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Posted: 10/6/2012 8:23 PM
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I was impressed with their playcalling. 
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I was too. They have a lot of options, and mix it up well - quick and often seamless. I was confused with who had the ball Multiple times. However, the team made a lot of mistakes. The case could be made that their mistakes (couple stupid penalties, TO's, not catching that punt) gave the game to us. 
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I really don't like saying it but I thought that only one coaching staff came to Peden today intent on doing whatever it took to win the game and but for some stupid turnovers they would have.. 
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I really don't like saying it but I thought that only one coaching staff came to Peden today intent on doing whatever it took to win the game and but for some stupid turnovers they would have.. 


WHAT, REALLY.  NOT WORTHY OF COMMENT.
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When you're the underdog, playing on the road and don't have all your weapons or the caliber of weapons on the other side of the field, you use every page of the playbook.  The only call by Ohio that I would question was the fake FG.  You don't fake a FG after calling a TO to discuss it.  Gives the defense too much time to think about it.  Other than that, I thought Ohio called the game well.  This team has been slow starting in five of the first six games, and has been outscored 52-17 in those games.  That seems to be part of their character to get behind early and comeback.  And I'm not sure we have the personnel we've had in the past to do some trickeration.
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I don't know.  We had to know that Zordich runs a lot.  Didn't we see on film (didn't they use)  some of that faking, then qb kept it in other games?  On one play in the first half KMoore seemed to be spying Zordich and, so, stopped him.  Could we have done that more?
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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:42 AM
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I'd be curious to know if the fake was a call or a decision due to a less than optimal snap. Would be curious to know if that was addressed post-game.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:46 AM
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I was impressed with their playcalling. 


Good coaches with not very good players. If they can learn how to recruit, look out.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 6:50 AM
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I was impressed with their playcalling. 


Good coaches with not very good players. If they can learn how to recruit, look out.


UB has good players. Oliver and his line. Neutz leads the MAC in TD receptions would play for Ohio. Their def that is a sack/tfl machine. Good players  all not just blue smoke and mirrors.  Believe it, UB was outcoached by Ohio.
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Indeed, Buffalo has good players. Whether you like Gill or not, he was an excellent recruiter at Buffalo, and the upperclassmen now are players he recruited. With the players they have, like Mack, it surprises me they don't win more games.
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When you're the underdog, playing on the road and don't have all your weapons or the caliber of weapons on the other side of the field, you use every page of the playbook.  The only call by Ohio that I would question was the fake FG.  You don't fake a FG after calling a TO to discuss it.  Gives the defense too much time to think about it.  Other than that, I thought Ohio called the game well.  This team has been slow starting in five of the first six games, and has been outscored 52-17 in those games.  That seems to be part of their character to get behind early and comeback.  And I'm not sure we have the personnel we've had in the past to do some trickeration.


You wouldn't question our not kicking the FG with 4th and 7 late in the game? That call still boggles my mind.
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When you're the underdog, playing on the road and don't have all your weapons or the caliber of weapons on the other side of the field, you use every page of the playbook.  The only call by Ohio that I would question was the fake FG.  You don't fake a FG after calling a TO to discuss it.  Gives the defense too much time to think about it.  Other than that, I thought Ohio called the game well.  This team has been slow starting in five of the first six games, and has been outscored 52-17 in those games.  That seems to be part of their character to get behind early and comeback.  And I'm not sure we have the personnel we've had in the past to do some trickeration.


You wouldn't question our not kicking the FG with 4th and 7 late in the game? That call still boggles my mind.


