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Posted: 9/17/2012 3:15 PM
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93, I loved your thoughts, especially Solich's willingness to tweak the way he did things. How many other 60-year old coaches would be willing to go around the country, study what works and what doesn't, be honest with the weaknesses in his own philosophies and alter how he does things after he had so much success with the option? I can't think of many coaches who have ever done it.


I haven't been there lately......should go back.....but in the first 3 or 4 years of the Solich era the Nebraska forums were rampant with "he's the worst coach on the planet".

Always thought most Nebraska fans were smart.....hopefully that was a vocal minority....but I wonder.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 3:51 PM
Kinggeorge4 (George Cheripko) wrote:expand_more
I arrived on campus during the fall of 86.  I've only missed 5 home games since then.  I always went to the games expecting to win and cheered loudly. 


George,
If you arrived in the fall of '86 and expected to win over those years, well, my hat is off to you. I arrived in the fall of '85, and I can say my expectations were not of the winning variety.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 3:52 PM
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That confidence wasn't there for me until Tettleton became the starting quarterback. Nothing against the guys at the position before, but Ohio's program was a big-time quarterback away from ever taking that next step. The Ohio State game. The Tennessee game.  Those were winnable games where Ohio didn't have that playmaker who could extend drives with big throws in pressure situations. Those were really good football teams that simply couldn't get over the hump.


Hate to say I agree here, but I have to. Just kills me to say that because I really wish T3 would have got a shot against OSU.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 7:57 PM
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This is the reason why some schools tend to stay at the top of college football for years, while others can never quite get there, and one of the reasons why coaching changes can so easily disrupt a program. The new coach brings not only a new system, but perhaps a new culture, and a new culture doesn't just happen in a year or two.


This is one reason that I'm trying to soak up everything that's happening right now, because as much as the culture has changed, it can easily reverse course with a coaching change (or prez change).  Is Solich here for 5 more years?  Or just 1 more?  Will Albin take over?  Burrow?  Someone else?  What happens when McDavis is gone?  What about Schaus?

CMU was all world a few years ago, but they've since changed QB's and coaches a couple of times and where are they now?

For now, I'm enjoying the ride and hoping to go #1and0 again this weekend!


Been a little off the grid over the weekend and just started to read this thread this evening and was thinking about the bold/underline as I went from post to post.  It doesn't take long for it to unravel so live in the now, and Central really owned it for a while.  Thing is, they won a few MACC's while on top.

As an aside, I was on vacation over the weekend and had my Uptown Dog, old school logo t-shirt with block OHIO under the characiture of the bad ass, puffed up chest bobcat.  While walking down the street I had a seventy something guy sitting on the bench say to me: "nice year to own that shirt."  I said: "Every year is a good year to own this shirt.  We just happen to have had a couple great years in athletics."
Last Edited: 9/17/2012 8:03:10 PM by D.A.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 10:15 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
...I haven't been there lately......should go back.....but in the first 3 or 4 years of the Solich era the Nebraska forums were rampant with "he's the worst coach on the planet".

Always thought most Nebraska fans were smart.....hopefully that was a vocal minority....but I wonder.

Yes, they were always a vocal minority, but not a tiny minority.  Nebraska has always had some of that type of fan. In 1966-67 they wanted to fire Bob Devaney (won National Championships 1970-71). In the late 70's they wanted to fire Tom Osborne, who turned out OK, too. The difference with those two times, and with Solich was that at those times, Nebraska had an AD that backed the Coach, whereas Solich did not have that support, so in 2003 the vocal minority got their wish. Obviously it did not work out well for them.

Like you I haven't been back to those boards in a long time. If I had to guess, I doubt most would admit even today that they were wrong. Those types rarely will. My guess is that instead they probably claim that firing Solich was correct, that Solich might do OK at Ohio, but he would never have been to their standards at Nebraska, and that the only problem was that the AD just hired the wrong replacement. I do know some have learned a lesson, but I guarantee that not all of them have.

