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Mike Bundt WHIZ
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Posted: 11/9/2011 12:21 AM
I'm a junior at OU right now and the students leaving at halftime disgust me.

It's not all about drinking either (although that is a lot of the cause), a lot of it is because its tradition and a lot of students feel like they have to go.

A lot of people that go to the games don't even really care about OU football since its only the MAC. They come for the band and to hang out with their friends. then they leave after halftime. Some of them go to the bars afterwards but a lot of them don't. I was uptown after the Temple game and believe me, there wasn't a ton of people going at the bars.

Its just so stupid. Its reputation, assuming the MAC sucks therefore OU doesn't matter, many girls don't want to stay for the whole game, some of it is drinking (not all of it), then tradition, and other dumb crap.

When I ask my roommates why they leave, they always answer that everybody else is. The problem is that people aren't coming for the game or the team, they're coming for the experience. And to them, once they get bored or their friends want to leave, they leave as a group. 

And even though I said its not all do to drinking, I'd be lying if I didn't say half of it was do to that. The thing I don't get is why student's can't wait the extra 90 minutes to drink or pregame. If its a 3pm game, why can't you wait till 7 to get ready. If its a 7pm game, why can't you wait till 10:30 to go to the party instead of 9:30. Its stupid &*^( like that which pisses me off. Its college kids who think drinking and smoking weed are the two most important things in life and it annoys me. They think in the now instead of realizing what an embarrassment they are when they leave early and how the football team hates it.

I've talked to many football players and they have acknowledged to me that they couldn't give a crap about most of our students. They told me they play for themselves and their families. They love the 20% of students that stay for the whole game but could give a crap about the students that leave early. As one player (won't say name) told me, "the heck with those students, we couldn't give a crap about them anyways. They leave early, we don't play for them. We play for ourselves and Coach Solich. We just try to forget about all the students that leave at halftime as soon as we start the 3rd quarter."

And i'll add this, I know its annoying to see everybody leave but think of it this way; those are the people that don't trulu care about the program. Who cares if they leave. They don't enjoy the team the same way we do so they are the one's that lose out in the end
Last Edited: 11/9/2011 11:39:57 AM by Jeff McKinney
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Posted: 11/9/2011 12:28 AM
And i must add, as a student, I am really embarrassed about OU's reputation as #1 party school.

I used to embrace it and think it was cool but honestly, a lot of our students take way too much pride in it. I party and I have fun but partying isn't the reason you go to college.

Being from out of state and having people I know only know OU as a party school is embarrassing especially since I am a journalism student here and have pride in my academics.

I know every school has their parties and &^*( go down, but people embrace it here WAY TOO MUCH. If OUr student's appreciated the other great parts of our school and had pride in OUr athletics and other non-drinking activities, I think OU would be an even better college than what it is.

I'm trying not to be too negative but a lot of the general students here right now are just plain idiots and care more about drinking than school and activities and its embarrassing. I don't know if its always been this way but I can see how 82% of applicants get into OU.

We settle for students, and then we end up getting these negative reputations and our poor traditions continue.

Again, I'm not trying to sound negative. I just wish people had more pride in OU besides drinking and actually cared about other parts of the college experience like I do.
Last Edited: 11/9/2011 11:40:50 AM by Jeff McKinney
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Posted: 11/9/2011 1:20 AM
buffalobobcatfan wrote:expand_more
And i must add, as a student, I am really embarrassed about OU's reputation as #1 party school.

I used to embrace it and think it was cool but honestly, a lot of our students take way too much pride in it. I party and I have fun but partying isn't the reason you go to college.

Being from out of state and having people I know only know OU as a party school is embarrassing especially since I am a journalism student here and have pride in my academics.

I know every school has their parties and shit go down, but people embrace it here WAY TOO MUCH. If OUr student's appreciated the other great parts of our school and had pride in OUr athletics and other non-drinking activities, I think OU would be an even better college than what it is.

I'm trying not to be too negative but a lot of the general students here right now are just plain idiots and care more about drinking than school and activities and its embarrassing. I don't know if its always been this way but I can see how 82% of applicants get into OU.

We settle for students, and then we end up getting these negative reputations and our poor traditions continue.

Again, I'm not trying to sound negative. I just wish people had more pride in OU besides drinking and actually cared about other parts of the college experience like I do.


QFT. I graduated last spring and can echo these statements. I come from the greek life scene and did my fair share of partying basically from Wednesday on near the end of school but I could never understand why nobody seemed to care about sports at the University. You see it in facebook posts. People always talk about how much they love "Athens" but never "Ohio University" or the "Bobcats". Its not everyone, but OU definitely has a strange group of students as a whole. At most state universities with a party reputation (Wisconsin for example, even though they are Big Ten) school pride seems to be a much bigger deal than it is here. It changes when we have big wins (Georgetown in hoops) but overall there just seems to be a disconnect with a segment of the Ohio University student body and OU Athletics and I dont know what the solution is outside of beer sales at Peden
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Posted: 11/9/2011 3:06 AM
buffalobobcatfan wrote:expand_more
I'm trying not to be too negative but a lot of the general students here right now are just plain idiots and care more about drinking than school and activities and its embarrassing. I don't know if its always been this way but I can see how 82% of applicants get into OU.