It was 4th and 7 at their 23, which would make it a 40 yd FG.  Weller's only been so-so from beyond 30 this season (6 of 12).  With the way special teams has been this season, there was a good chance of a block; I'm not sure anybody has much confidence in the blocking schemes for special teams right now.  And there was only about 2:00 to go and Buffalo was out of timeouts.  With a two TD lead and them needing to go 77 yards just to get one TD behind, I'd turn that over to the defense in a heartbeat.  Remember, Buffalo's three previous drives netted them about 60 yards total.  They weren't moving the ball well against our defense at all.  The only thing I would have done differently would be to let the play clock run down, call a timeout and then run the 4th down play.  Would've taken a few extra seconds off the game clock.
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When you're the underdog, playing on the road and don't have all your weapons or the caliber of weapons on the other side of the field, you use every page of the playbook.  The only call by Ohio that I would question was the fake FG.  You don't fake a FG after calling a TO to discuss it.  Gives the defense too much time to think about it.  Other than that, I thought Ohio called the game well.  This team has been slow starting in five of the first six games, and has been outscored 52-17 in those games.  That seems to be part of their character to get behind early and comeback.  And I'm not sure we have the personnel we've had in the past to do some trickeration.


You wouldn't question our not kicking the FG with 4th and 7 late in the game? That call still boggles my mind.


It was 4th and 7 at their 23, which would make it a 40 yd FG.  Weller's only been so-so from beyond 30 this season (6 of 12).  With the way special teams has been this season, there was a good chance of a block; I'm not sure anybody has much confidence in the blocking schemes for special teams right now.  And there was only about 2:00 to go and Buffalo was out of timeouts.  With a two TD lead and them needing to go 77 yards just to get one TD behind, I'd turn that over to the defense in a heartbeat.  Remember, Buffalo's three previous drives netted them about 60 yards total.  They weren't moving the ball well against our defense at all.  The only thing I would have done differently would be to let the play clock run down, call a timeout and then run the 4th down play.  Would've taken a few extra seconds off the game clock.


Can't agree with that at all. Weller just earlier hit one from 48 that would have been good for 60+. Chance of block, Way lower than Weller missing - best in the country - use him there. As it played out we saw this was not a good decision - a TO on that onside kick and if they scrambled and get the ball into the endzone - they could go for 2 and win the game. The ONLY way too eliminate that possible outcome would be by kicking that field goal - they would have to score 3, not 2 times.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 10:47 AM
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If Zordich could throw the ball accurately on more than just swing passes, Buffalo would be a good team and probably wins yesterday's game. That's not a knock on Zordich. It's tough to find a big, effective read-option quarterback who also puts the ball on the money downfield.
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When you're the underdog, playing on the road and don't have all your weapons or the caliber of weapons on the other side of the field, you use every page of the playbook.  The only call by Ohio that I would question was the fake FG.  You don't fake a FG after calling a TO to discuss it.  Gives the defense too much time to think about it.  Other than that, I thought Ohio called the game well.  This team has been slow starting in five of the first six games, and has been outscored 52-17 in those games.  That seems to be part of their character to get behind early and comeback.  And I'm not sure we have the personnel we've had in the past to do some trickeration.


You wouldn't question our not kicking the FG with 4th and 7 late in the game? That call still boggles my mind.


It was 4th and 7 at their 23, which would make it a 40 yd FG.  Weller's only been so-so from beyond 30 this season (6 of 12).  With the way special teams has been this season, there was a good chance of a block; I'm not sure anybody has much confidence in the blocking schemes for special teams right now.  And there was only about 2:00 to go and Buffalo was out of timeouts.  With a two TD lead and them needing to go 77 yards just to get one TD behind, I'd turn that over to the defense in a heartbeat.  Remember, Buffalo's three previous drives netted them about 60 yards total.  They weren't moving the ball well against our defense at all.  The only thing I would have done differently would be to let the play clock run down, call a timeout and then run the 4th down play.  Would've taken a few extra seconds off the game clock.


Can't agree with that at all. Weller just earlier hit one from 48 that would have been good for 60+. Chance of block, Way lower than Weller missing - best in the country - use him there. As it played out we saw this was not a good decision - a TO on that onside kick and if they scrambled and get the ball into the endzone - they could go for 2 and win the game. The ONLY way too eliminate that possible outcome would be by kicking that field goal - they would have to score 3, not 2 times.