You never see that type of fan here, however, or, almost never. This is a really great group, and the players and coaches are luck to have them.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:50 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
...I haven't been there lately......should go back.....but in the first 3 or 4 years of the Solich era the Nebraska forums were rampant with "he's the worst coach on the planet".

Always thought most Nebraska fans were smart.....hopefully that was a vocal minority....but I wonder.

Yes, they were always a vocal minority, but not a tiny minority.  Nebraska has always had some of that type of fan. In 1966-67 they wanted to fire Bob Devaney (won National Championships 1970-71). In the late 70's they wanted to fire Tom Osborne, who turned out OK, too. The difference with those two times, and with Solich was that at those times, Nebraska had an AD that backed the Coach, whereas Solich did not have that support, so in 2003 the vocal minority got their wish. Obviously it did not work out well for them.

Like you I haven't been back to those boards in a long time. If I had to guess, I doubt most would admit even today that they were wrong. Those types rarely will. My guess is that instead they probably claim that firing Solich was correct, that Solich might do OK at Ohio, but he would never have been to their standards at Nebraska, and that the only problem was that the AD just hired the wrong replacement. I do know some have learned a lesson, but I guarantee that not all of them have.

You never see that type of fan here, however, or, almost never. This is a really great group, and the players and coaches are luck to have them.


Unfortunately, I think success breeds that type of fan. With sustained success, even Ohio will eventually have more fans who are not entirely reasonable. Your Nebraska story reminds me of Tennessee, where fans were recently screaming for Philip Fulmer's head. They eventually got his head, and what happened next? Lane Kiffin, and the beginning of Tennessee mediocrity that they are still digging out of.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:04 AM
This is a great thread.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:13 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
I arrived on campus during the fall of 86.  I've only missed 5 home games since then.  I always went to the games expecting to win and cheered loudly. 


George,
If you arrived in the fall of '86 and expected to win over those years, well, my hat is off to you. I arrived in the fall of '85, and I can say my expectations were not of the winning variety.


I came from a fairly successful high school football team.  Losing was new to me, but I always believe in my Bobcats.  Not saying it wasn't painful to watch.  I sat through the entire 5-0 loss to Utah St. or Utah (can't remember) in the driving rain cause we came close to scoring a td.  I never early and I arrive early.  Been waiting for these golden times, so glad to be here enjoying them.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:02 PM
You know what the best part about all of this is? We've got the NAME.

A lot of non-AQs that make a run at the BCS aren't name states outside of Utah and Hawaii. How awesome is that we're just called OHIO. Not Texas Christian. Not Ball State. Not Central Florida. Not Florida International. Not Lousiana Tech. Not Southern Mississippi.

That second name says a lot outside of the BCS conferences.

OHIO has the most potential out of any to be a brand name IMO.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:49 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
You know what the best part about all of this is? We've got the NAME.

A lot of non-AQs that make a run at the BCS aren't name states outside of Utah and Hawaii. How awesome is that we're just called OHIO. Not Texas Christian. Not Ball State. Not Central Florida. Not Florida International. Not Lousiana Tech. Not Southern Mississippi.

That second name says a lot outside of the BCS conferences.

OHIO has the most potential out of any to be a brand name IMO.
I agree 100%
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Posted: 9/18/2012 3:59 PM

GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
You know what the best part about all of this is? We've got the NAME.

A lot of non-AQs that make a run at the BCS aren't name states outside of Utah and Hawaii. How awesome is that we're just called OHIO. Not Texas Christian. Not Ball State. Not Central Florida. Not Florida International. Not Lousiana Tech. Not Southern Mississippi.

That second name says a lot outside of the BCS conferences.

OHIO has the most potential out of any to be a brand name IMO.

 

bingo

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Posted: 9/18/2012 4:37 PM
You have a great point there.  I'm sure that it took YEARS for Boise St to get any respect simply because it's in a small city in a small, out-of-the-way state.  Just the name "Boise" probably drew more than a few chuckles.
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