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Posted: 1/1/2012 9:26 AM
Just looking at yesterday's bowl schedule was enough to make you throw up.  10 teams with 2 of those with 7-5 records, 4 teams with 6-6 and 1 with a 6-7 record going into the games.  Only 2 of the games had both teams with winning records going in.  And 3 teams playing after firing their coaches. No compelling games for me in that bunch.
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Posted: 1/1/2012 9:42 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Just looking at yesterday's bowl schedule was enough to make you throw up.  10 teams with 2 of those with 7-5 records, 4 teams with 6-6 and 1 with a 6-7 record going into the games.  Only 2 of the games had both teams with winning records going in.  And 3 teams playing after firing their coaches. No compelling games for me in that bunch.


+1, could not get myself to watch any of them. 
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Posted: 1/1/2012 11:10 AM
Agreed 100%.  I haven't seen a full game since the Tater Bowl and the games yesterday offered zero interest.  Watched basketball instead (IU-O$U and Xavier-Gonzaga were two fine games).  It may be the most wonderful week for Capital One but not for the rest of us.  I hope things will be different if the BCS goes to a quasi-playoff system.  I understand that some of these bowls may drop their affiliate agreements, which means a 12-1 Boise might get to play an 11-1 Stanford instead of a 6-6 Arizona State.

BTW, the Dispatch today showed the attendance at the Illinois-UCLA game yesterday as 0.  Was it a typo, a statement or the truth?
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Posted: 1/1/2012 1:04 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but: I believe UCLA has set a college football record by playing in a bowl game and finishing the season with 8 losses.
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Posted: 1/1/2012 1:20 PM
Problem is, if they get rid of bowls, we'd still see 6-6 teams playing each other.  What we wouldn't see is a couple of MAC teams at 10-2  or 9-3 playing in bowls.  They'd be home for the holidays.  They just need to go back to teams needing a winning record to be in a bowl.  14 teams with a 6-6 record.  That's ridiculous, that's 7 full games' worth.
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Posted: 1/1/2012 1:39 PM
I think there are too many singing TV shows on these days too.

Therefore, I just don't watch them. Easy as that...


Edit, for the record, my opinion is any football is better than no football. I watched most of the games, and had to utilize a second TV & laptop to get some of the good hoops games in also yesterday.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 10:06 AM
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Problem is, if they get rid of bowls, we'd still see 6-6 teams playing each other.  What we wouldn't see is a couple of MAC teams at 10-2  or 9-3 playing in bowls.  They'd be home for the holidays.  They just need to go back to teams needing a winning record to be in a bowl.  14 teams with a 6-6 record.  That's ridiculous, that's 7 full games' worth.


Not if they also do away with most of the automatic bids for the bigger conferences AND require that teams with winning records get picked before 6-6 teams.  It's ok for a conference champion to get an automatic bid to one of the BSC bowls, but 6-6 teams shouldn't get priority over teams that have real success during the season.  Bowls should not be a reward for mediocrity.

Also, let's do away with multiple bowls in the same city.  Nawlins gets two bowls every year (three with the BCS championship game this year), so do Dallas, San Diego, Orlando, Tampa-St Pete, and the Phoenix area.  Usually, one of the bowls in these cities isn't very well attended unless they have a local team playing.  I know most bowls help local charities (like the 84,000 potatoes that went to Boise food banks), but it seems that some are just there to exist.
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Posted: 1/2/2012 3:06 PM
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Posted: 1/2/2012 5:46 PM
Thanks for posting BG86.  I was pleasantly surprised to see this as the #18 biggest upset in bowl history.

Here's the text that accompanies the listing:

"Richmond has won only one bowl game ever.

The Spiders beat the then-No. 15 Ohio Bobcats, 49-42, to pick up that victory."


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Posted: 1/3/2012 2:38 PM

I enjoy bowl season.  I get to see a lot of teams that I normally do not get to watch.  i like football and this time of year is great with all of the bowls, playoffs in lower divisions and the nfl.  But i do tire of seeing some of the 6-6 teams from the big conferences.  maybe if the had to have a winning record in their conference, some of the duds would be cut out.

I've enjoyed the bowl season so far. 

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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:56 AM
mcbin wrote:expand_more
I think there are too many singing TV shows on these days too.

Therefore, I just don't watch them. Easy as that...


Edit, for the record, my opinion is any football is better than no football. I watched most of the games, and had to utilize a second TV & laptop to get some of the good hoops games in also yesterday.


easily the best answer to the question. Till you count the money
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:28 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I think there are too many singing TV shows on these days too.

Therefore, I just don't watch them. Easy as that...


