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Posted: 12/17/2025 6:52 PM
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Per his lawyer's statement, guess we could add Brian Smith's name to the list. Can you sue for a temporary order to stop something like this?
The coach at Minnesota State actually got his job back after termination. It took him several years--no temporary restraining order. I doubt that it would happen in this situation, and a temporary restraining order wouldn't make sense.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/exiled-coach-retur... /
Perhaps the aggressive statement is just posturing for financial settlement and future employment avenues. The only successful injunctions regarding employment I can think of are recent cases regarding the Trump administration and federal employees, but can't imagine precedent there would affect this case.
I think there are unions with the power to step in and stop terminations/leaves when the result of an investigation is in doubt, but Smith's contract makes clear that he can be fired anytime.

All that's in debate now is if his firing is correctly considered "For Cause."
Agree. I'm kinda thinking out loud on some of these lol.
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Posted: 12/17/2025 6:56 PM
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I would entertain Nick Toth or Kevin Carberry. Hauser would be a great choice but I assume a building cleanse is coming. Doesn’t Nowinsky still have a residence I Athens? I think all four are capable and would be welcome.
I'd hate to see an entire building cleanse of the entire staff simply because of what resulted with Smith.

The only alternative choice I'd be okay with as new HC would be South Dakota State's Dan Jackson. I'd have to think Larscheid would be on the phone with him asap because of the Jackrabbit connection.
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Posted: 12/17/2025 8:04 PM
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I would entertain Nick Toth or Kevin Carberry. Hauser would be a great choice but I assume a building cleanse is coming. Doesn’t Nowinsky still have a residence I Athens? I think all four are capable and would be welcome.
His son still goes to Athens HS, so seems likely his family is still here.

That call might not be as difficult as I previously thought, but I very much want to hear from Bryant Haines.
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Posted: 12/17/2025 10:11 PM
I need more facts. 75% of CFB Coaches would be out. Business Executives by the thousands would be out. I know. I know. He violated his contract. Having a nip after a home W with your brotherhood? Joke if that is the only reason. It cannot be the sole reason.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 1:59 AM
Hauser with Izzy and Tettleton calling offense. Izzy named Associate Head Coach. Done. Somehow this amazing staff has held onto OUr players for the bowl game. That, in itself, deserves the promotions. Let's not get too cutesy and go for a reclamation project or an OC from a P5 that will leave us. And Spence had his chance. He left. Hauser stayed.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 7:09 AM
Tettleton also left, after about a month on Albin's staff. Screw him - I have zero interest in watching a team coached by TT.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 7:11 AM
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I would entertain Nick Toth or Kevin Carberry. Hauser would be a great choice but I assume a building cleanse is coming. Doesn’t Nowinsky still have a residence I Athens? I think all four are capable and would be welcome.
I'd hate to see an entire building cleanse of the entire staff simply because of what resulted with Smith.

The only alternative choice I'd be okay with as new HC would be South Dakota State's Dan Jackson. I'd have to think Larscheid would be on the phone with him asap because of the Jackrabbit connection.
Football alums are already pissed the University dipped to SDSU for our AD. It's a big issue right now.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 8:53 AM
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I would entertain Nick Toth or Kevin Carberry. Hauser would be a great choice but I assume a building cleanse is coming. Doesn’t Nowinsky still have a residence I Athens? I think all four are capable and would be welcome.
I'd hate to see an entire building cleanse of the entire staff simply because of what resulted with Smith.

The only alternative choice I'd be okay with as new HC would be South Dakota State's Dan Jackson. I'd have to think Larscheid would be on the phone with him asap because of the Jackrabbit connection.
Football alums are already pissed the University dipped to SDSU for our AD. It's a big issue right now.
Why are they pissed? South Dakota State has had recent success. Should everything revolve 1000% around alums, and not look for input elsewhere?
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Posted: 12/18/2025 8:57 AM
I'm curious, too. Hasn't SDSU won two national championships in the last 5 years or so?

What causes the outrage? Is the thinking that you need somebody who has seen how the funding mechanism works at the P5 level to have any hope of leveling us up?
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Posted: 12/18/2025 9:02 AM
Have we ever hired an AD with Ohio ties? Don't know about MAC, but Boeh, Hocutt, Schaus, Cromer...all outsiders. That's like 30 years worth.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 9:30 AM
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Have we ever hired an AD with Ohio ties? Don't know about MAC, but Boeh, Hocutt, Schaus, Cromer...all outsiders. That's like 30 years worth.
Is that something people *really* care about? Having an alum as AD? We've had a really strong run of AD's. Pretty strong athletic success. I can maybe see if we didn't.

