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Posted: 5/30/2012 9:43 PM
I read this Speakeasy article about the future of Ohio University yesterday and got fired up enough to write a letter to the administration. Although it sounds more like a plea for help, here's what I wrote:

Ohio University Athletics is on the precipice of self-destruction.  The chasm between the school’s athletic programs and academia is compromising what should be a symbiotic relationship.

University athletic funding, a contentious topic on many college campuses, is not sufficiently supporting the potential of Ohio University. Ohio does not currently have the vision on a university wide scale to position itself as the top school in the state. If they make the necessary financial commitment, it will come to fruition.

I understand the apprehension of making a commitment with funds we currently do not possess, I really do. An advantage to the current education model is the ability to borrow money beyond one’s current means. It enables the individual to achieve the potential the truly believe they possess. Is it not fair to assume the university is capable of higher levels of success if it uses its access to money responsibly? Is it not a goal to be the most complete university in the state? Is it not the goal of this university to be the best in all aspects that we have to offer? If not, why not?

This is the oldest university in Ohio. This university is the namesake of a state home to the Pro Football Hall of Fame and two professional football teams. Yet the Bobcats sit idle in the fall behind football fan bases Cincinnati and OSU. There is no acceptable excuse for our complacency. Our university has as much of a right as any to represent this state. More importantly, we are more capable than most.

Athletically, we are handicapped by our peers in the Mid-American Conference. They are not willing to make the investment to captivate their markets, their communities. Our market is the entire state, not a town, or city. Our potential is cut from a different cloth. We must separate ourselves from these schools that are not like us. We must associate ourselves with schools that are looking to move forward. To give an analogy, we are sitting on oil here at Ohio University. The MAC is trying to make rubber furniture; it’s time to associate ourselves with universities trying to make gasoline.

We have been blessed with the name Ohio. Let’s use it to our advantage.

 A change must happen within the next five years. As detailed in Tuesday’s, “Is Ohio’s Division I status at risk?” article on Speakeasy Magazine, the college landscape is changing at a rapid pace; to risk being left out of changes now could have us on the outside looking in for the conceivable future. Men’s football and basketball are fighting, and winning, battles on the frontlines for the state of Ohio. We have the coaches, Athletic Director, and President in place to make strides not possible in the previous decades. When this window closes we may never see the opportunity again.

This is an open letter to the decision makers of Ohio University, the administration, professors, alumni, and students. As a senior who’s about to graduate from Russ College of Engineering I can vouch for our potential. I’ve visited schools in the Big Ten, Pac 12, SEC, and Big East during my four years here. There is nothing about Ohio University that is second rate to these “major” athletic institutions. There is no student body, no administration, no group of student athletes or alumni that have the inherit right to possess the national spotlight. We are in a position to achieve what we are capable of.

All I ask of our administration is to believe in our beloved university as much as I do and make a real commitment in looking toward a bright future. After four years of boundless service, it’s the least that I can ask. Do the right thing.

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Posted: 5/30/2012 9:52 PM
In terms of McDavis, you are preaching to the choir.  But, you deliver a mighty good sermon!
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Posted: 5/31/2012 8:31 AM
The Situation brings up a point I've been pondering ever since I graduated from Ohio. We are OHIO.

It's funny, a lot of other smaller schools such as us don't have the namesake that we do. Seriously, how many people knew where Davidson was before Steph Curry was dropping bombs in the NCAA Tournament? In football when Ball State when 12-0, I'm sure there was some guy/gal out in California saying to themselves "where the hell is Ball State?" Some places you have to use Google just to find where they are.

I'm sure people have done that for Ohio University as well, but having the name Ohio says more than enough. Which is another reason why we should never change our logo. Make Ohio the brand until its etched into the minds of every casual sports fan.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 9:44 AM
Hey Sitch:

As a student, could you give me some insight on the sentiment of the student body towards athletics? I'm an '03 grad, have been hanging around campus since '97. I rarely went to sporting events although I followed results and players. The vast majority of students around me never went to games and could maybe name one player from each the bb or fb team, often because they had a class with them.

I'm curious to see if the recent success has created almost a paradigm shift in the mentality of the students, creating an alumni base far more interested in athletics than the past 10-15 years.

