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Posted: 3/27/2012 4:21 PM
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Posted: 5/5/2012 10:21 AM
Recent article in the Post pertaining to funding for the IPF:

 http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/multipurpose-funding-could-dip-general-fee
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Posted: 5/8/2012 10:47 AM
Do I read correctly that the total NUMBER of donors is hovering around 300 +/_?

That's a pretty embarrassing participation rate, if true.  I'd almost bet you could set up a card table in a Columbus mall some weekend and find 300 willing contributors.  You might collect only $300 but you might hit the jackpot, too.
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Posted: 5/11/2012 6:01 PM
Bobcatbob wrote:expand_more
Do I read correctly that the total NUMBER of donors is hovering around 300 +/_?

That's a pretty embarrassing participation rate, if true.  I'd almost bet you could set up a card table in a Columbus mall some weekend and find 300 willing contributors.  You might collect only $300 but you might hit the jackpot, too.


I know a bunch of people who would have contributed had they done two things 1) listened to the recommendations of the committee and 2) put in a track.  You can count some prominent OU alums among those folks.
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Posted: 5/11/2012 10:22 PM
I agree, Alan, I don't understand the lack of a track.  I think they've been thinking too "small time" when it comes to this facility.  I'd rather wait a year or so and have a decent facility than build it right away and have it not be as "multipurpose" as it could be.  Not sure what the rush is.  
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Posted: 5/13/2012 3:14 PM
I just love this reply from the comments section of the Post article:

Really?

“It’s not an athletics facility. It’s an academic facility,” she said. “It’s going to be used for the sports management and athletic training programs. The building is not going to be an athletic building; it’s a multipurpose center, so there’s nothing about it that will be solely used for athletics.”

This is no doubt how it went:

The Dean of the College of Health Sciences and Professions, and the Dean of the College of Business together visited Provost and Executive Vice President, and said, "We need an $11M multipurpose athletic facility as a top priority for our athletic training and sports management programs, respectively. We would also like Ohio Athletics to fund it solely with a capital fundraising campaign of their own. Then the Provost called the Director of Athletics to pitch the idea. He responded, "Great idea! Let's get the campaign going right away! The academic folks will want a football field and no track. I'm glad we're thinking along the same lines. We'll get 'er done."

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Posted: 5/15/2012 4:21 PM
I keep reading posts from people saying that the IPF should have a "track".

The problem is that you need to define what you mean by "track".
I've designed a number of running tracks and based on the size of building there are a number of
issues in putting one in the IPF.

1.if you want to have a regulation lenth football field  you can't fit a standard 1/8 mile (200 meter) indoor tack.
   The track is too small and will fall well inside the field's boundaries.For comparision a 200 meter track fits
   in most basketball / hockey arenas like Madison Square Garden.

2.To accomidate a standard 400 meter track,you'd need a building that's a minimum of 600' x 300'.To me that
    isn't practcile  
   
3.The indoor tracks i've seen in this area are "independent, that is they function soley for indoor track and field 
    events.In fact,people  put up "bubbles' with 1/8 mile tracks and rent out practice time to high schools.

4.I have seen schools set up 1/8 mile tracks for indoor track  training,but always outdoors.

Given the IPF's  demensional limitations which preclude providing either a 200 or 400 meter track,I think they could consider including a "straight- a way" along one or both sides of the IPF.
This would give an area for sprinters and hurdlers to train indoors.
Distance runners never seem to mind training outdoors.At least that's how it was when i ran track in college.

Just my $.02
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Posted: 5/15/2012 5:57 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
I keep reading posts from people saying that the IPF should have a "track".

The problem is that you need to define what you mean by "track".
I've designed a number of running tracks and based on the size of building there are a number of
issues in putting one in the IPF.

1.if you want to have a regulation lenth football field  you can't fit a standard 1/8 mile (200 meter) indoor tack.
   The track is too small and will fall well inside the field's boundaries.For comparision a 200 meter track fits
   in most basketball / hockey arenas like Madison Square Garden.

