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Posted: 11/18/2012 9:18 AM
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The elephant in the room'

3 games in that short of time is insane. I am not sure who is responsible especially when considering the teams we played had 10 days to prepare. From a medical stand point it is very difficult to recover your healthy players in that amount of time and near impossible to get your aches and pains ready and prepared so that they do not go on to bigger injuries.

I am not saying the schedule is the reason for the loss but I can guarantee those bones, muscles, tendons and joints have taken an beating some to the point of fatigue and failure. Structural problems manifested and failure  brought on in classic overuse injuries.   

Post season someone from the medical staff needs to head up to the MAC office and have a chat. Granted many of those early season ending were before this stretch but there is no way mentally and physically I would support this schedule.....and that is just forma medical standipoint and not even touching on the gamep[lanning and coaching aspect of playing teams on 3-4 days prep vs 10. BG had a thread talking about the comparative prep times weeks before the contest.

I am not saying the MAC office did this with some intent but they surely did not think this thing through from a safety and competition standpoint. I am sure the TV product would have been much better were these games a bit more competitive.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:07 AM
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I believe that the school administrators sign off on the schedule of their schools, so not sure you look to the MAC office.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:24 AM
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We had a bye before the Miami game - so you really can't say 3 games - We had 5 days before E. Mich and we blew them out - 6 days before Bowling Green - 2 punts blocked and 2 miscues on punt snaps and then we had 7 days before Ball State.

And now we get a few more days to prepare than Kent State gets...

I don't see the issue.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:28 AM
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Turney13 wrote:expand_more
We had a bye before the Miami game - so you really can't say 3 games - We had 5 days before E. Mich and we blew them out - 6 days before Bowling Green - 2 punts blocked and 2 miscues on punt snaps and then we had 7 days before Ball State.

And now we get a few more days to prepare than Kent State gets...

I don't see the issue.


Miami had the same bye, no no advantage there.  Eastern Michigan just sucks, so advantage Ohio.  BG had a bye and we had 6 days.  Big advantage BG, when you consider the cumulative effects of the schedule.  We have a little edge with Kent here. Let's see if we show some fresher legs.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 2:20 PM
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
We had a bye before the Miami game - so you really can't say 3 games - We had 5 days before E. Mich and we blew them out - 6 days before Bowling Green - 2 punts blocked and 2 miscues on punt snaps and then we had 7 days before Ball State.

And now we get a few more days to prepare than Kent State gets...

I don't see the issue.


Miami had the same bye, no no advantage there.  Eastern Michigan just sucks, so advantage Ohio.  BG had a bye and we had 6 days.  Big advantage BG, when you consider the cumulative effects of the schedule.  We have a little edge with Kent here. Let's see if we show some fresher legs.


so disadvantage of one game , two if you count EMU and advantage for one Kent - for the net effect of being on 
espn2 / espnu 4x

I'll take it
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Posted: 11/18/2012 5:16 PM
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Let's not stop over the cliff.  We need a little better coaching/game philiosophy and we need some star play.  Somewhere between four and seven first and second all-MAC performers.  Can we do that next year?  It seems within the realm of possibility.

And, we need to schedule up a bit now. 
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Posted: 11/18/2012 6:58 PM
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If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:33 PM
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David E Brightbill wrote:expand_more
If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.


thanks for all the input. not as bad as it seemed I guess although the recovery times still seem awfully short in a full contact sport as I am just looking at recovery times and injuries/fatigue on top of an already decimated depth chart. .
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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:41 PM
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David E Brightbill wrote:expand_more
If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.


The issue that was addressed had nothing to do with player preparation or health but how that number of games affected academic performance.  At least that is what was reported in the local papers.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:46 PM
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I think it's worth remembering that in 2011 we closed the regular season playing Central Michigan on a Thursday, then Bowling Green the following Wednesday, then Miami the Tuesday after that...
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Posted: 11/19/2012 11:00 AM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.


The issue that was addressed had nothing to do with player preparation or health but how that number of games affected academic performance.  At least that is what was reported in the local papers.


And that's an absolute JOKE!!!!  Football misses LESS class time than Baseball/Softball or either basketball.  Those teams travel way more, play 50% or more of the their games on weekdays, and spend days during a week out of town.  OHIO Football had one trip that caused missed class time, the home games there is no excuse for missed class (with the exception of the 6:00pm game), so at best two days of missed classes were effected to most of the team.  Maybe a few are caught up in the Friday class thing, so tops would be 7 days of missed classes in the Semester.  Baseball can miss 7 days in two weeks period of time.  Basketball teams will miss 3x the number of dates a football team does of classes.
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I think it's worth remembering that in 2011 we closed the regular season playing Central Michigan on a Thursday, then Bowling Green the following Wednesday, then Miami the Tuesday after that...


