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Mike Johnson
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Posted: 10/20/2012 11:46 PM
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Q1: Has the MAC ever before had a regular season during which its teams have defeated 14 1-A/FBS opponents?  That's this season's total - so far. (Connecticut, Wyoming, Cincinnati, Army, Kansas, Army, Indiana, South Florida, Penn State, Marshall, New Mexico State, Idaho, Army, Iowa)

Q2: Can the MAC finish at .500 in its non-conf games?  At the moment MAC teams are 24-25.  MAC teams have 3 non-conf games remaining: Ball State - Army, Kent - Rutgers, UMass - Vandy.
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Posted: 10/20/2012 11:58 PM
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The answer to your second question will depend on KSU-Rutgers.  BSU should easily beat Army and UMass will have no chance against Vandy. 
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Posted: 10/21/2012 8:43 AM
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If you include last year's bowl games, the results are even more impressive. I attribute it to the mid-week games on National TV. The first mid-week games were in 2007, but they really got going in 2008. You see an immediate impact on recruiting. For example, in Rivals, the MAC recruited an average of 21.5 3-Star or better athletes a year from 2005-2008, but following the 2008 season, there were 45 of them, and in the 2010-2012 classes the average was 57. Now those 2009 recruits are Juniors or Seniors, and  you are seeing the results in the form of an across-the-board improvement in the MAC.

The MAC will probably have at least 6 bowl eligible teams this year. I wonder how many will go?
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Posted: 10/21/2012 8:49 AM
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Great post LC. Those stats are quite impressive.






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Posted: 10/21/2012 9:31 AM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
If you include last year's bowl games, the results are even more impressive. I attribute it to the mid-week games on National TV. The first mid-week games were in 2007, but they really got going in 2008. You see an immediate impact on recruiting. For example, in Rivals, the MAC recruited an average of 21.5 3-Star or better athletes a year from 2005-2008, but following the 2008 season, there were 45 of them, and in the 2010-2012 classes the average was 57. Now those 2009 recruits are Juniors or Seniors, and  you are seeing the results in the form of an across-the-board improvement in the MAC.

The MAC will probably have at least 6 bowl eligible teams this year. I wonder how many will go?


The MAC will maybe have 7 bowl eligible teams, with probably no more than 5 going to bowls.  In order for a MAC team to get to a bowl, it'll likely need 7 wins.  Three teams (Ohio, Toledo & NIU) are already there and Kent should also make it.  BGSUcks and BSU have 5 each, and should get to 7.  The Falcons have EMU and Buffalo with Ohio and Kent in between.  BSU has Army and Fiami with Toledo and Ohio in between.  Fiami and WMU have 3 wins each.  Fiami has 5 games left -- Ohio, Buffalo, Kent, CMU and BSU.  To win four of those is not easy; I think their chances for a bowl hinge on this week's game.  WMU has to win out to get to a bowl.  If they get by NIU this week, they have an easier row to hoe with CMU, Buffalo and EMU.  CMU is also in the mix at 2-5 but would need to win out to get to a bowl.  They have Akron, WMU, EMU, Fiami and UMass.  Not impossible.
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Posted: 10/21/2012 12:09 PM
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Pataskala wrote:expand_more
If you include last year's bowl games, the results are even more impressive. I attribute it to the mid-week games on National TV. The first mid-week games were in 2007, but they really got going in 2008. You see an immediate impact on recruiting. For example, in Rivals, the MAC recruited an average of 21.5 3-Star or better athletes a year from 2005-2008, but following the 2008 season, there were 45 of them, and in the 2010-2012 classes the average was 57. Now those 2009 recruits are Juniors or Seniors, and  you are seeing the results in the form of an across-the-board improvement in the MAC.

The MAC will probably have at least 6 bowl eligible teams this year. I wonder how many will go?


The MAC will maybe have 7 bowl eligible teams, with probably no more than 5 going to bowls.  In order for a MAC team to get to a bowl, it'll likely need 7 wins.
There are 70 bowl slots this year, and ineligible teams (OSU, PSU, UNC) gobbling up wins doesn't help.  They've barely had enough teams eligible the last couple years (72 two of the last three years -- including 6-7 UCLA getting to slide in last year, 71 in 2009).  There's a reason the NCAA is talking about a team with a losing record having to get a waiver (talk about everyone gets a medal).
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Posted: 10/21/2012 1:23 PM
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anorris wrote:expand_more
If you include last year's bowl games, the results are even more impressive. I attribute it to the mid-week games on National TV. The first mid-week games were in 2007, but they really got going in 2008. You see an immediate impact on recruiting. For example, in Rivals, the MAC recruited an average of 21.5 3-Star or better athletes a year from 2005-2008, but following the 2008 season, there were 45 of them, and in the 2010-2012 classes the average was 57. Now those 2009 recruits are Juniors or Seniors, and  you are seeing the results in the form of an across-the-board improvement in the MAC.

The MAC will probably have at least 6 bowl eligible teams this year. I wonder how many will go?


