
4. San Diego State
5. UNLV
6. Hawaii


Pod 4:

1. Boise State -- rumors yesterday had them going to BE, rumors now they're going to B12
2. Air Force -- will bolt to BE
3. Nevada
4. Wyoming
5. Colorado State
6. Fresno State

Now, WAM, if I'm right, who does C-USA fill the empty slots with?  I will admit that this whole thing is very much in flux, and, perhaps, the BE will completely fold, but at this point I think they are going to pick up the schools they are after, with the possible exception of Boise, which really doesn't belong in the BE at all.  The BE may pick up Navy to fill the Boise slot, or they might relieve us of Temple, notwithstanding the Villanova objections.  Now, if that school in Morganhole bolts the BE, who knows, Marshall might get an invite.  Looks of possibilities here.  


If the Big East survives and takes UCF, Houston and SMU I'm hearing the list of possible replacements could include some of the following teams....FIU, Temple, ODU, North Texas, Charlotte, UTSA. Most of the teams listed have actually been mentioned by our AD in radio interviews. These are essentially teams that are located in Big TV markets. That's the direction college football is going. For any team that's currently in CUSA it would cost 7 Million dollars to leave and they couldn't actually start play in the Big East until 2013. Thats a big factor in all of this as well.

The entire key to this is what Missouri does. If Missouri goes to the SEC which is expected then the Big 12 has already stated that Louisville is number one on their list followed up with Cincy and WVU. You take those three schools away, there is no Big East. Its hanging by a thread the way it is now.

If for some reason the Big East is able to survive "without" WVU, Louisville, and Cincy...(which I doubt)....the list of teams they will be able to pull from are very limited. It would likely be schools like Temple, Buffalo, UMass, etc. as they try and rebuild geographically. If Louisville, Cincy and WVU wouldn't be part of the Big East i couldn't imagine Marshall being interested in going there.
Last Edited: 10/15/2011 9:22:02 PM by WeAreMarshall
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Posted: 10/16/2011 12:13 AM
Schedules will be a mess with this merger.     
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Posted: 10/17/2011 2:40 PM
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We are like the Kansas City Bishop who stood by and let a Priest conceal images of Child Pornography on his computer while concealing the knowledge from police for 5 months.


Yes! We are JUST LIKE THAT!

My brain hurts.
Last Edited: 10/17/2011 2:44:03 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Posted: 10/17/2011 3:38 PM
I agree, Brian.  I found that to be an inappropriate and completely out of proportion simile. 
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Posted: 10/17/2011 8:35 PM
Jeff, with all due respect, I find your comment about my post offensive and out of line (as much as Jeff McKinney can be offensive and out of line).

My point was very clear that IMO we are taking no action on conference realignment.

The Kansas City Bishop in question maliciously took no action on a Priest storing child pornography on his computer.

How does the comparison not fit? All documented. All factual.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/kansas-city-mo-bishop...

These people are very very VERY mortal and are not immune from criticism. Just because they wear the cloth doesn't mean they are above the law.
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Posted: 10/17/2011 9:34 PM
I think the problem is that you compared perceived inaction on conference affiliation with heinous, depraved criminal activity.
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Posted: 10/17/2011 9:42 PM
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I think the problem is that you compared perceived inaction on conference affiliation with heinous, depraved criminal activity.


Actually, you are right (sort of). I compared perceived inaction with actual inaction. Not completely apples to apples.
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Posted: 10/17/2011 9:43 PM
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I think the problem is that you compared perceived inaction on conference affiliation with heinous, depraved criminal activity.


Yeah, that is the point I was trying to make.  

It kind of reminds me of one time when I called the MAC office years ago to complain about some scheduling decisions made by the MAC office.  I used the word "tragic" to describe the action.  I then got a verbal dressing down from the person in the MAC office, saying that "tragic" should be reserved for real problems like people starving and being killed, etc.  

That's all, Love.  No offense meant.  
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Posted: 10/17/2011 10:03 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
I think the problem is that you compared perceived inaction on conference affiliation with heinous, depraved criminal activity.


Actually, you are right (sort of). I compared perceived inaction with actual inaction. Not completely apples to apples.


No, JSF is 100% correct.  The analogy was in bad taste and not even close to equal levels.  Having spent the past weekend in KC - your stomping grounds, I can assure you the people there would see the foolishness of the comment.  And even when called on it you can't simply say, "Sorry, I was looking for an outrageous comparison to show how disturbed I am by the MAC."
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Posted: 10/17/2011 10:14 PM
I think most of you will lead much happier lives if you chilled out a bit and learned to see linguistic connections instead of being offended by everything.
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Posted: 10/18/2011 1:50 AM
Another great discussion about conf re-alignment.  Yawn.