Most of our alums at that level are the head of conferences, Steinbrecker (MAC), Doug Elgin (Missouri Valley), Butterly (Big West), Swofford (former ACC), LeCrone (Horizon), Michael Strickland is the SVP of the ACC, Chris Dawson Assoc Commish w/ Pac-12,

Mitch Barnhart is the AD at Kentucky. Mike Bohn was recently the AD at USC. Bernard Muir just resigned as the AD of Stanford, Jim Sterk has been the AD a handful of places. Douglas Knuth at Nevada. Brinker is in the NFL, Foley is the AD at U Florida, Gina Rosser and Mitch Mosser are at Duke, a lot of people sprinkled through athletic departments at Indiana and Ohio State... so they probably aren't even considering this role or not quite ready to lead an entire department.

There are a host of people in athletic departments, but being the athletic director of a university isn't exactly something you grow into, it's years of work leading to that point.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 9:58 AM
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I'm curious, too. Hasn't SDSU won two national championships in the last 5 years or so?

What causes the outrage? Is the thinking that you need somebody who has seen how the funding mechanism works at the P5 level to have any hope of leveling us up?
My understanding is many former players - primarily Bill Hess-era alums - felt that we were finally building something bigger. Following the choice of a younger AD from a smaller program, they have expressed their displeasure, both verbally and financially.

I've heard Slade is a great guy who is very dynamic and likeable.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 10:54 AM
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I'm curious, too. Hasn't SDSU won two national championships in the last 5 years or so?

What causes the outrage? Is the thinking that you need somebody who has seen how the funding mechanism works at the P5 level to have any hope of leveling us up?
My understanding is many former players - primarily Bill Hess-era alums - felt that we were finally building something bigger. Following the choice of a younger AD from a smaller program, they have expressed their displeasure, both verbally and financially.

I've heard Slade is a great guy who is very dynamic and likeable.
Those former players need to get off their high horses and give Slade a chance. We're not always going to get somebody from a Power Conference to join our staff.

Slade knows economics and how to run a business-like environment. Coming from a main pillar of FCS (South Dakota State is a pillar), we should just let the guy do his thing.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 11:30 AM
STVCastle wrote:expand_more
I'm curious, too. Hasn't SDSU won two national championships in the last 5 years or so?

What causes the outrage? Is the thinking that you need somebody who has seen how the funding mechanism works at the P5 level to have any hope of leveling us up?
My understanding is many former players - primarily Bill Hess-era alums - felt that we were finally building something bigger. Following the choice of a younger AD from a smaller program, they have expressed their displeasure, both verbally and financially.

I've heard Slade is a great guy who is very dynamic and likeable.
Those former players need to get off their high horses and give Slade a chance. We're not always going to get somebody from a Power Conference to join our staff.

Slade knows economics and how to run a business-like environment. Coming from a main pillar of FCS (South Dakota State is a pillar), we should just let the guy do his thing.
+1

Heaven forbid we'd want to turn the Ohio football program into something even greater than it currently is (a very good football program).

That being said I'm not sold on Dan Jackson just yet. His first year wasn't as good as the Jackrabbits were accustomed to recently. Though I'm sure a lot of that has to do with Jimmy Rogers taking most of the previous years' team to Washington State.
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Heaven forbid we'd want to turn the Ohio football program into something even greater than it currently is (a very good football program).
Can somebody:

1) Articulate what the plan was to turn the program into something greater than it is

and

2) How the new AD's plan differs?
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Posted: 12/18/2025 12:02 PM
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I would entertain Nick Toth or Kevin Carberry. Hauser would be a great choice but I assume a building cleanse is coming. Doesn’t Nowinsky still have a residence I Athens? I think all four are capable and would be welcome.
I'd hate to see an entire building cleanse of the entire staff simply because of what resulted with Smith.

The only alternative choice I'd be okay with as new HC would be South Dakota State's Dan Jackson. I'd have to think Larscheid would be on the phone with him asap because of the Jackrabbit connection.
Football alums are already pissed the University dipped to SDSU for our AD. It's a big issue right now.
Why are they pissed? South Dakota State has had recent success. Should everything revolve 1000% around alums, and not look for input elsewhere?
Where's the money coming from to hire someone bigger?
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Posted: 12/18/2025 12:31 PM
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Why are they pissed? South Dakota State has had recent success. Should everything revolve 1000% around alums, and not look for input elsewhere?
Where's the money coming from to hire someone bigger?
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Posted: 12/18/2025 1:29 PM
I wish Stoops would consider for obvious reasons. His severance agreement was $37.7 million. A lump sum of about $3.9 million was due within 15 days of his December 1, 2025, separation with ongoing payments of roughly $6.75 million quarterly each year through April 1, 2031.

