menu
Logo
Ohio Football Topic
Topic: Hello from Northern Utah
Page: 2 of 2
UpSan Bobcat
General User
Member Since: 8/30/2005
Location: Upper Sandusky, OH
Post Count: 3,817
mail
UpSan Bobcat
mail
Posted: 12/6/2011 11:39 AM
Southwest currently has round-trip flights to Salt Lake City as cheap as cheap as $337 (and no bag fees) from Columbus. This type of price is more affordable, but of course, you'd have to rent a car.
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 12/6/2011 8:33 PM
Youngstown Bobcat wrote:expand_more
So yes, Athens is both in the Midwest and Appalachia geographically.  Culturally is a different story. 


That's what I meant, pretty much. But even geographically... you're telling me we're similar to Iowa, Nebraska? Nuh uh.
quackattackaggie
General User
Q
Member Since: 12/5/2011
Post Count: 4
person
mail
quackattackaggie
mail
Posted: 12/8/2011 8:55 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Southwest currently has round-trip flights to Salt Lake City as cheap as cheap as $337 (and no bag fees) from Columbus. This type of price is more affordable, but of course, you'd have to rent a car.


and drive 7-8 hours, each way, likely in bad snow.
OhioCatFan
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 15,709
mail
OhioCatFan
mail
Posted: 12/8/2011 9:10 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Appalachia Trivia:

The three newest Ohio counties to be added to the federal (ARC) definition of Appalachia are in North[EAST] Ohio -- Trumbull, Mahoning, and Ashtabula.  They are now eligible for federal monies from ARC.

The biggest city in Appalachia, according to the feds, is Pittsburgh.


That is Northeast Ohio not Northwest but I think its great to get the Youngstown metropolitan area into the definition. Those three counties are all along the Pennsylvania border stretching to Lake Erie. 


Yes, of course.  That's the second time you've corrected me on the very same error -- typing NorthWEST Ohio, when I meant NorthEAST Ohio, or it might have been the other way around.  I can't remember the context of the other post. 

At any rate the point is that the Appalachian region, as defined by the feds, is becoming an almost meaningless term.  As for me, I just prefer to be called a hillbilly!
Sony7
General User
Member Since: 6/25/2005
Location: Greenfield, WI
Post Count: 299
mail
Sony7
mail
Posted: 12/10/2011 7:20 PM
This is from the Athens County Convention and visitors bureau, "Home to Ohio University and Hocking College, Athens County is nestled deep in the Appalachian foothills of Southeast Ohio. The lively arts and music scene entertains locals and visitors alike all year round. The eclectic shopping and dining scene is a result of the presence of a large university and rich Appalachian heritage. Hunting, kayaking, bouldering, hiking, cycling, and mountain biking are just some of the most popular outdoor activities."

The Web site is http://www.athensohio.com/

We are in the Midwest and are considered part of Appalachia. One of the most beautiful places on earth.
Last Edited: 12/10/2011 7:22:10 PM by Sony7
OhioCatFan
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 15,709
mail
OhioCatFan
mail
Posted: 12/10/2011 9:16 PM
Most Ohioans, if asked, will say they live in the Midwest; however, when you actually live in the Midwest (like I once did in Missouri), they view Ohio as an eastern state.  They kind of view Ohio and Massachusetts as bordering states.  Geographically perceptions are sometimes really skewed.  When I was a kid some of the bridges on the Ohio river between Ohio and West Virginia had signs that read -- incorrectly -- "you are now crossing the Mason-Dixon line."  It was, of course, once in pre-Civil War days, the border between the slave-state of Virginia and the free-state of Ohio, but it wasn't really the Mason-Dixon line.  In fact, West Virginia, itself, is a good example of the issue of actual versus perceived geography.  Folks who live in the Northern Panhandle of West Virginia are socially and culturally much more like western Pennsylvania, or Northern Ohio than they are like Central West Virginia.  In turn, Southern West Virginia in the coal fields is a completely different cultural place compared to the Eastern Panhandle.  However, ask the average citizen of the U.S. what comes to mind when he or she thinks of West Virginia and you'll probably get stereotypes related to poverty, coal mining and the Hatfield-McCoy feud.  I guess my point is that one should be careful when describing Appalachia or any other part of the USA.  There are many differences -- subtle or otherwise -- within many of the common geographical designators.
Last Edited: 12/10/2011 9:21:37 PM by OhioCatFan
Pataskala
General User
P
Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 9,465
person
mail
Pataskala
mail
Posted: 12/11/2011 9:38 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Most Ohioans, if asked, will say they live in the Midwest; however, when you actually live in the Midwest (like I once did in Missouri), they view Ohio as an eastern state.  They kind of view Ohio and Massachusetts as bordering states.  Geographically perceptions are sometimes really skewed.  When I was a kid some of the bridges on the Ohio river between Ohio and West Virginia had signs that read -- incorrectly -- "you are now crossing the Mason-Dixon line."  It was, of course, once in pre-Civil War days, the border between the slave-state of Virginia and the free-state of Ohio, but it wasn't really the Mason-Dixon line.  In fact, West Virginia, itself, is a good example of the issue of actual versus perceived geography.  Folks who live in the Northern Panhandle of West Virginia are socially and culturally much more like western Pennsylvania, or Northern Ohio than they are like Central West Virginia.  In turn, Southern West Virginia in the coal fields is a completely different cultural place compared to the Eastern Panhandle.  However, ask the average citizen of the U.S. what comes to mind when he or she thinks of West Virginia and you'll probably get stereotypes related to poverty, coal mining and the Hatfield-McCoy feud.  I guess my point is that one should be careful when describing Appalachia or any other part of the USA.  There are many differences -- subtle or otherwise -- within many of the common geographical designators.