2.To accomidate a standard 400 meter track,you'd need a building that's a minimum of 600' x 300'.To me that
    isn't practcile  
   
3.The indoor tracks i've seen in this area are "independent, that is they function soley for indoor track and field 
    events.In fact,people  put up "bubbles' with 1/8 mile tracks and rent out practice time to high schools.

4.I have seen schools set up 1/8 mile tracks for indoor track  training,but always outdoors.

Given the IPF's  demensional limitations which preclude providing either a 200 or 400 meter track,I think they could consider including a "straight- a way" along one or both sides of the IPF.
This would give an area for sprinters and hurdlers to train indoors.
Distance runners never seem to mind training outdoors.At least that's how it was when i ran track in college.

Just my $.02


I don't know about that.  Akron has a pretty nice set-up.

http://www.gozips.com/athletics/facilities/stile
Last Edited: 5/15/2012 5:58:13 PM by Alan Swank
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Posted: 5/15/2012 9:53 PM
So much for practicing the fade route to the back pylon :) 
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Posted: 5/16/2012 8:05 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I keep reading posts from people saying that the IPF should have a "track".

The problem is that you need to define what you mean by "track".
I've designed a number of running tracks and based on the size of building there are a number of
issues in putting one in the IPF.

1.if you want to have a regulation lenth football field  you can't fit a standard 1/8 mile (200 meter) indoor tack.
   The track is too small and will fall well inside the field's boundaries.For comparision a 200 meter track fits
   in most basketball / hockey arenas like Madison Square Garden.

2.To accomidate a standard 400 meter track,you'd need a building that's a minimum of 600' x 300'.To me that
    isn't practcile  
   
3.The indoor tracks i've seen in this area are "independent, that is they function soley for indoor track and field 
    events.In fact,people  put up "bubbles' with 1/8 mile tracks and rent out practice time to high schools.

4.I have seen schools set up 1/8 mile tracks for indoor track  training,but always outdoors.

Given the IPF's  demensional limitations which preclude providing either a 200 or 400 meter track,I think they could consider including a "straight- a way" along one or both sides of the IPF.
This would give an area for sprinters and hurdlers to train indoors.
Distance runners never seem to mind training outdoors.At least that's how it was when i ran track in college.

Just my $.02


I don't know about that.  Akron has a pretty nice set-up.

http://www.gozips.com/athletics/facilities/stile


Alan,
No questuion Akron has a nice facility,but they don't have  the "regulation"  (200 meter or 400 meter) tracks I was talking about.
According to their description, the track is 300 meters.
There is no problem fitting a full lenth football field inside a 300 meter track's "oval".But the buiding has to be a minimum of  490' x 250' .
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Posted: 5/16/2012 8:53 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
I keep reading posts from people saying that the IPF should have a "track".

The problem is that you need to define what you mean by "track".
I've designed a number of running tracks and based on the size of building there are a number of
issues in putting one in the IPF.

1.if you want to have a regulation lenth football field  you can't fit a standard 1/8 mile (200 meter) indoor tack.
   The track is too small and will fall well inside the field's boundaries.For comparision a 200 meter track fits
   in most basketball / hockey arenas like Madison Square Garden.

2.To accomidate a standard 400 meter track,you'd need a building that's a minimum of 600' x 300'.To me that
    isn't practcile  
   
3.The indoor tracks i've seen in this area are "independent, that is they function soley for indoor track and field 
    events.In fact,people  put up "bubbles' with 1/8 mile tracks and rent out practice time to high schools.

4.I have seen schools set up 1/8 mile tracks for indoor track  training,but always outdoors.

Given the IPF's  demensional limitations which preclude providing either a 200 or 400 meter track,I think they could consider including a "straight- a way" along one or both sides of the IPF.
This would give an area for sprinters and hurdlers to train indoors.
Distance runners never seem to mind training outdoors.At least that's how it was when i ran track in college.