If we miss the FG attempt, no harm done. The worst scenario is a block, as you said, but I would think our kicking team is confident enough to take the field and not allow a block. To me, there's no more risk in the FG attempt as a turnover on a 4th and 7 attempt. There was too much upside in hitting that FG not to make the effort.
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When you're the underdog, playing on the road and don't have all your weapons or the caliber of weapons on the other side of the field, you use every page of the playbook.  The only call by Ohio that I would question was the fake FG.  You don't fake a FG after calling a TO to discuss it.  Gives the defense too much time to think about it.  Other than that, I thought Ohio called the game well.  This team has been slow starting in five of the first six games, and has been outscored 52-17 in those games.  That seems to be part of their character to get behind early and comeback.  And I'm not sure we have the personnel we've had in the past to do some trickeration.


You wouldn't question our not kicking the FG with 4th and 7 late in the game? That call still boggles my mind.


It was 4th and 7 at their 23, which would make it a 40 yd FG.  Weller's only been so-so from beyond 30 this season (6 of 12).  With the way special teams has been this season, there was a good chance of a block; I'm not sure anybody has much confidence in the blocking schemes for special teams right now.  And there was only about 2:00 to go and Buffalo was out of timeouts.  With a two TD lead and them needing to go 77 yards just to get one TD behind, I'd turn that over to the defense in a heartbeat.  Remember, Buffalo's three previous drives netted them about 60 yards total.  They weren't moving the ball well against our defense at all.  The only thing I would have done differently would be to let the play clock run down, call a timeout and then run the 4th down play.  Would've taken a few extra seconds off the game clock.


Can't agree with that at all. Weller just earlier hit one from 48 that would have been good for 60+. Chance of block, Way lower than Weller missing - best in the country - use him there. As it played out we saw this was not a good decision - a TO on that onside kick and if they scrambled and get the ball into the endzone - they could go for 2 and win the game. The ONLY way too eliminate that possible outcome would be by kicking that field goal - they would have to score 3, not 2 times.


Awful lot of "ifs" there. Let's look at what really happened instead.  It was a wise decision and if you want to second-guess it, fine.  But it turned out ok, so why bother?  I'm ready to move on.  If you can't, that's up to you. 
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When you're the underdog, playing on the road and don't have all your weapons or the caliber of weapons on the other side of the field, you use every page of the playbook.  The only call by Ohio that I would question was the fake FG.  You don't fake a FG after calling a TO to discuss it.  Gives the defense too much time to think about it.  Other than that, I thought Ohio called the game well.  This team has been slow starting in five of the first six games, and has been outscored 52-17 in those games.  That seems to be part of their character to get behind early and comeback.  And I'm not sure we have the personnel we've had in the past to do some trickeration.


You wouldn't question our not kicking the FG with 4th and 7 late in the game? That call still boggles my mind.


It was 4th and 7 at their 23, which would make it a 40 yd FG.  Weller's only been so-so from beyond 30 this season (6 of 12).  With the way special teams has been this season, there was a good chance of a block; I'm not sure anybody has much confidence in the blocking schemes for special teams right now.  And there was only about 2:00 to go and Buffalo was out of timeouts.  With a two TD lead and them needing to go 77 yards just to get one TD behind, I'd turn that over to the defense in a heartbeat.  Remember, Buffalo's three previous drives netted them about 60 yards total.  They weren't moving the ball well against our defense at all.  The only thing I would have done differently would be to let the play clock run down, call a timeout and then run the 4th down play.  Would've taken a few extra seconds off the game clock.


Can't agree with that at all. Weller just earlier hit one from 48 that would have been good for 60+. Chance of block, Way lower than Weller missing - best in the country - use him there. As it played out we saw this was not a good decision - a TO on that onside kick and if they scrambled and get the ball into the endzone - they could go for 2 and win the game. The ONLY way too eliminate that possible outcome would be by kicking that field goal - they would have to score 3, not 2 times.