The MAC will maybe have 7 bowl eligible teams, with probably no more than 5 going to bowls.  In order for a MAC team to get to a bowl, it'll likely need 7 wins.
There are 70 bowl slots this year, and ineligible teams (OSU, PSU, UNC) gobbling up wins doesn't help.  They've barely had enough teams eligible the last couple years (72 two of the last three years -- including 6-7 UCLA getting to slide in last year, 71 in 2009).  There's a reason the NCAA is talking about a team with a losing record having to get a waiver (talk about everyone gets a medal).


Still, a 6-6 MAC team ain't goin' nowhere.  6-6 AQs will always find a home.  BSU was 6-6 last year and spent December watching TV.  UCLA got in last year because they were (pathetically) their division champ because USC was on probation.
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Posted: 10/21/2012 1:45 PM
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I think that nearly every 6-6 team will go somewhere this year.  It doesn't mean that a 6-6 MAC school is going bowling but they have a shot this year depending on how many other schools get eligible.
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Posted: 10/21/2012 1:54 PM
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I am going to guess right now that there will be about 73 schools with 6 wins and probably 5 of those (OSU, PSU, UNC, UCF, UTSA) will be ineligible.  So, yes, 6-6 might be good enough.
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Posted: 10/21/2012 2:33 PM
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If you include last year's bowl games, the results are even more impressive. I attribute it to the mid-week games on National TV. The first mid-week games were in 2007, but they really got going in 2008. You see an immediate impact on recruiting. For example, in Rivals, the MAC recruited an average of 21.5 3-Star or better athletes a year from 2005-2008, but following the 2008 season, there were 45 of them, and in the 2010-2012 classes the average was 57. Now those 2009 recruits are Juniors or Seniors, and  you are seeing the results in the form of an across-the-board improvement in the MAC.

The MAC will probably have at least 6 bowl eligible teams this year. I wonder how many will go?


The MAC will maybe have 7 bowl eligible teams, with probably no more than 5 going to bowls.  In order for a MAC team to get to a bowl, it'll likely need 7 wins.
There are 70 bowl slots this year, and ineligible teams (OSU, PSU, UNC) gobbling up wins doesn't help.  They've barely had enough teams eligible the last couple years (72 two of the last three years -- including 6-7 UCLA getting to slide in last year, 71 in 2009).  There's a reason the NCAA is talking about a team with a losing record having to get a waiver (talk about everyone gets a medal).


Still, a 6-6 MAC team ain't goin' nowhere.  6-6 AQs will always find a home.  BSU was 6-6 last year and spent December watching TV.  UCLA got in last year because they were (pathetically) their division champ because USC was on probation.
There were fewer bowl-ineligible teams last season, and still only 2 more "eligible" teams than slots.  They'll be on the razor's edge this year just to fill the games.
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Posted: 10/21/2012 2:41 PM
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Every 6-6 team this year is going bowling... Regardless of league affiliation. There will most likely be only 68 bowl eligible teams this year because of multiple teams with NCAA sanctions. My guess is that we might see one bowl fold ("Heart of Dallas") because they won't have any teams to invite to play!
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Posted: 10/21/2012 2:46 PM
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UCF (5-2) might be able to go; they've appealed their ineligibility for this year.  UTSA would need 9 wins because three of their wins were against non-FBS schools.  Even without these two and the three ineligibles, there are 28 teams that are already bowl eligible, 21 with five wins and 19 with four, all with 4-6 games left.  That's 68 teams; 69 if UCF is allowed in.  The key will be the Big Least.  They have six bowl slots and only 3 teams with 4+ wins.  But they also have four 3-win teams (Temps 3-3, Syracuse & Pitt 3-4, UConn 3-5).  If they at least fill their slots (and they always seem to), and some other AQ 3-win teams reach 6, non-AQ 6-win teams will start getting locked out.  With the season the MAC has had, I hope that the MAC would have a leg up on other non-AQ conferences.  But as we saw last year with Sugar Bowl, it's more about the money a team can bring to the bowl instead of a team's merit.
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Posted: 10/21/2012 4:17 PM
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UCF (5-2) might be able to go; they've appealed their ineligibility for this year. UTSA would need 9 wins because three of their wins were against non-FBS schools. Even without these two and the three ineligibles, there are 28 teams that are already bowl eligible, 21 with five wins and 19 with four, all with 4-6 games left. That's 68 teams; 69 if UCF is allowed in. The key will be the Big Least. They have six bowl slots and only 3 teams with 4+ wins. But they also have four 3-win teams (Temps 3-3, Syracuse & Pitt 3-4, UConn 3-5). If they at least fill their slots (and they always seem to), and some other AQ 3-win teams reach 6, non-AQ 6-win teams will start getting locked out. With the season the MAC has had, I hope that the MAC would have a leg up on other non-AQ conferences. But as we saw last year with Sugar Bowl, it's more about the money a team can bring to the bowl instead of a team's merit.
UTSA isn't eligible under any circumstances, as they are transitioning.
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