that is the kind of scheduling that wears athletes out, fatigues them structurally and causes overuse injuries. That we did it in 11 and are back again doing it in 12 is a bit distressing form a purely medical standpoint. losing a day of rest and recovery each week is problematic.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 12:23 PM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I think it's worth remembering that in 2011 we closed the regular season playing Central Michigan on a Thursday, then Bowling Green the following Wednesday, then Miami the Tuesday after that...


that is the kind of scheduling that wears athletes out, fatigues them structurally and causes overuse injuries. That we did it in 11 and are back again doing it in 12 is a bit distressing form a purely medical standpoint. losing a day of rest and recovery each week is problematic.


bRUFUS, It's the MAC, I think everyone just accepts the crappy scheduling for the exposure... yeah, we get it, but it's not good when over 12 days, one team is playing their 3rd game, and the other is coming off a bye.If everyone has the same scheduling, that's one thing.  That did not happen in this case. 

When we finished that way last year, what was the situation with our opponents?  Did they play the same schedules?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 3:16 PM
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
bRUFUS, It's the MAC, I think everyone just accepts the crappy scheduling for the exposure... yeah, we get it, but it's not good when over 12 days, one team is playing their 3rd game, and the other is coming off a bye.If everyone has the same scheduling, that's one thing.  That did not happen in this case. 

^this

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When we finished that way last year, what was the situation with our opponents?  Did they play the same schedules?

Last year Miam (the third game in the sequence)i finished on a very similar schedule. Ohio went thursday-wednesday-tuesday, while Miami went wednesday-wednesday-tuesday. That's close enough. For the middle game Ohio had 6 days, while BG had 8 days, not ideal, but better than what we saw this year.
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.


The issue that was addressed had nothing to do with player preparation or health but how that number of games affected academic performance. At least that is what was reported in the local papers.


And that's an absolute JOKE!!!! Football misses LESS class time than Baseball/Softball or either basketball. Those teams travel way more, play 50% or more of the their games on weekdays, and spend days during a week out of town. OHIO Football had one trip that caused missed class time, the home games there is no excuse for missed class (with the exception of the 6:00pm game), so at best two days of missed classes were effected to most of the team. Maybe a few are caught up in the Friday class thing, so tops would be 7 days of missed classes in the Semester. Baseball can miss 7 days in two weeks period of time. Basketball teams will miss 3x the number of dates a football team does of classes.
Missed classes were only a part of the comments. While not necessarily specifically mentioning health the overall tenor was that 3 games in 11 days was unacceptable and that Ohio needed to
convey that to the MAC and ESPN
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Posted: 11/19/2012 8:23 PM
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In the Messenger the guy was quoted as saying, he wasn't speaking from an injury issue but an academic one. Those other sports have the same time commitments, and basketball actually has more committment time wise. Throw in the fact that nationwide baseball has the lowest grad rates in the NCAA , and look at their schedules.
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David E Brightbill wrote:expand_more
If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.


The issue that was addressed had nothing to do with player preparation or health but how that number of games affected academic performance. At least that is what was reported in the local papers.


And that's an absolute JOKE!!!! Football misses LESS class time than Baseball/Softball or either basketball. Those teams travel way more, play 50% or more of the their games on weekdays, and spend days during a week out of town. OHIO Football had one trip that caused missed class time, the home games there is no excuse for missed class (with the exception of the 6:00pm game), so at best two days of missed classes were effected to most of the team. Maybe a few are caught up in the Friday class thing, so tops would be 7 days of missed classes in the Semester. Baseball can miss 7 days in two weeks period of time. Basketball teams will miss 3x the number of dates a football team does of classes.


Missed classes were only a part of the comments. While not necessarily specifically mentioning health the overall tenor was that 3 games in 11 days was unacceptable and that Ohio needed to
convey that to the MAC and ESPN


David,

Do you know if the MAC has studied this either on a competitive or injury rate basis?
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I think it's worth remembering that in 2011 we closed the regular season playing Central Michigan on a Thursday, then Bowling Green the following Wednesday, then Miami the Tuesday after that...


that is the kind of scheduling that wears athletes out, fatigues them structurally and causes overuse injuries. That we did it in 11 and are back again doing it in 12 is a bit distressing form a purely medical standpoint. losing a day of rest and recovery each week is problematic.
I couldn't agree more, but it just irked the living daylights out of me to read the Trustee complain about the missed class time of football.
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I think it's worth remembering that in 2011 we closed the regular season playing Central Michigan on a Thursday, then Bowling Green the following Wednesday, then Miami the Tuesday after that...


that is the kind of scheduling that wears athletes out, fatigues them structurally and causes overuse injuries. That we did it in 11 and are back again doing it in 12 is a bit distressing form a purely medical standpoint. losing a day of rest and recovery each week is problematic.
I couldn't agree more, but it just irked the living daylights out of me to read the Trustee complain about the missed class time of football.
Might be a good idea to get the facts before getting so worked up. Since as I said missed classes were only a part of the broader issue. The minutes will be on the university website eventually.
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Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.