(I'm trying to make up for the lack of games attended. Since I left, they became an excuse to come back. Now I'm on BA daily, jonesin' for any tidbit of info.) 
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Posted: 5/31/2012 10:11 AM
I'm sensing from the game watches I've been to in recent years that many grads who have grown up with the Solich era of football have a football only attitude towards Ohio sports that we've long had toward our basketball program which is a new thing. Grads that have been out of school 5 years + usually are more receptive to watching us succeed in basketball. I can remember 5-6 years ago when most people attending were not attuned to the actual game and that has changed tremendously. If the school wants to take that next step up to the Big East its going to need at least 2x the level of alumni participation. Another 3,000 alumni driving down to Peden Stadium every fall Saturday to fill the stands and donate to the Ohio Bobcat Club. Securing more large gifts that can renovate Peden into a modern football facility. The stadium already looks outdated from the work done on it in the 90's. 
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Posted: 5/31/2012 10:21 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
I'm sensing from the game watches I've been to in recent years that many grads who have grown up with the Solich era of football have a football only attitude towards Ohio sports that we've long had toward our basketball program which is a new thing. Grads that have been out of school 5 years + usually are more receptive to watching us succeed in basketball. I can remember 5-6 years ago when most people attending were not attuned to the actual game and that has changed tremendously. If the school wants to take that next step up to the Big East its going to need at least 2x the level of alumni participation. Another 3,000 alumni driving down to Peden Stadium every fall Saturday to fill the stands and donate to the Ohio Bobcat Club. Securing more large gifts that can renovate Peden into a modern football facility. The stadium already looks outdated from the work done on it in the 90's. 


Once Nelsonville's elimination is complete (i.e. when the bypass gets finished) I could see something close to that extra 3000 coming to pass.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 10:27 AM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
I'm sensing from the game watches I've been to in recent years that many grads who have grown up with the Solich era of football have a football only attitude towards Ohio sports that we've long had toward our basketball program which is a new thing. Grads that have been out of school 5 years + usually are more receptive to watching us succeed in basketball. I can remember 5-6 years ago when most people attending were not attuned to the actual game and that has changed tremendously. If the school wants to take that next step up to the Big East its going to need at least 2x the level of alumni participation. Another 3,000 alumni driving down to Peden Stadium every fall Saturday to fill the stands and donate to the Ohio Bobcat Club. Securing more large gifts that can renovate Peden into a modern football facility. The stadium already looks outdated from the work done on it in the 90's. 


Once Nelsonville's elimination is complete (i.e. when the bypass gets finished) I could see something close to that extra 3000 coming to pass.


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Posted: 5/31/2012 10:57 AM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
I'm sensing from the game watches I've been to in recent years that many grads who have grown up with the Solich era of football have a football only attitude towards Ohio sports that we've long had toward our basketball program which is a new thing. Grads that have been out of school 5 years + usually are more receptive to watching us succeed in basketball. I can remember 5-6 years ago when most people attending were not attuned to the actual game and that has changed tremendously. If the school wants to take that next step up to the Big East its going to need at least 2x the level of alumni participation. Another 3,000 alumni driving down to Peden Stadium every fall Saturday to fill the stands and donate to the Ohio Bobcat Club. Securing more large gifts that can renovate Peden into a modern football facility. The stadium already looks outdated from the work done on it in the 90's. 


Once Nelsonville's elimination is complete (i.e. when the bypass gets finished) I could see something close to that extra 3000 coming to pass.