Edit, for the record, my opinion is any football is better than no football. I watched most of the games, and had to utilize a second TV & laptop to get some of the good hoops games in also yesterday.


easily the best answer to the question. Till you count the money


Borna, what's your point? I think we've been over the issue that zero sports turn a profit. Probably safe to say no schools in Ohio not named Ohio State turn a profit in athletics. Old news also, we didn't play LCPB this year.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:09 PM
I'd like to see them change the rule so that a team doesn't go to a bowl unless they have six wins against 1A (aka FBS) teams.  That would give the AQ schools more reason to schedule MAC, Sun Belt, WAC and even CUSA schools in an effort to get an "easy" win.  The AQs really have no business playing 1AA schools anyway (despite App State's once-in-a-lifetime upset over Mich a couple years ago).  Pitt, Purdue, Illinois, Iowa St, Air Force, Arizona St, Vanderbilt and Miss St would not have been bowl eligible by this standard.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:50 PM
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(despite App State's once-in-a-lifetime upset over Mich a couple years ago)
Awfully short lifespan you have, there.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:14 PM
Here's a good reference for FBS/FCS geek types.

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/a-complete-re.../
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Posted: 1/5/2012 12:37 AM
I love the games.  I have watched football every day since the middle of December.  I haven't watched every game in its entirety, but at least I have had the option.  The only basketball games I have watched have been in the Convo.  I'll go into full hoops mode starting next Wednesday. 

Once the bowls can't sell sponsorships and advertising, then there are too many bowls.  Not all of them are good, nor is every team necessarily deserving of a post-season game.  That doesn't mean many of the games won't be interesting. 
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Posted: 1/5/2012 10:03 AM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
Here's a good reference for FBS/FCS geek types.

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/a-complete-re.../


Amazing.  Every time I think I've seen the most obscure extension of statistical analysis another more obscure, in-depth study pops up.  That is interesting stuff but barely more interesting than the motivation for someone to put it together and us (me) to look at it.
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Posted: 1/5/2012 10:28 AM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
Here's a good reference for FBS/FCS geek types.

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/a-complete-re.../


Man, that Northeastern game really was that bad, wasn't it? I only took a quick glance, but I only spotted one team (Boise St.) with a bigger margin of defeat to a I-AA team. Worst loss in program history?
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Posted: 1/5/2012 6:49 PM
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Man, that Northeastern game really was that bad, wasn't it? I only took a quick glance, but I only spotted one team (Boise St.) with a bigger margin of defeat to a I-AA team. Worst loss in program history?


The fact that Northeastern scuttled its entire football program less than a decade later might bolster that argument.
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Posted: 1/5/2012 8:04 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Here's a good reference for FBS/FCS geek types.

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/a-complete-re.../


Man, that Northeastern game really was that bad, wasn't it? I only took a quick glance, but I only spotted one team (Boise St.) with a bigger margin of defeat to a I-AA team. Worst loss in program history?


Maybe worst by some statistical measure, but expectations were lower back then IMO. NIU loss this year or CMU a couple years back, or maybe a BG thumping would trump that one in my book. Or, perhaps time has healed Northeastern more...
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Posted: 1/5/2012 9:51 PM
mcbin wrote:expand_more
Here's a good reference for FBS/FCS geek types.

http://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/08/12/a-complete-re.../


Man, that Northeastern game really was that bad, wasn't it? I only took a quick glance, but I only spotted one team (Boise St.) with a bigger margin of defeat to a I-AA team. Worst loss in program history?


Maybe worst by some statistical measure, but expectations were lower back then IMO. NIU loss this year or CMU a couple years back, or maybe a BG thumping would trump that one in my book. Or, perhaps time has healed Northeastern more...


As you move into your mid 30's Ben, I'm afraid that you're finding that time heels all wounds.  That NE lost 10 years ago this fall was about as low as it gets.
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Posted: 1/5/2012 11:22 PM
I'm surprised by the number of losses by AQ schools to 1AA schools during the past 10 years, although I think UConn was still a 1AA school -- or at least in transition -- when they lost to EWash in 2001.  Only four 1A schools -- Notre Dame, USC, UCLA and Wash -- have never PLAYED a 1AA school.  Don't know if it's snobbery or a realization that they really have nothing to gain by playing, or even beating, 1AA schools.   
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Posted: 1/6/2012 10:24 PM
Al, I thought it was, "Time wounds all heals!" 
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Posted: 1/7/2012 1:52 AM
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Al, I thought it was, "Time wounds all heals!" 
Wait, so you all mean to tell me that thyme isn't a magical plant with healing properties?!
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Posted: 1/7/2012 3:34 PM
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Al, I thought it was, "Time wounds all heals!" 
Wait, so you all mean to tell me that thyme isn't a magical plant with healing properties?!


Only when prepared by a girl named Rosemary.
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