Just my $.02


I don't know about that.  Akron has a pretty nice set-up.

http://www.gozips.com/athletics/facilities/stile


Alan,
No questuion Akron has a nice facility,but they don't have  the "regulation"  (200 meter or 400 meter) tracks I was talking about.
According to their description, the track is 300 meters.
There is no problem fitting a full lenth football field inside a 300 meter track's "oval".But the buiding has to be a minimum of  490' x 250' .


So build it.  It this is really a multipurpose facility it should include a track.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 10:17 AM
To me, the determination on wether or not to include a track must be made on a "cost / benefit " approach.

I ran some rough numbers, based on similar types of projects I've done in the past 2 years.

To accomidate a full lenth football field the running track must be a minimum of 300 meters.

That adds at least,depending on the building's footprint, 42500 square feet of building area.That type of building is currently going for about  $75. a square foot in N.J. Figure $65 in Ohio,that's $ 2762500.00  

According to the company i work with in designing running tracks,for budget purposes you should figure about $48. a square yard for a "mid level" (college competition) resilient surface running track,with a standard 6" stone base. Assuming a standard 6 lane track ,the cost would be +/-  $226950.00

The question then becomes,is there enough benefit to justify adding close to 3 million dollars to the project's construction.Plus how much more it will cost to heat and cool almost 1 acre more of  building area.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 10:48 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
To me, the determination on wether or not to include a track must be made on a "cost / benefit " approach.

I ran some rough numbers, based on similar types of projects I've done in the past 2 years.

To accomidate a full lenth football field the running track must be a minimum of 300 meters.

That adds at least,depending on the building's footprint, 42500 square feet of building area.That type of building is currently going for about  $75. a square foot in N.J. Figure $65 in Ohio,that's $ 2762500.00  

According to the company i work with in designing running tracks,for budget purposes you should figure about $48. a square yard for a "mid level" (college competition) resilient surface running track,with a standard 6" stone base. Assuming a standard 6 lane track ,the cost would be +/-  $226950.00

The question then becomes,is there enough benefit to justify adding close to 3 million dollars to the project's construction.Plus how much more it will cost to heat and cool almost 1 acre more of  building area.


When asked I've been told it is another $3.5-4MM for the track, which supports your number.  And I think everyone would be thrilled to propose a track in the MPF if when the donor analysis was completed, it was thought that higher number could be achieved. (and we're seeing how difficult it is getting over the finish line with the current target)

Now to Alan's point, if it were a true multipurpose facility that more than just the University athletics support community could use (ex. Athens county and surrounding counties for conferences/special events/HS athletics and the like), and they felt they would directly benefit from the track and additional space, they should be lining up in droves to help support the construction.  To my knowledge that has not happened.

And now that I think about it, I would rather $3.5-4MM go into a practice facility for hoops/VB than into the MPF to add a track.  Would be ideal to add both, but lets face it, you need to spend money first on sports to which you can sell tickets, and there are many non-revenue sports that will benefit from the MPF as currently proposed.
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Posted: 5/16/2012 6:58 PM
Who would this track be for anyway, the general student population or for the athletes to train?  I'm all in favor of building the best possible facility upfront instead of looking back later and wishing we had built it, but we're just not even close to getting the funding at this point so looks like it's time to move on from the track idea.  
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Posted: 5/17/2012 5:19 AM
My son has participated in 7-on-7 scrimages at Akron's IPF and also the new stadium these past 2 years, and I feel both are top-notch facilities.  The IPF was great, however I do recall part of the endzone going onto the track.  Still, that was not a problem.

As for OUr IPF, I would love to see an indoor track.  Why?  Because it is easier to build it now and have it in the future, rather than wait and wish in the future we had built it.

Finally, if this is to be a "multipurpose community facility" then whatever other organizations/schools are going to use it should also be paying/contributing now.  Sorry, but if this place is being financed through donations then it should be used solely for athletics.
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Posted: 5/31/2012 8:35 AM
Yesterday, The University Advertised a Request For Qualifications (RFQ) for Architects/Engineering firms by June 15th.  Design to start in August.
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Posted: 6/1/2012 5:40 PM
Not to be stupid, which unfortunately comes naturally, but I thought they had the darn thing designed and once funding was in place were ready to build it.  If they are just now advertising for design work, it seems this MPC is not going to be ready by fall of 2013, as was originally proposed.  
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Not to be stupid, which unfortunately comes naturally, but I thought they had the darn thing designed and once funding was in place were ready to build it.  If they are just now advertising for design work, it seems this MPC is not going to be ready by fall of 2013, as was originally proposed.  