Something I found striking is that only two FBS schools in the nation have a smaller seating capacity than Peden. Of course, to this point, there has been no reason to seat more because no one has ever been turned away for a game. Certainly, Ohio's capacity is more realistic than many other schools that have more seats but lower attendance. It would be nice for it to become necessary to make upgrades.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 11:10 AM
Speaking on one more point, OHIO is for the most part at the top of the MAC in athletic spending and about at the same level that Cincinnati was prior to joining the Big East. UC made a bunch of bowl games in the 5-10 years before moving to the Big East and then once in the Big East was able to recruit the type of player necessary to win a conference championship in that league. The new Big East has multiple teams in Texas and Florida to maximize recruiting and I can see where playing there would help this program. Also the Big East is looking to pay each of its members close to 10 million in TV money on its next contract. So yes Ohio would have to bump its coaching salaries for football and basketball over 1 million but the new revenue streams would pay for it. The school would have to spend 20 million on Peden to get up to Big East standards but again the TV money is in the pocket book. Moving up would be a chunk for Ohio to chew off but with the football and basketball programs humming along its chewable. There are schools in the BCS that don't even pay 1 million for their football or basketball coach so is not like we are entering into an arms race with Ohio State by moving to the Big East. Its just that all the MAC level players would then decide to play ball at Ohio instead of Miami or Bowling Green. I can't see much negative in that.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 1:19 PM
Both my parents are OU alumni, my dad posting on Bobcatattack was how I found it and my Mom was an athlete for OHIO.  Naturally, I followed the Bobcats long before I enrolled.  I'm a 4th year Senior now.  I definitely noticed a shift in interest towards the Ohio Bobcats over the last 4 years.  The average student, kids I never would expect to care about the Bobcats 4 years ago will ask me questions or start conversations about the Bobcats. (my fanhood is pretty obvious)...  This only became more obvious after OUr little run this year.  Seeing Kadeem Green in Courtside a year ago wouldn't have led to everyone who knew me asking who he was.  

Winning works wonders.

I know many write off the Temple game as purely the result of ESPN, but I'll disagree and add that game did wonders for this school.  The Marshall game generated a similar "buzz" around campus.  Both games had a great atmosphere in Peden and results that really made it impossible to write off the Bobcats.

Next year really looks promising.  Wish I wasn't graduating.

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Posted: 5/31/2012 1:41 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Both my parents are OU alumni, my dad posting on Bobcatattack was how I found it and my Mom was an athlete for OHIO.  Naturally, I followed the Bobcats long before I enrolled.  I'm a 4th year Senior now.  I definitely noticed a shift in interest towards the Ohio Bobcats over the last 4 years.  The average student, kids I never would expect to care about the Bobcats 4 years ago will ask me questions or start conversations about the Bobcats. (my fanhood is pretty obvious)...  This only became more obvious after OUr little run this year.  Seeing Kadeem Green in Courtside a year ago wouldn't have led to everyone who knew me asking who he was.  

Winning works wonders.

I know many write off the Temple game as purely the result of ESPN, but I'll disagree and add that game did wonders for this school.  The Marshall game generated a similar "buzz" around campus.  Both games had a great atmosphere in Peden and results that really made it impossible to write off the Bobcats.

Next year really looks promising.  Wish I wasn't graduating.



No no no, courtside needs to be on an athletic department no-go list.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 2:57 PM
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Hey Sitch:

As a student, could you give me some insight on the sentiment of the student body towards athletics? 


I've seen the student's support swing favorably in the direction of men's football and basketball during my time in Athens.

My freshman year (2008-09) both teams finished below .500. There was nothing to really get excited about. In most students eyes the 'Cats "sucked" and were simply playing their small part at the bottom of the college sports hierarchy.

But now the collective group of my peers in Athens are starting to see the Bobcats in a new light. They see us winning games on National TV, they see us beating recognizable names. All of a sudden these sports teams have given them something new to be proud of, a another reason to love Ohio University.

Now more than ever I've noticed students disassociating themselves with Ohio State (some to the point of what I believe is due hatred). I attribute this in large part to the new perception that we can compete with the "big boys". We're not a little brother.

There were only five times I've felt a genuine buzz on campus. Both stints in the NCAA Tourney ('10,'12), the Marshall game (2012), the Temple game (2012), and Gary Trent Day (2012). Four of those five took place this year. 

When you really think about our students showing up on a November Wednesday night in all black (pretty much because of word of mouth and some signage around campus) you have to be impressed. Relatively speaking, Temple wasn't anything special, we weren't hosting West Virginia or Pitt. The students want to be a part of something bigger and they're making the most out of what they have (some of the worst men's football and basketball schedules in the country). No other MAC student body could show that well on a weeknight, let alone coordinate an outfit. We couldn't have even done that just two years ago.

Casual support of Bobcat Athletics is at an all time high around here (ex. a student who doesn't go to football games at all brought up the Potato Bowl to me last night). There is so much more room for growth, but you can't expect this following to stay for long if all we have to get excited about are one way rivalries (currently Miami on the court/field and in the stands) and MAC opponents like directional Michigans, BG, Kent State and the like.