The issue that was addressed had nothing to do with player preparation or health but how that number of games affected academic performance. At least that is what was reported in the local papers.


And that's an absolute JOKE!!!! Football misses LESS class time than Baseball/Softball or either basketball. Those teams travel way more, play 50% or more of the their games on weekdays, and spend days during a week out of town. OHIO Football had one trip that caused missed class time, the home games there is no excuse for missed class (with the exception of the 6:00pm game), so at best two days of missed classes were effected to most of the team. Maybe a few are caught up in the Friday class thing, so tops would be 7 days of missed classes in the Semester. Baseball can miss 7 days in two weeks period of time. Basketball teams will miss 3x the number of dates a football team does of classes.


Missed classes were only a part of the comments. While not necessarily specifically mentioning health the overall tenor was that 3 games in 11 days was unacceptable and that Ohio needed to
convey that to the MAC and ESPN


David,
Do you know if the MAC has studied this either on a competitive or injury rate basis?
Ted
Not that I am aware of. Part of the issue was not selling out TOTALLY to ESPN. Certainly there is realization that exposure is important, but both the MAC and ESPN need to be more careful how they schedule individual teams
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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:21 AM
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David E Brightbill wrote:expand_more
I think it's worth remembering that in 2011 we closed the regular season playing Central Michigan on a Thursday, then Bowling Green the following Wednesday, then Miami the Tuesday after that...


that is the kind of scheduling that wears athletes out, fatigues them structurally and causes overuse injuries. That we did it in 11 and are back again doing it in 12 is a bit distressing form a purely medical standpoint. losing a day of rest and recovery each week is problematic.
I couldn't agree more, but it just irked the living daylights out of me to read the Trustee complain about the missed class time of football.
Might be a good idea to get the facts before getting so worked up. Since as I said missed classes were only a part of the broader issue. The minutes will be on the university website eventually.
A. That is exactly how that was quoted in the local paper, and those would be the only facts that us common folk have at our disposal.

B. Don't need a B, because A is all I had to work with. However, not worked up, my original statement stands, those comments are poorly worded as reported in the local paper.
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David E Brightbill wrote:expand_more
If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.


The issue that was addressed had nothing to do with player preparation or health but how that number of games affected academic performance. At least that is what was reported in the local papers.


And that's an absolute JOKE!!!! Football misses LESS class time than Baseball/Softball or either basketball. Those teams travel way more, play 50% or more of the their games on weekdays, and spend days during a week out of town. OHIO Football had one trip that caused missed class time, the home games there is no excuse for missed class (with the exception of the 6:00pm game), so at best two days of missed classes were effected to most of the team. Maybe a few are caught up in the Friday class thing, so tops would be 7 days of missed classes in the Semester. Baseball can miss 7 days in two weeks period of time. Basketball teams will miss 3x the number of dates a football team does of classes.


Missed classes were only a part of the comments. While not necessarily specifically mentioning health the overall tenor was that 3 games in 11 days was unacceptable and that Ohio needed to
convey that to the MAC and ESPN


David,
Do you know if the MAC has studied this either on a competitive or injury rate basis?


Ted
Not that I am aware of. Part of the issue was not selling out TOTALLY to ESPN. Certainly there is realization that exposure is important, but both the MAC and ESPN need to be more careful how they schedule individual teams


To me, this falls into the MAC's court. The schedule can probably be arranged to avoid these situations.
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Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
If you look at the minutes from Friday's Trustees meeting (when they come out). You will see the issue was addressed both by a Trustee and the President.


The issue that was addressed had nothing to do with player preparation or health but how that number of games affected academic performance. At least that is what was reported in the local papers.


And that's an absolute JOKE!!!! Football misses LESS class time than Baseball/Softball or either basketball. Those teams travel way more, play 50% or more of the their games on weekdays, and spend days during a week out of town. OHIO Football had one trip that caused missed class time, the home games there is no excuse for missed class (with the exception of the 6:00pm game), so at best two days of missed classes were effected to most of the team. Maybe a few are caught up in the Friday class thing, so tops would be 7 days of missed classes in the Semester. Baseball can miss 7 days in two weeks period of time. Basketball teams will miss 3x the number of dates a football team does of classes.


Missed classes were only a part of the comments. While not necessarily specifically mentioning health the overall tenor was that 3 games in 11 days was unacceptable and that Ohio needed to
convey that to the MAC and ESPN


David,
Do you know if the MAC has studied this either on a competitive or injury rate basis?


Ted
Not that I am aware of. Part of the issue was not selling out TOTALLY to ESPN. Certainly there is realization that exposure is important, but both the MAC and ESPN need to be more careful how they schedule individual teams


To me, this falls into the MAC's court. The schedule can probably be arranged to avoid these situations.


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