And...he has no risk taking another head coaching job. UK must pay him the full amount regardless of his future earnings

Keeps him in ball and could lead to another gig 2-3 years down the road IF he wins at OHIO.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 1:42 PM
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- Hauser... would they ask him to coach on an interim basis for an entire season, while they await a bigger candidate pool? Can't say I'd be eager to sign on for that, though it sure beats unemployment.


- Bryant Haines, DC at Indiana - From right outside Columbus. All-MAC at Ball State. Put together a really impressive defense in Bloomington. Just named assistant of the year. A big swing, but he's available. And so are we.

- Spense, DC New Mexico - I'd kick the tires on Spense, for sure.

- TETTLETIME, WR Coach Jacksonville Jaguars - I'd bring in Tettleton as Offensive Coordinator. Maybe even see if he's ready to jump in with both feet as Head Coach. These days you gotta take a big swing and a young eager coach will fire up everyone. Also won't hurt with alumni relations.

- Dan Jackson, HC SDSU - I bet Lars wants to talk to Dan to gauge his interest. He also spent some time at NIU. (Vandy, Idaho as well)

- Mike Shananahan (not that one), OC at Indiana - Was brought up as a potential hire for Toledo. Has really done wonders with Cig at JMU and IU.

- Deland McCullough, RB Coach Las Vegas Raiders - Julie interviewed him the last cycle. Spent some time at Notre Dame. Won a ring as the RB coach with Kansas City.

- Mike Denbrock, OC Notre Dame - I believe Julie also interviewed him the last cycle. His name has been kicked around a few times regarding G5 jobs. Doesn't have one though, likely because of those beautiful golden handcuffs. A $2.1M coordinator role sounds like a dream.
Haines has just signed a new contract so he’s not available. Shanahan just signed a new deal today so he’s not available either. Truth is, almost every p-4 coordinator is making way more (1 1/2 to 4 times) what we were paying Smith. Why would they go to a G6 with as little money as we currently have?
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. . .I've heard Slade is a great guy who is very dynamic and likeable.
I've met him, and I would concur with these assessments.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 4:07 PM
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- Hauser... would they ask him to coach on an interim basis for an entire season, while they await a bigger candidate pool? Can't say I'd be eager to sign on for that, though it sure beats unemployment.


- Bryant Haines, DC at Indiana - From right outside Columbus. All-MAC at Ball State. Put together a really impressive defense in Bloomington. Just named assistant of the year. A big swing, but he's available. And so are we.

- Spense, DC New Mexico - I'd kick the tires on Spense, for sure.

- TETTLETIME, WR Coach Jacksonville Jaguars - I'd bring in Tettleton as Offensive Coordinator. Maybe even see if he's ready to jump in with both feet as Head Coach. These days you gotta take a big swing and a young eager coach will fire up everyone. Also won't hurt with alumni relations.

- Dan Jackson, HC SDSU - I bet Lars wants to talk to Dan to gauge his interest. He also spent some time at NIU. (Vandy, Idaho as well)

- Mike Shananahan (not that one), OC at Indiana - Was brought up as a potential hire for Toledo. Has really done wonders with Cig at JMU and IU.

- Deland McCullough, RB Coach Las Vegas Raiders - Julie interviewed him the last cycle. Spent some time at Notre Dame. Won a ring as the RB coach with Kansas City.

- Mike Denbrock, OC Notre Dame - I believe Julie also interviewed him the last cycle. His name has been kicked around a few times regarding G5 jobs. Doesn't have one though, likely because of those beautiful golden handcuffs. A $2.1M coordinator role sounds like a dream.
Haines has just signed a new contract so he’s not available. Shanahan just signed a new deal today so he’s not available either. Truth is, almost every p-4 coordinator is making way more (1 1/2 to 4 times) what we were paying Smith. Why would they go to a G6 with as little money as we currently have?
Same reason Hartline would go to USF.

Some people, while making a lot of cash as a coordinator, are just waiting for their first offer to be the head coach somewhere. Can be seen as a strategic move, positioning them to build their own program for the very first time and potentially move up to bigger jobs in the future.