The casual fans/students are now willing to listen (maybe for the first time ever), they're not going to stay on the line for long. We need to make this a sales call. We need to give them a reason to buy in. These MAC opponents are not cutting it.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 3:36 PM
I fully agree. I feel as if after a while the students will be tired of us playing teams like Kent, EMU/CMU/WMU, etc. Hypothetically speaking, if we were to jump to the Big East I could see Temple and UC becoming immediate rivals. All season I would talk to students and they would talk about a genuine hatred for Temple, and it seems like where ever I turn I bump into someone from Cincinnati so I think that if anybody has a friend that goes to UC it could become a "friendly" rivalry. I honestly feel that there is starting to be a buzz around campus and I would hate to see the university squander it because academics and athletics are quarreling with each other. 
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Posted: 5/31/2012 3:46 PM
I agree with what Uncle Wes stated above.  I realize that people will argue we do not have the money to upgrade, but if we can find money to do other projects on campus including the talk last fall/winter of a $1 billion dollar improvement plan to the campus, we should be able to redirect some of that money into athletic upgrades including improvements to OUr facilities.  It is all a matter of priorities.

GO BOBCATS!
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Posted: 6/1/2012 9:50 AM
Sitch, Optimist: Great to get an on campus perspective. Also great to hear students are separating from OSU, and that the casual fan is paying attention. We have built a great foundation of potential followers, the next few years are critical to retaining and future growth.

Bball has grabbed a few marquee wins to suck fans into a weak MAC schedule. Time for FB to get one.

Also, is it just luck that our in conference sched is booty? We could have just as easily had Nill, Tol and Kent right? 
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Posted: 6/1/2012 12:31 PM
For the record, I don't think we will wind up in the Big East (and I'm not sure I would want to for that matter...probably would but, eh, I don't know). But here's an interesting article that has us as a part of a Big East contingency plan, albeit the worst-case-scenario contingency plan.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/5/23/3036808/college-conference-realignment-big-12-notre-dame-predictions-projections
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Posted: 6/1/2012 12:37 PM
I can definitely feel it getting less okay for students to wear Ohio State gear around town. You can check the OU memes page for hints of that.

The Situation wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=OUBob]
The casual fans/students are now willing to listen (maybe for the first time ever), they're not going to stay on the line for long. We need to make this a sales call. We need to give them a reason to buy in. These MAC opponents are not cutting it.


I think the LOVE just got goosebumps.
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Posted: 6/1/2012 6:45 PM
Pretty certain we have a BA ally running the memes page.   
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Posted: 6/1/2012 7:00 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Both my parents are OU alumni, my dad posting on Bobcatattack was how I found it and my Mom was an athlete for OHIO.  Naturally, I followed the Bobcats long before I enrolled.  I'm a 4th year Senior now.  I definitely noticed a shift in interest towards the Ohio Bobcats over the last 4 years.  The average student, kids I never would expect to care about the Bobcats 4 years ago will ask me questions or start conversations about the Bobcats. (my fanhood is pretty obvious)...  This only became more obvious after OUr little run this year.  Seeing Kadeem Green in Courtside a year ago wouldn't have led to everyone who knew me asking who he was.  

Winning works wonders.

I know many write off the Temple game as purely the result of ESPN, but I'll disagree and add that game did wonders for this school.  The Marshall game generated a similar "buzz" around campus.  Both games had a great atmosphere in Peden and results that really made it impossible to write off the Bobcats.

Next year really looks promising.  Wish I wasn't graduating.



No no no, courtside needs to be on an athletic department no-go list.

Based on what I've witnessed things have changed.  They got quick service and paid a very fair price that evening.
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Posted: 6/3/2012 3:49 AM
I'm thousands of miles and decade away from Athens and The Ohio University.  It's good to read that there is buzz.  Basketball has been intermittent over the years. But you have to remember that football had almost no good years (almost literally zero) between 1969 and 2006.  Think of the tens and tens of thousands who attended OHIO during those years--and who had no connection at all to football.

Now, think about those who've been in Athens over the last handful of years....a much difference experience.

GOTFRANK.

Amen.
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