Get arse in gear and go see OHIO's best team and entertainment value:  Volleyball + Alumni Band.
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Posted: 10/18/2011 7:12 AM

       Just when I start to forget why I hate ohio state so much despite growing up in the shadow of the horseshoe,  Monroe comes on here and tells us how to be Bobcat fans. Never fails.

Last Edited: 10/18/2011 7:13:04 AM by bobcatsquared
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Posted: 10/18/2011 8:54 AM
I'm sure your 4-year-old does some annoying things every day, too.  Of course, his upside is much greater than the big manz in California.


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Posted: 10/18/2011 1:25 PM
Getting this thread back on track, this proposal, a combined MWC/CUSA is probably the only chance that I can see for Ohio to make a step up. They don't have the fan base for a direct move to conference like the Big East, but they would not be out of place in this kind of conference. When done, this conference will have a much bigger TV contract than the MAC, and therefore a bigger revenue pool. In fact, I expect the TV contract and interest will be significantly greater than the CUSA or MWC deals because on the one hand it will combine regional rivalries, and on the other hand, will spawn nationwide interest.

If the goal it to continue to increase the profile of Ohio football, this is probably the type of conference that would be the best possibility - not all the way to the BCS conferences, but a big step up. That said, there are a lot of different opinions as to what the real goal should be, including some that believe the football program should move the other way. My only comments are towards the viability of this, and not as to what Ohio should or should not do.
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Posted: 10/18/2011 7:56 PM


When is this college football bubble going to pop?

There can't really be this much money in the industry that surrounds it.

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Posted: 10/18/2011 10:16 PM
Say what you will about the MAC, at least we're not being considered for the SunBeast: http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/10/18/2498232/behold-the-future-of-college-athletics-the-sunbeast

Not only would it be a real pain to get to the championship game location (Abu Dhabi), but I don't know how good the tailgating scene is there...plus those SunBeast guys seem crazy.
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Posted: 10/19/2011 1:23 AM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Say what you will about the MAC, at least we're not being considered for the SunBeast: http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/10/18/2498232/behold-the-future-of-college-athletics-the-sunbeast

Not only would it be a real pain to get to the championship game location (Abu Dhabi), but I don't know how good the tailgating scene is there...plus those SunBeast guys seem crazy.

BUT THEY GET TO PLAY FOR THE SCHNELLY! As my one buddy who also reads EDSBS, "it would become the only trophy in college football by virtue of its raw fearsome power."
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Posted: 10/19/2011 5:13 AM
Great post L.C., and I agree.  Laugh if you will at the CUSA-MWC merger, but in the end I believe that conference will have a much larger TV contract then the MAC will ever see.  Also, with it broken-up in regional divisions, that will help its members.  IMHO it would not be a bad move.  For all of those trolls who want to downgrade football, think about joining this conference as a "football member" only program and then form whatever conference you think will get us somewhere in basketball.  Why?  Because at the end of the day, the MAC will get us nowhere in either football or basketball.
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Posted: 10/22/2011 1:48 AM
This stuff is changing by the minute. Here is the latest:


http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blo...


One of the reasons the Big East may be holding off on any expansion announcements about potential new members is that it is considering a plan that would create a nation-wide football conference incorporating between 28 and 32 teams in four divisions from Conference USA, the Mountain West Conference as well as the Big East.

According to sources from those conferences, the plan was devised as a way that the Big East could ensure its place as one of the six conferences receiving automatic BCS bids.

The document, which was obtained by The Globe, reveals an alternative plan which would help the Big East maintain its AQ status -- automatic qualification -- but also provide access to the Mountain West and Conference USA, who hope to gain such status.

Under the plan, Super Conference would consist of four divisions: West, Mountain, Central and the Big East.

In the 32-team format, the West Division would consist of Boise State, Hawaii, UNLV, Nevada, Fresno State, San Diego State, Utah State and San Jose State.

The Mountain Division would consist of Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, UTEP, SMU, Tulsa and Houston.

The Central Division would consist of Marshall, Memphis, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, UAB, Rice, Temple and Louisiana Tech.

And the Big East Division would consist of Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Cincinnati, South Florida, Central Florida, East Carolina and Navy. West Virginia is not included in this plan, with the assumption being the Mountaineers would be headed to the Big 12 to replace Missouri which will presumably wind up in the SEC along with Texas A&M.

The scaled down version of 28 teams would not include San Jose State in the West, move Houston from the Mountain to the Central Division, eliminate Temple and Louisiana Tech from the Central Division and not include Navy in the Big East division.