I certainly don’t think we’re high on a lot of lists, especially if you’re making $2M as a coordinator, but what we can offer is a path forward, with a historically strong G5 football program in a recruiting rich state. The hottest coordinater in the game is probably out of reach, but for others we can offer opportunity.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 4:08 PM
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- Hauser... would they ask him to coach on an interim basis for an entire season, while they await a bigger candidate pool? Can't say I'd be eager to sign on for that, though it sure beats unemployment.


- Bryant Haines, DC at Indiana - From right outside Columbus. All-MAC at Ball State. Put together a really impressive defense in Bloomington. Just named assistant of the year. A big swing, but he's available. And so are we.

- Spense, DC New Mexico - I'd kick the tires on Spense, for sure.

- TETTLETIME, WR Coach Jacksonville Jaguars - I'd bring in Tettleton as Offensive Coordinator. Maybe even see if he's ready to jump in with both feet as Head Coach. These days you gotta take a big swing and a young eager coach will fire up everyone. Also won't hurt with alumni relations.

- Dan Jackson, HC SDSU - I bet Lars wants to talk to Dan to gauge his interest. He also spent some time at NIU. (Vandy, Idaho as well)

- Mike Shananahan (not that one), OC at Indiana - Was brought up as a potential hire for Toledo. Has really done wonders with Cig at JMU and IU.

- Deland McCullough, RB Coach Las Vegas Raiders - Julie interviewed him the last cycle. Spent some time at Notre Dame. Won a ring as the RB coach with Kansas City.

- Mike Denbrock, OC Notre Dame - I believe Julie also interviewed him the last cycle. His name has been kicked around a few times regarding G5 jobs. Doesn't have one though, likely because of those beautiful golden handcuffs. A $2.1M coordinator role sounds like a dream.
Haines has just signed a new contract so he’s not available. Shanahan just signed a new deal today so he’s not available either. Truth is, almost every p-4 coordinator is making way more (1 1/2 to 4 times) what we were paying Smith. Why would they go to a G6 with as little money as we currently have?
Same reason Hartline would go to USF.

Some people, while making a lot of cash as a coordinator, are just waiting for their first offer to be the head coach somewhere. Can be seen as a strategic move, positioning them to build their own program for the very first time and potentially move up to bigger jobs in the future.

I certainly don’t think we’re high on a lot of lists, especially if you’re making $2M as a coordinator, but what we can offer is a path forward, with a historically strong G5 football program in a recruiting rich state. The hottest coordinater in the game is probably out of reach, but for others we can offer opportunity.
USF is going to pay him more than he was making at OSU though. Ohio won't be able to do that.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 5:21 PM
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- Hauser... would they ask him to coach on an interim basis for an entire season, while they await a bigger candidate pool? Can't say I'd be eager to sign on for that, though it sure beats unemployment.


- Bryant Haines, DC at Indiana - From right outside Columbus. All-MAC at Ball State. Put together a really impressive defense in Bloomington. Just named assistant of the year. A big swing, but he's available. And so are we.

- Spense, DC New Mexico - I'd kick the tires on Spense, for sure.

- TETTLETIME, WR Coach Jacksonville Jaguars - I'd bring in Tettleton as Offensive Coordinator. Maybe even see if he's ready to jump in with both feet as Head Coach. These days you gotta take a big swing and a young eager coach will fire up everyone. Also won't hurt with alumni relations.

- Dan Jackson, HC SDSU - I bet Lars wants to talk to Dan to gauge his interest. He also spent some time at NIU. (Vandy, Idaho as well)

- Mike Shananahan (not that one), OC at Indiana - Was brought up as a potential hire for Toledo. Has really done wonders with Cig at JMU and IU.

- Deland McCullough, RB Coach Las Vegas Raiders - Julie interviewed him the last cycle. Spent some time at Notre Dame. Won a ring as the RB coach with Kansas City.

- Mike Denbrock, OC Notre Dame - I believe Julie also interviewed him the last cycle. His name has been kicked around a few times regarding G5 jobs. Doesn't have one though, likely because of those beautiful golden handcuffs. A $2.1M coordinator role sounds like a dream.
Haines has just signed a new contract so he’s not available. Shanahan just signed a new deal today so he’s not available either. Truth is, almost every p-4 coordinator is making way more (1 1/2 to 4 times) what we were paying Smith. Why would they go to a G6 with as little money as we currently have?
Same reason Hartline would go to USF.

Some people, while making a lot of cash as a coordinator, are just waiting for their first offer to be the head coach somewhere. Can be seen as a strategic move, positioning them to build their own program for the very first time and potentially move up to bigger jobs in the future.

I certainly don’t think we’re high on a lot of lists, especially if you’re making $2M as a coordinator, but what we can offer is a path forward, with a historically strong G5 football program in a recruiting rich state. The hottest coordinater in the game is probably out of reach, but for others we can offer opportunity.

