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Posted: 9/30/2012 2:42 AM
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I think Ohio is doing it right by playing Marshall, FCS, WAC/SunBelt, and taking a shot at a winnable BCS team like Cincinnati, Louisville or Pitt.   We aren't going for the national title. Just keep going to bowls each year and be that 11-2 each year that plays in the MAC title game each year.  Its working for us with these schedules where we have a good chance to be 3-1 non-conference most years. 
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Posted: 9/30/2012 11:06 AM
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While most schools have all of their sports in the same division, there are exceptions (all the ones I can think of off the top of my head are hockey).


There are other people who would know for sure, but the two sports that mostly have the waivered schools are hockey and lacrosse. Those are by specific NCAA rules. Another waivered school is Dallas Baptist, which is D-II in all sports but baseball (division I).


Someone please correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe the NCAA has suspended the rule suspension for hockey, but existing schools are grandfathered in. In other words, if you're normally non-D1 in your other sports you can't bump your hockey team into D1, but if your hockey team is already D1, it can stay.
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This thread's conversation has me thinking about questions more profound than possible reclassification of conferences.  To wit:
* How much longer till kickoffs are eliminated and possessions begin by placing the ball on the 20?

* How much longer till cut blocks are outlawed?

* How much longer till tackling at the knees or below is outlawed?

* How much longer till the three-point stance is eliminated?

* How much longer till football looks more like flag football?

* How much longer till college football begins to lose popularity?
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Posted: 9/30/2012 5:52 PM
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* How much longer till college football begins to lose popularity?
I think we'll see popularity fall nation-wide when the inevitable "head injury" lawsuits are front and center in the media.

It'll take, oh, call it 3 years for that to happen, and then another 2 or 3 for resolution and the obligatory revisions to the rules for safety... that will begin the decline.

In the meantime, Mom's won't let their kids START playing the sport, and so, oh 20 years later, we'll see less interest, because our addicted generation will start dying off.

The generations behind us all played soccer, so I expect TV programming will reflect their tastes.

You might think I'm wrong, but my Grandpa and I used to watch boxing every week, and I can't remember the last pro fight that was on national TV.

-john
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* How much longer till college football begins to lose popularity?


I think we'll see popularity fall nation-wide when the inevitable "head injury" lawsuits are front and center in the media.

It'll take, oh, call it 3 years for that to happen, and then another 2 or 3 for resolution and the obligatory revisions to the rules for safety... that will begin the decline.

In the meantime, Mom's won't let their kids START playing the sport, and so, oh 20 years later, we'll see less interest, because our addicted generation will start dying off.

The generations behind us all played soccer, so I expect TV programming will reflect their tastes.

You might think I'm wrong, but my Grandpa and I used to watch boxing every week, and I can't remember the last pro fight that was on national TV.

-john
I don't think you're wrong.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:35 AM
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I played soccer but I still love college football.  Then again, a lot of football players I know also love watching soccer.  There will be some head injury stories eventually in soccer too...  Moms see it as safe at 4 or 5, then you watch high school matches and there are full-blown head on head airborne collisions with no helmets...  The highest scorer on my high school team stopped playing after one year in college, partly due to the # of concussions he had.  And he was linebacker sized...
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Posted: 10/1/2012 11:19 AM
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bostonbobcat wrote:expand_more
While most schools have all of their sports in the same division, there are exceptions (all the ones I can think of off the top of my head are hockey).
Merrimack, St. Lawrence, Mercyhurst, Lake Superior St., Ferris St., Alaska, Alaska-Fairbanks, Alabama-Huntsville, St. Cloud St., Minnesota St., Bemidji St., Minn.-Duluth, pretty much all of Atlantic Hockey like Bentley, AIC.


I do believe that the reason for this is that a hockey championship is only supported by the NCAA at Division 1 now.  There were so few schools playing scholarship hockey that the schools that were offering scholarships at the Division 2 level have the option to play for the Division 1 championship and give out the Division 1 number of hockey scholarships as the maximum the school can offer.

I suspect that Lacrosse is the same sort of thing but I don't know.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 12:30 PM
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* How much longer till college football begins to lose popularity?


I think we'll see popularity fall nation-wide when the inevitable "head injury" lawsuits are front and center in the media.

It'll take, oh, call it 3 years for that to happen, and then another 2 or 3 for resolution and the obligatory revisions to the rules for safety... that will begin the decline.