Garrison Keillor calls Ohio "the Midwest's first line of defense against New York."  It's always been a rare combination of Northeast industrialism and Midwest values.  Maybe that's why so many in politics and advertising consider Ohio to be a microcosm of the US.
Robert Fox
General User
RF
Member Since: 11/17/2004
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post Count: 2,039
person
mail
Robert Fox
mail
Posted: 12/11/2011 9:55 AM
There are also subdivisions within states that can be fascinating to consider (at least if you're into that sort of thing). Northern Ohio was originally claimed by Connecticut, while Southern Ohio was claimed by Virginia. You can see the significance of that today architecturally. Northern Ohio small towns are designed and laid out similar to New England towns. Southern Ohio architecture looks just like Virginia. 

Within Southern Ohio, the area designated by the Scioto River on the East and the Little Miami River on the West (just east of Cincinnati), was parceled out for Revolutionary War soldiers from Virginia. As a result, a drive through the rural areas of Clermont, Brown, Adams Counties, and others, features farm houses that look just like a drive through the Old Dominion.

Just across the Little Miami River, the homes are designed differently. 

Trying to identify the culture of a whole state is nearly impossible, just like trying to identify whole generations is also nearly impossible (Gen X, Baby Boomer, Gen Y, etc.).


OhioCatFan
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 15,709
mail
OhioCatFan
mail
Posted: 12/11/2011 12:27 PM
As you point out, Robert, within Southern Ohio there are lot of differences.  Much of Southeastern Ohio, like northern Ohio, was first settled by New Englanders.  The Virginia Military District in the counties you mentioned had a very early influx of Virginians.  Athens County even has a village called New England and you'll find a number of other names from New England around these parts   Later immigration into SEO included Virginians, Pennsylvanians,  Marylanders, Welsh, English, Scots, etc.  Members of my wife's family floated down flatboats from Washington County, Pa., and ended up in such places as Gallia County and after a few generations some were all the way over in Greene County and later Darke County.   My own SEO ancestors came here from Maryland specifically to get away from a slave state.  They settled in Monroe County (between Belmont and Washington Counties).
Last Edited: 12/11/2011 12:28:07 PM by OhioCatFan
Monroe Slavin
General User
MS
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Oxnard, CA
Post Count: 9,121
person
mail
Monroe Slavin
mail
Posted: 12/11/2011 3:10 PM
It's good to have a thread about where Ohio University is located.
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 12/11/2011 5:14 PM
One of the fun things about Ohio is that the different regions are really quite dissimilar. SEO, NWO, NEO, Central... different geography, different weather, different accents, different food, different cultures.
Robert Fox
General User
RF
Member Since: 11/17/2004
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post Count: 2,039
person
mail
Robert Fox
mail
Posted: 12/11/2011 5:52 PM
True. I remember that becoming clear when I first started at OU. That was the first time I had spent much time with students from other parts of the state, and the first time I realized just how different Ohio accents could be. I still tease my northern Ohio wife for the way she pronounces "dollar."
Jeff McKinney
Moderator
JM
Member Since: 11/12/2004
Post Count: 6,163
person
mail
Jeff McKinney
mail
Posted: 12/11/2011 11:14 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
There are also subdivisions within states that can be fascinating to consider (at least if you're into that sort of thing). Northern Ohio was originally claimed by Connecticut, while Southern Ohio was claimed by Virginia. You can see the significance of that today architecturally. Northern Ohio small towns are designed and laid out similar to New England towns. Southern Ohio architecture looks just like Virginia. 

Within Southern Ohio, the area designated by the Scioto River on the East and the Little Miami River on the West (just east of Cincinnati), was parceled out for Revolutionary War soldiers from Virginia. As a result, a drive through the rural areas of Clermont, Brown, Adams Counties, and others, features farm houses that look just like a drive through the Old Dominion.

Just across the Little Miami River, the homes are designed differently. 

Trying to identify the culture of a whole state is nearly impossible, just like trying to identify whole generations is also nearly impossible (Gen X, Baby Boomer, Gen Y, etc.).




Did you take Dr. Wilhelm's Cultural Geography course?  I did...and it was one of the most fascinating classes I had at OU.  He focused on content similar to your post.  
anorris
General User
Member Since: 7/7/2010
Location: Bristol, CT
Post Count: 2,262
mail
anorris
mail
Posted: 12/12/2011 12:48 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
One of the fun things about Ohio is that the different regions are really quite dissimilar. SEO, NWO, NEO, Central... different geography, different weather, different accents, different food, different cultures.
I've always noticed that too, but I wonder if this is truly something that is different about Ohio, or simply that one sees nuance in areas with which they are familiar.  I'm already picking up on "regions" in CT (and it is pretty darn small!).
Robert Fox
General User
RF
Member Since: 11/17/2004
Location: Knoxville, TN
Post Count: 2,039
person
mail
Robert Fox
mail
Posted: 12/12/2011 9:27 AM
Jeff, no I didn't. But I wish I did...
Showing Messages: 26 - 40 of 40



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)