Awful lot of "ifs" there. Let's look at what really happened instead.  It was a wise decision and if you want to second-guess it, fine.  But it turned out ok, so why bother?  I'm ready to move on.  If you can't, that's up to you. 


Faulty logic. The final result in no way "proves" it was a "wise decision". There are a lot of decisions made through the course of the game, good and bad, and a ton more good than bad or we would not be 6-0. I want to stay undefeated, the margin for error is slimmer every week (especially due to the injuries scenario). I noted elsewhere that I thought we should have attempted to go for a score at the end of the first half instead of just running the last minute off the clock (note what O$U did vs Nebraska last night at end of H1). Two opportunities to stick a dagger in we decided to dodge and kept them alive longer into the game. I think that is worth noting, getting a little "bothered" about................. 
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 Can't agree with that at all. Weller just earlier hit one from 48 that would have been good for 60+. Chance of block, Way lower than Weller missing - best in the country - use him there. As it played out we saw this was not a good decision - a TO on that onside kick and if they scrambled and get the ball into the endzone - they could go for 2 and win the game. The ONLY way too eliminate that possible outcome would be by kicking that field goal - they would have to score 3, not 2 times.  


Doing "what ifs" about how we could have lost a game that we won.  If this doesn't signal "culture change," I don't know what does.  Go OHIO!
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 Can't agree with that at all. Weller just earlier hit one from 48 that would have been good for 60+. Chance of block, Way lower than Weller missing - best in the country - use him there. As it played out we saw this was not a good decision - a TO on that onside kick and if they scrambled and get the ball into the endzone - they could go for 2 and win the game. The ONLY way too eliminate that possible outcome would be by kicking that field goal - they would have to score 3, not 2 times.  


Doing "what ifs" about how we could have lost a game that we won.  If this doesn't signal "culture change," I don't know what does.  Go OHIO!


Exactly - I love winning. I have increasingly rising expectations.

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I was impressed with their playcalling. 


I was impressed with their apparent complete lack of self respect from coaching staff to players...Never in my life have a seen more whining and flag begging.
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 Can't agree with that at all. Weller just earlier hit one from 48 that would have been good for 60+. Chance of block, Way lower than Weller missing - best in the country - use him there. As it played out we saw this was not a good decision - a TO on that onside kick and if they scrambled and get the ball into the endzone - they could go for 2 and win the game. The ONLY way too eliminate that possible outcome would be by kicking that field goal - they would have to score 3, not 2 times.  


Doing "what ifs" about how we could have lost a game that we won.  If this doesn't signal "culture change," I don't know what does.  Go OHIO!


Exactly - I love winning. I have increasingly rising expectations.



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I'd be curious to know if the fake was a call or a decision due to a less than optimal snap. Would be curious to know if that was addressed post-game.


It was not addressed.
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To those of you who may not know, the head coach at Buffalo was the Offensive Coordinator at University of Cincinnati during their great run with Brian Kelly as head coach.  Kelly went on to Notre Dame and Quinn to be head coach at Buffalo.  I know him reasonably well and is a good guy and an excellent coach.
I was worried about our D stopping their O and still not sure we did...
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I'd be curious to know if the fake was a call or a decision due to a less than optimal snap. Would be curious to know if that was addressed post-game.


It was not addressed.


Tonight at Donato's Frank talked about as a fake in the context that made it sound like a call he had made.  He said he thought it had a good chance for success, but one Buffalo player diagnosed it quickly and foiled the plan.  At least that was my read on what he said.  If someone else who was there or heard it on the radio has a different take, they can chime in.
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I'd be curious to know if the fake was a call or a decision due to a less than optimal snap. Would be curious to know if that was addressed post-game.


It was not addressed.


Tonight at Donato's Frank talked about as a fake in the context that made it sound like a call he had made. He said he thought it had a good chance for success, but one Buffalo player diagnosed it quickly and foiled the plan. At least that was my read on what he said. If someone else who was there or heard it on the radio has a different take, they can chime in.
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