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Posted: 10/22/2011 7:45 AM
If this "Super Conference" info is true, there is no reason we could not be a part of it.  If it occurs and we miss it, what a shame!
Last Edited: 10/22/2011 7:47:11 AM by ou79
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Posted: 10/22/2011 9:03 AM
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If this "Super Conference" info is true, there is no reason we could not be a part of it.  If it occurs and we miss it, what a shame!


This proposed desperation super conference is our only chance at a D1 football lifeboat as the Titanic sinks.

Wait, I totally apologize for that comparison. It was way over the top and completely out of proportion. There is no way the MAC should ever be compared to the Titanic. The MAC is more like those rafts Cuban refugees use, but a little bit more shoddy. 

So we'll just drift in D1-AA type waters directionless - which is ironic for a conference chock full of directionals...

Last Edited: 10/22/2011 9:04:05 AM by First Street Forever
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Posted: 10/22/2011 9:29 AM
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If this "Super Conference" info is true, there is no reason we could not be a part of it.  If it occurs and we miss it, what a shame!


This proposed desperation super conference is our only chance at a D1 football lifeboat as the Titanic sinks.


I disagree. The point is assuring a BCS bid....for 1 of 32 teams. You're just splitting up the conference's pie into more pieces. The pie has to get bigger (and maybe it will, I don't know). The way to do that, theoretically, is a TV deal/network. But what do you give up with a 32-team conference? Are you playing more conference games to assure the TV deal/network? And if you are, do you give up your money games or your cupcakes? The easy answer is cupcakes, but that helps assure bowl eligibility and keeps the fanbase happy and donations rolling in. But if you give up money games, are you really any better off with just one BCS bid and a TV deal split up between 32 teams? I don't know. Still a lot of questions to be answered. It's counter-intuitive, but I really don't mind being on the outside of this one looking in. I don't think it will last, and OHIO will always be relevant to me.
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Posted: 10/22/2011 9:43 AM
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If this "Super Conference" info is true, there is no reason we could not be a part of it.  If it occurs and we miss it, what a shame!


This proposed desperation super conference is our only chance at a D1 football lifeboat as the Titanic sinks.


I disagree. The point is assuring a BCS bid....for 1 of 32 teams. You're just splitting up the conference's pie into more pieces. The pie has to get bigger (and maybe it will, I don't know). The way to do that, theoretically, is a TV deal/network. But what do you give up with a 32-team conference? Are you playing more conference games to assure the TV deal/network? And if you are, do you give up your money games or your cupcakes? The easy answer is cupcakes, but that helps assure bowl eligibility and keeps the fanbase happy and donations rolling in. But if you give up money games, are you really any better off with just one BCS bid and a TV deal split up between 32 teams? I don't know. Still a lot of questions to be answered. It's counter-intuitive, but I really don't mind being on the outside of this one looking in. I don't think it will last, and OHIO will always be relevant to me.


  The way I understand it is that it could be 28 or 32 teams. More than likely 28 teams. Interestingly at the Tulsa game last week Britton Banowsky was quoted as saying it could be "28 or 32" teams. As you could imagine, that had everybody in the CUSA and MWC camps scratching their heads. Now we have an idea where that quote was stemming from.
Last Edited: 10/22/2011 10:08:00 AM by WeAreMarshall
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Posted: 10/22/2011 9:50 AM
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If this "Super Conference" info is true, there is no reason we could not be a part of it.  If it occurs and we miss it, what a shame!


This proposed desperation super conference is our only chance at a D1 football lifeboat as the Titanic sinks.


I disagree. The point is assuring a BCS bid....for 1 of 32 teams. You're just splitting up the conference's pie into more pieces. The pie has to get bigger (and maybe it will, I don't know). The way to do that, theoretically, is a TV deal/network. But what do you give up with a 32-team conference? Are you playing more conference games to assure the TV deal/network? And if you are, do you give up your money games or your cupcakes? The easy answer is cupcakes, but that helps assure bowl eligibility and keeps the fanbase happy and donations rolling in. But if you give up money games, are you really any better off with just one BCS bid and a TV deal split up between 32 teams? I don't know. Still a lot of questions to be answered. It's counter-intuitive, but I really don't mind being on the outside of this one looking in. I don't think it will last, and OHIO will always be relevant to me.


On the surface, it appears that you might have four separate football conferences under one alliance and this separates the BE basketball schools from the quotation? It would give the "alliance" a chance to negotiate a TV contract covering 4 or 5 time zones. TV money might be driving force for this alliance?
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Posted: 10/22/2011 10:01 AM


This "super" conference is nothing of the kind.
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