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L.C.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:25 AM
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Few sports carry a very real risk of severe brain damage.

What percentage of people that play the game end up with severe brain damage?

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Really? What percentage of professional football players go through a career (with regular playing time) and don't suffer a serious injury? In four years, how many Bobcats avoid the injury report?

At the each level you go up, the chance of injury increases. My observation is that about 5% of the people that play at Ohio end up having a severe injury that causes them to stop playing. This is just a guess, but I'd say another 15-20% or so have an injury that requires corrective surgery. The rest no doubt have other injuries somewhere along the line that are less serious.

Only a very small percentage of those that play football ever play professionally. Of those who do play professionally, a significant number never play regularly, and have a very short career. Several Bobcats have had careers of that type. The relatively few ones that do play professional football regularly, for a long time, almost all, no doubt, have a serious injury sooner or later. This small group contains the ones that I would expect to be at the most risk of serious brain injury.

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And who cares about "the market"? "The market" also finds value in slavery.

I guess we're going to have to disagree, there. I'd rather let the market decide what has value than have some bureaucrat or legislator decide. I could go into depth here, but then we'd be in Siberia.....

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Another sport? Maybe he would have discovered he is a talented artist and done that. Or maybe the lightbulb in his head just would have went off. But LaVon Brazill turned his life around, not football.

Maybe he would have turned his life around anyway, or maybe not. We don't know. What we do know is that football provided him with an opportunity, and he took advantage of it.

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Are you blatantly misrepresenting my point here? I never said nobody should work in a job without risk. That's ridiculous. The question is what is the risk and the cost as opposed to the reward. Working on an oil rig is risky, but holy crap, if nobody did it, life would grind to a screeching halt.

I was not trying to misrepresent your point. In your prior post you said "The point is $100 million or whatever isn't worth the brain damage you sustain from playing the game." If $100 million isn't worth the chance of possible brain injury, it didn't sound like you acknowledged any kind of tradeoff between risk of injury and reward. My point is that most jobs have a risk of injury, and in accepting work, people agree to some pay in exchange for it. To me those that do choose to play professional football are indeed at high risk of injury, but they are also well compensated for it.

By the way, I have a sad memory that always reminds me that no job is entirely safe from injury. As an employer, I am still sickened when I think of a tragic accident over 20 years ago. A clerical worker who worked for me tripped over a phone cord. Rather than just falling, she tried to regain her balance, and in the process accelerated across the room. There she hit the wall so hard that she knocked the door frame loose, knocked herself unconscious, ripped her arm out of it's socket, and permanently damaged some vertebrae, resulting in permanent loss of use of her arm, permanent pain, and permanent disability.

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An economist can tell you people will make bad decisions if you give them enough reason to do it.

or, would an economist tell you that if you give them enough reason, what was once a bad decision becomes a reasonable one?

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I don't want to ban or make anything illegal here. But I do want to take a long, hard look at our actions.

I think you should always re-examine your assumptions. I have no desire to watch anyone get permanent brain injury. As a result I don't watch boxing, though I did when I was younger. I expect that all boxers, sooner or later, will have severe brain injury. My assumption has always been that only a very small minority of football players end up with that, and that those most at risk would be players with a long professional career. Actually, that's one reason I don't watch professional football. I have never thought that college players are likely to have that problem, provided that the staff is following normal procedures, such as not playing people who have a concussion, and causing people to end their career after some pre-determined number of concussions, say 3 or 4 (not sure what is reasonable, and safe). If research shows me otherwise, and that even high school/college players are having this problem in significant numbers, my opinion on this would change.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:36 AM
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JSF, virtually all sports have some risk of injury.


Few sports carry a very real risk of severe brain damage.

Many people play football without serious injury.


Really? What percentage of professional football players go through a career (with regular playing time) and don't suffer a serious injury? In four years, how many Bobcats avoid the injury report?


The injury report is a bad barometer to measure serious injury.  Baseball players are likely to be on an injury report during their careers as well.  Same with any sport.  And it's pretty hard to prove a generality (percentage of players who don't suffer serious injury).  All you really can have are individual stories.  The list would be long for either side. 

I believe two professional soccer players have had a heart attack in the middle of games this year, one fatal.  Is that sport dangerous?  Never has an NFL player died during a game, and I cannot immediately think of a D-I college football player who has.

Players in football who have died from the sport are often due to heat exhaustion during the summer months, which is most certainly a concern and one that the latest NFL collective bargaining agreement worked to remedy.  

In basketball, Hank Gathers died during a game.  Reggie Lewis died playing during the offseason.  Is basketball too taxing?  Is it too dangerous?  Should the game be slowed down or shortened? 

I am also all for the investigating of these matters, but I think it's unfair to have such a reaction following the suicide of a retired player and immediately assume that it was because of injuries sustained during football.  Was Hideki Irabu's suicide a result of something baseball-related?  How about Mike Flanagan from the Baltimore Orioles, also a pitcher?  Was that the result of something baseball-related?
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Posted: 5/7/2012 9:16 PM
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JSF, virtually all sports have some risk of injury.


Few sports carry a very real risk of severe brain damage.

Many people play football without serious injury.


Really? What percentage of professional football players go through a career (with regular playing time) and don't suffer a serious injury? In four years, how many Bobcats avoid the injury report?



In basketball, Hank Gathers died during a game.  Reggie Lewis died playing during the offseason.  Is basketball too taxing?  Is it too dangerous?  Should the game be slowed down or shortened? 


Gathers and Lewis both had pre-existing conditions and were mistakenly given a clean bill of health from their doctors. They were ticking timebombs. That would be like sending someone without a skull to play football.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:26 PM
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Never has an NFL player died during a game


Chuck Hughes of the Detroit Lions. My parents were at the game.
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