Hartline comparison is not exactly a good one. He’s going to make somewhere between 2.5 mil and 5 mil. That has nothing to do with our case. There’s no doubt some coaches would want to run their own show, but the pay they make to come here is not enough if it’s going to be less than 50% of what they’re making now.

While Ohio has done pretty well over the last 20 years or so, it’s hard to see how we’re going to be able to keep up, money wise, with many other G-6 schools that have more financial support. Maybe that will change, and I hope it will, but I’m sure how that would happen.
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Posted: 12/18/2025 7:00 PM
I guess the question when thinking about another staff is how much meat is there left on the bone recruiting wise? Ohio was second in the MAC this year with a freshman class rating of 84.89 (BG was #1 at 84.98) in 24/7. Ohio finished a little outside the Top 10 of the G6 classes.

Tulane 86.34
Oregon St. 86.27
Boise St. 86.11
Texas St. 85.73
USF 85.72
Memphis 85.71
UNLV 85.70
App St. 85.65
So. Miss 85.49
Colorado St. 85.40

In this list both UNLV and Memphis spent out to the maximum in revenue share rosters for a little better recruiting than Ohio had but not by that much. While cleaning up in-state recruiting is great the pattern of the top schools is strong out-of-state pipelines be it California, Texas or across the south. The move to a 105 man roster could help out here and pitch the MAC's midweek TV deal for visibility.

Its unclear then to me if Ohio would benefit more by spending on an external coach or give Hauser and the present staff a chance if recruiting can't be too much better than what it already is.
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- Hauser... would they ask him to coach on an interim basis for an entire season, while they await a bigger candidate pool? Can't say I'd be eager to sign on for that, though it sure beats unemployment.


- Bryant Haines, DC at Indiana - From right outside Columbus. All-MAC at Ball State. Put together a really impressive defense in Bloomington. Just named assistant of the year. A big swing, but he's available. And so are we.

- Spense, DC New Mexico - I'd kick the tires on Spense, for sure.

- TETTLETIME, WR Coach Jacksonville Jaguars - I'd bring in Tettleton as Offensive Coordinator. Maybe even see if he's ready to jump in with both feet as Head Coach. These days you gotta take a big swing and a young eager coach will fire up everyone. Also won't hurt with alumni relations.

- Dan Jackson, HC SDSU - I bet Lars wants to talk to Dan to gauge his interest. He also spent some time at NIU. (Vandy, Idaho as well)

- Mike Shananahan (not that one), OC at Indiana - Was brought up as a potential hire for Toledo. Has really done wonders with Cig at JMU and IU.

- Deland McCullough, RB Coach Las Vegas Raiders - Julie interviewed him the last cycle. Spent some time at Notre Dame. Won a ring as the RB coach with Kansas City.

- Mike Denbrock, OC Notre Dame - I believe Julie also interviewed him the last cycle. His name has been kicked around a few times regarding G5 jobs. Doesn't have one though, likely because of those beautiful golden handcuffs. A $2.1M coordinator role sounds like a dream.
Haines has just signed a new contract so he’s not available. Shanahan just signed a new deal today so he’s not available either. Truth is, almost every p-4 coordinator is making way more (1 1/2 to 4 times) what we were paying Smith. Why would they go to a G6 with as little money as we currently have?
Same reason Hartline would go to USF.

Some people, while making a lot of cash as a coordinator, are just waiting for their first offer to be the head coach somewhere. Can be seen as a strategic move, positioning them to build their own program for the very first time and potentially move up to bigger jobs in the future.

I certainly don’t think we’re high on a lot of lists, especially if you’re making $2M as a coordinator, but what we can offer is a path forward, with a historically strong G5 football program in a recruiting rich state. The hottest coordinater in the game is probably out of reach, but for others we can offer opportunity.

Hartline comparison is not exactly a good one. He’s going to make somewhere between 2.5 mil and 5 mil. That has nothing to do with our case. There’s no doubt some coaches would want to run their own show, but the pay they make to come here is not enough if it’s going to be less than 50% of what they’re making now.

While Ohio has done pretty well over the last 20 years or so, it’s hard to see how we’re going to be able to keep up, money wise, with many other G-6 schools that have more financial support. Maybe that will change, and I hope it will, but I’m sure how that would happen.
Did Cignetti take a paycut to go from Alabama to IUPUI? My guess is yes, and he would tell an assistant to do the same if it were necessary. Coaches who want to be head coaches will be head coaches.
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