The previous designs were conceptual.  The RFQ that was advertised is for an Architect to prepare bid documents for a Design Build contract.  Design Build teams will then bid on the project. These bids would supposedly be due in August some time.  Once the successful Design Build team is under contract the final design will be completed and construction started.  Many times though the design build process can be fastracked meaning construction can start before the full design plans are completed.  This means an earlier completion date.  It is actually a smart move by the University for this type of building but all depends on how long each of these steps take.   Fall 2013 may be aggressive but you wouldn't really need it until October/November which would give you a couple more months.
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Posted: 6/14/2012 12:05 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I keep reading posts from people saying that the IPF should have a "track".

The problem is that you need to define what you mean by "track".
I've designed a number of running tracks and based on the size of building there are a number of
issues in putting one in the IPF.

1.if you want to have a regulation lenth football field  you can't fit a standard 1/8 mile (200 meter) indoor tack.
   The track is too small and will fall well inside the field's boundaries.For comparision a 200 meter track fits
   in most basketball / hockey arenas like Madison Square Garden.

2.To accomidate a standard 400 meter track,you'd need a building that's a minimum of 600' x 300'.To me that
    isn't practcile  
   
3.The indoor tracks i've seen in this area are "independent, that is they function soley for indoor track and field 
    events.In fact,people  put up "bubbles' with 1/8 mile tracks and rent out practice time to high schools.

4.I have seen schools set up 1/8 mile tracks for indoor track  training,but always outdoors.

Given the IPF's  demensional limitations which preclude providing either a 200 or 400 meter track,I think they could consider including a "straight- a way" along one or both sides of the IPF.
This would give an area for sprinters and hurdlers to train indoors.
Distance runners never seem to mind training outdoors.At least that's how it was when i ran track in college.

Just my $.02


I don't know about that.  Akron has a pretty nice set-up.

http://www.gozips.com/athletics/facilities/stile


Alan,
No questuion Akron has a nice facility,but they don't have  the "regulation"  (200 meter or 400 meter) tracks I was talking about.
According to their description, the track is 300 meters.
There is no problem fitting a full lenth football field inside a 300 meter track's "oval".But the buiding has to be a minimum of  490' x 250' .


So build it.  It this is really a multipurpose facility it should include a track.


BOTH Akron and Kent have an IPF with a 300 meter track around a football field.

Having a track would allow Ohio to host not only MAC Track meets, but HS and open meets.  

The track would not only benefit the Track team, but all the teams that would want a facility to do conditioning work during the Winter/Bad Weather.

You could also allow the students access to the facility/track during non-varsity practice times (as many schools do).

And YES, had a track been included there are over 1,000+ track alumni that might have considered donating.....

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Our family had already decided to support  this project, but the addition of a track adds value.
 
As I recall the initial plans, about one-third of the week day hours (noon to 6 p.m.) will be reserved for ICA programs. That leaves two-thirds for other uses -- ROTC and community early morning, classes until noon, 110 early evening and intramurals late evening. Multiple uses on the weekend.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 5:58 PM
I'm just flat out happy about the addition of a track to the IPF. It's a first-class choice and really goes in line with all of the positive changes seen athletically at this university. Without a track, we were really handicapping our potential growth as an athletic program. Now all options are back on the table.

McDavis and Schaus probably pushed hard for this. I can't thank them enough for that. I'm not sure how or where they got the student feedback mentioned in the article, but I can attest to the demand. A lot of friends I know, some indifferent toward athletics, thought the absence of a track in the IPF design was plain stupid.


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Posted: 7/17/2012 8:14 PM
Per Arkley on Twitter, funding goals have been reached and they are hoping to start construction in the fall.

Story should be on the Messenger website sometime tonight.
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