In the meantime, Mom's won't let their kids START playing the sport, and so, oh 20 years later, we'll see less interest, because our addicted generation will start dying off.

The generations behind us all played soccer, so I expect TV programming will reflect their tastes.

You might think I'm wrong, but my Grandpa and I used to watch boxing every week, and I can't remember the last pro fight that was on national TV.

-john
I don't think you're wrong.


Lacrosse is building steam at all levels (youth through college) and awaiting this eventuality...

Some assume that it might suffer the same fate but the contact is of a different type than football...

As much as I love college football I can tell you from personal experience that lacrosse is an immensely more enjoyable sport to watch once you understand it... 
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I don't know about lacrosse taking the mantle. Not sure it is positioned for it... No real pro league to speak of (I know MLL exists, but the exposure doesn't compare), and at the HS level it seems regional and still not ubiquitous. Soccer is, and it is growing rapidly in popularity, to say nothing of the demographic changes in our country coming over the next 20 years.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 12:13 AM
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Football losing popularity is not    notnotnot     on the horizon.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 12:14 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Football losing popularity is not    notnotnot     on the horizon.


I agree ^^^^^ 

there maybe more changes to protect players but the game is not going anywhere. 

As to boxing, it has not declined due to violence, ultimate fighting took over its place, because boxing isn't violent enough.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 12:25 PM
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anorris wrote:expand_more
I don't know about lacrosse taking the mantle. Not sure it is positioned for it... No real pro league to speak of (I know MLL exists, but the exposure doesn't compare), and at the HS level it seems regional and still not ubiquitous. Soccer is, and it is growing rapidly in popularity, to say nothing of the demographic changes in our country coming over the next 20 years.


Agree it's still very regional Alex, but programs like Denver are pulling popularity west.  Also absolutely agree that at the professional level, soccer has much more exposure but I really believe that lacrosse's speed / scoring / contact (though less intense than football) give it a leg up on potential at all levels.  The pro level leaves a lot to be desired but it's still very new comparatively speaking. 
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Lacrosse is gaining in popularity but I think it has the same problems as hockey regarding TV coverage.  Just a tough sport to follow on TV with that little ball.  And, does anything athletically amazing ever happen in lacrosse?  What is the slow motion I gotta see that again highlight?  As far as I can tell, there's no "wow" play.  No dunk or insane twisting layup.  No home run.  No 101 mph fast ball.  No bicycle kick or bend it like Beckham goal.  No 70 yard TD pass/run/interception return/kick return.  Definitely a cool sport.  But, it has serious limits.

MLS now has higher average attendance than the NBA.  What's going on in Seattle is amazing.  It will do well in certain cities.  But....  could get into a long discussion on this topic.  I just don't see enough of America jumping on the bandwagon for tons of reasons.

The NFL will fall a bit for sure.  But, America just loves its football.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:03 PM
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I know few care but in case you do this is an excellent read...

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/04/will-lacrosse-ever-go-mainstream/255690/

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According to O'Neill, many of his friends who grew up on the cusp of lacrosse's current surge in popularity are now passing their love of the sport to their children. They are signing their kids up for scooper programs that can start as early as kindergarten and taking them to games. Recently a close friend of his was looking for a way to spend a Saturday afternoon with his children when he realized there was a lacrosse game taking place at the University of Maryland. So they went to Byrd Stadium, bought three tickets for less than $10 each and were able to watch a quality lacrosse game between two college teams ranked in the top 10. "They had a blast," O'Neill says. Experiences like that are where a love of a particular sport begins, and if more players who were on the front end of the current lacrosse boom pass the love of the game down to their children, the sport could grow exponentially over the next decade.

To the untrained eye, a lacrosse match may look like barely organized mayhem, but watch enough games and you are bound to witness the breathtaking athleticism displayed by its practitioners. While it still exists on the fringe—popular in certain areas of the country and somewhat unfamiliar in others—it is growing. US Lacrosse lists California and Ohio as two states with a significant concentration of youth players. In 2011 the University of Denver became the first university West of the Mississippi to make the Division I men's lacrosse semifinals and did so with a semblance of local talent.