I can't say that you can pin it necessarily on the admission standards but all the gentrification that has gone on the Athens campus over the last 20 years or so is attracting a different type of student. Going to OU used to have some mystique to it. It wasn't another state school for the masses. The personality of the school was low key and the parties weren't as raucous though just as big. You could have a lot of fun and eclectic experiences. The school has become homogenized with the niceties found at every other school. The Ping Center, the new Baker Center, a pretty little football stadium. Its now attracting kids who want that crap instead of a hole in the wall college town in the middle of nowhere. I don't think the kids were smarter back in the day as much as they were cooler. The students were more rugged for sure. The people I knew then and the older alumni I've met through athletics would attest to that.  
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Posted: 11/9/2011 8:47 AM
#3...It wasn't even remotely cold.  Sheesh.
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Posted: 11/9/2011 10:12 AM
Because everyone else is doing it is a terrible reason to do anything.

#3 is the worst.
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Posted: 11/9/2011 10:32 AM
All true, I suppose.

But give it a little time.  It seems better this year.  As we keep winning, it will come.  Isn't that why there are recruiting threads here.  'cause it starts there.  And it's beginning to happen on the fields and on the courts.

What did those who will graduate this year go thru school (5 years) with?

What will this year's frosh see over their five--probably significantly different.

GO OHIO!
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Posted: 11/9/2011 11:12 AM
buffalobobcatfan, thanks so much for posting.  It's clear that you care about Ohio and that you are "telling it like it is."  Identifying a problem and its cause is the first necessary step in coming up with a solution.  I think you've done a good job of the former.  Now, we need to figure out a solution.  That won't be easy, and it may take a lot to time, but I'm convinced that there has to be one. 

One thought that's been in my mind for a number of years relative to this issue is that it becomes, to some extent, a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Students don't get excited about Ohio athletics, so when they go to a game they are very apathetic and aren't much into the game.  The team senses this and doesn't perform at the top of its game.  The students say, "See our team sucks."  They then leave at half-time further depressing the team, which then performs to an even lower standard.  I think in the years before Solich this kind of scenario played out a lot.  I can remember students saying, "I left at halftime because I knew they were going to lose."  The game could have been tied or close at halftime with Ohio having even a small lead.  In my mind a number of close losses in those years in competitive games could be pinned directly on the "dead stadium atmosphere" created by massive halftime departures.  The team sensed that the students had no faith in them and that hurt their self-image as well.  These are subtle psychological things, probably subconscious in many respects, but I think they are real.  Somehow in the Solich years the team has developed a thicker skin and seems to be less affected by student apathy.  I'm hoping that a continuing winning tradition slowly start to reverse this apathetic attitude toward Ohio athletics in general, and football in particular. 

One question, buffalobob, you say that students say things like, "we are just a MAC team" to show their disrespect for our teams.  If when the current realignment fury is over, Ohio would find itself, for instance, in a new Eastern Division of C-USA with Marshall, East Carolina, UAB, Toledo, Memphis, Temple and Florida International.  (All schools for all sports) would that make a difference in student attitudes and game attendance?  This is hypothetical, of course, but I'm just trying to get a handle on this aspect of the issue. 
Last Edited: 11/9/2011 11:16:54 AM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 11/9/2011 11:37 AM
Ohio69 has some good ideas to address this problem.  Wish he'd come on here and post about it.

OCF...I know you addressed this question to Buffalo, but I don't think it'd make much difference to these "early leavers" if Ohio joined another conference...unless it was a  BCS level league.
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Posted: 11/9/2011 12:32 PM
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OCF...I know you addressed this question to Buffalo, but I don't think it'd make much difference to these "early leavers" if Ohio joined another conference...unless it was a  BCS level league.


I feel that if there was an "in" for the winner of that mega league to make a BCS bowl game, then it would definitely change the image in terms of our conference affiliation.  

Look how the students reacted to the MAC tourney run and the Georgetown game in 2010.  When there's national implications, there's interest.  Deep down, students all want to feel what its like to be big time here, and you can't tell me that everyone is going to be apathetic all the time.  Georgetown proved it. 

Last year, I used to live around the corner from Eric Herman, and he always made an effort to say "hey" and talk to my friends and I about how the 110 was doing and thanked us for being so supportive of the team.  Even had a few conversations with me on the Summit bus on the way to class about the upcoming game.  I have a great deal of respect for him for that and I feel that if more students had experiences like me, in which they get to interact with the players and get to know them just a little bit, then maybe they would be more interested in supporting them.  At big time schools, students can hear about the players on their time on ESPN and on TV.  

Maybe here, more meaningful interaction between the players and the students would improve the relations between the two.   
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Posted: 11/9/2011 5:18 PM
Selling alcohol at our sporting events was brought up at a meeting a few years back and McDavis said if it was ever brought up again that person would be fired.  So as long as McDavis is the president there is absolutely no way alcohol will be in Peden, unless your sneaky.
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