 
Whether lacrosse can capitalize on its recent growth and morph into a major American sport that can rival one of the four major American team sports remains a question mark. Making a professional sports league work takes a lot more than a large potential fan base. But considering that the sport has grown so strongly at the grassroots level without the type of exposure that comes from a major world tournament, it would be foolish to overlook lacrosse's potential. If the sport's popularity continues to grow, there's no doubt the demand for televised lacrosse games and a more prominent professional league will follow.
Last Edited: 10/2/2012 1:12:55 PM by Bobcat36
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Even in the areas I've lived, Ohio and New England, I've found soccer far more largely played at the HS level. It isn't that I like soccer better (I find in intensely boring), but I feel that it is better positioned than any other sport at the moment. I think lacrosse has the potential, but I believe it is too far behind at the moment.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 7:33 PM
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I feel ya Alex...

Full diclosure...My Son plays at the the highschool level (I played soccer in highschool and in retrospect wish with every fiber that lacrosse had been an option).  It is immensely more popular here in Delaware than soccer is and is quickly approaching football.  You see tshirts everywhere reflecting as much and it's still a club sport here.

I guess time will prove it out but I can tell you this...It feeds the American need for scoring, speed and aggression without nearly as much risk of head injuries.  The culture of the sport is very attractive to kids as well.  I can't argue it's behind soccer at present, but I really think more kids will gravitate to it once exposed.  And I can guarantee you you'll never see a lacrosse player take a dive like you see far too often in soccer and basketball. 

 
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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:01 PM
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anorris wrote:expand_more
* How much longer till college football begins to lose popularity?


I think we'll see popularity fall nation-wide when the inevitable "head injury" lawsuits are front and center in the media.

It'll take, oh, call it 3 years for that to happen, and then another 2 or 3 for resolution and the obligatory revisions to the rules for safety... that will begin the decline.

In the meantime, Mom's won't let their kids START playing the sport, and so, oh 20 years later, we'll see less interest, because our addicted generation will start dying off.

The generations behind us all played soccer, so I expect TV programming will reflect their tastes.

You might think I'm wrong, but my Grandpa and I used to watch boxing every week, and I can't remember the last pro fight that was on national TV.

-john

I don't think you're wrong.


I think there is a lot of truth to this theory.  There was a big article about this in ESPN the Mag a few weeks ago.  Football will never fade as much as boxing, but I think the scenario outlined above is a very real factor.  It seems people are waiting for equipment improvements to come save the day, when that is just not possible when it comes to the brain.  50 years from now I could see football coming back down to similar popularity levels as baseball & basketball and soccer possibly elevated itself into those ranks.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:21 PM
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While most people spend their morning watching College Gameday, I am watching the English Premier League. Luckily I have the luxury of college football and my soccer not running together. If they were on at the same time...it'd be really tough to decide what I'd watch. Having watched soccer for a number of years now, I''ve noticed that the coverage of it in this country and the amount of people that follow it has immensely changed.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:24 PM
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MariettaCatFanatic wrote:expand_more
While most people spend their morning watching College Gameday, I am watching the English Premier League. Luckily I have the luxury of college football and my soccer not running together. If they were on at the same time...it'd be really tough to decide what I'd watch. Having watched soccer for a number of years now, I''ve noticed that the coverage of it in this country and the amount of people that follow it has immensely changed.


I'd sooner watch bowling than soccer on TV. Or rugby. Or cricket (traditional long form cricket). Or darts. Or paint dry. In person its more or less tolerable, but on TV...give me dressage.
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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:46 PM
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mf279801 wrote:expand_more
While most people spend their morning watching College Gameday, I am watching the English Premier League. Luckily I have the luxury of college football and my soccer not running together. If they were on at the same time...it'd be really tough to decide what I'd watch. Having watched soccer for a number of years now, I''ve noticed that the coverage of it in this country and the amount of people that follow it has immensely changed.


I'd sooner watch bowling than soccer on TV. Or rugby. Or cricket (traditional long form cricket). Or darts. Or paint dry. In person its more or less tolerable, but on TV...give me dressage.
I'm pretty much with you personally, but MCF's point on coverage and popularity is absolutely correct, and is definitely part of long-range plans in the TV sports industry, without a doubt.  The increasing Hispanic demographic in the country is also helping to fuel the increase.
Last Edited: 10/4/2012 1:46:51 PM by anorris
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Posted: 10/4/2012 3:59 PM
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    Back on topic, I just read somewhere that osu inc. has added a home-and-home w/ TCU in the not-too-distant future. I don't believe this is something they would have done under the old system.
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