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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:07 PM
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If we would all just realize that these injuries have been mounting all season and by the time the Miami game came around we were down 5-7 1st or 2nd teamers plus another 6 missing multiple games including the Miami Game.
After that game there were others that joined the injury list.
No team could have sustained this kind of situation and not paid the price.
So in conclusion I believe that the injuries have caused our season to be where it is today.
I don't blame the players or coaches.
I actually think the remaining guys are doing all they can.
It appears that about 8-9 of the guys lost for the season are back next year, that's the good news.

Let's keep things all in the right perspective.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:12 PM
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71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
If we would all just realize that these injuries have been mounting all season and by the time the Miami game came around we were down 5-7 1st or 2nd teamers plus another 6 missing multiple games including the Miami Game.
After that game there were others that joined the injury list.
No team could have sustained this kind of situation and not paid the price.
So in conclusion I believe that the injuries have caused our season to be where it is today.
I don't blame the players or coaches.
I actually think the remaining guys are doing all they can.
It appears that about 8-9 of the guys lost for the season are back next year, that's the good news.

Let's keep things all in the right perspective.

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Thanks 71BOBCAT. 
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I think I am keeping things in perspective when I say that I am disappointed in this season and how this team has dropped off the map as of late, and how the team has handled itself.....

The 2 HUGE areas of concern for me are actually not even performance based because I do also understand the injury plague that has stricken us (I know I have gone on record here more than once about the pash rush being non-existent, but ultimately I know that is personnel driven...if you dont have the talent, you cant blitz)

1) Play calling.  I wont rehash everything that has already been said in multiple other threads...but I can sum it all up by saying....PREDICTABLE at least 85% of the time and even then.....BIZZARO-WORLD at best at other times....when we should be doing one thing that shown itself to work we end up calling a play that is the exact opposite.

2) (and this is the one that worries me) I see a disconnect, dare I say lack of respect between players on our team (even amongst themselves) and the coaching staff.  The constant yelling at each other reminds me of a little league team that just found out that there are no snacks after the game.

I hope that #2 is just the frustration of the season coming to a head, but I am afraid that this might represent something more serious happening underneath the surface.......God I hope I am wrong.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:54 PM
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I think I am keeping things in perspective when I say that I am disappointed in this season and how this team has dropped off the map as of late, and how the team has handled itself.....

The 2 HUGE areas of concern for me are actually not even performance based because I do also understand the injury plague that has stricken us (I know I have gone on record here more than once about the pash rush being non-existent, but ultimately I know that is personnel driven...if you dont have the talent, you cant blitz)

1) Play calling.  I wont rehash everything that has already been said in multiple other threads...but I can sum it all up by saying....PREDICTABLE at least 85% of the time and even then.....BIZZARO-WORLD at best at other times....when we should be doing one thing that shown itself to work we end up calling a play that is the exact opposite.

2) (and this is the one that worries me) I see a disconnect, dare I say lack of respect between players on our team (even amongst themselves) and the coaching staff.  The constant yelling at each other reminds me of a little league team that just found out that there are no snacks after the game.

I hope that #2 is just the frustration of the season coming to a head, but I am afraid that this might represent something more serious happening underneath the surface.......God I hope I am wrong.


Everyone, those attendung games, re: 2) Is it really as bad as PTgrad presents? I have not been to a game in person.  Can anyone tell me if this is an exagguration, I hope. This is were Thompson/Carrie would jump in I would hope.
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I think I am keeping things in perspective when I say that I am disappointed in this season and how this team has dropped off the map as of late, and how the team has handled itself.....

The 2 HUGE areas of concern for me are actually not even performance based because I do also understand the injury plague that has stricken us (I know I have gone on record here more than once about the pash rush being non-existent, but ultimately I know that is personnel driven...if you dont have the talent, you cant blitz)

1) Play calling.  I wont rehash everything that has already been said in multiple other threads...but I can sum it all up by saying....PREDICTABLE at least 85% of the time and even then.....BIZZARO-WORLD at best at other times....when we should be doing one thing that shown itself to work we end up calling a play that is the exact opposite.

2) (and this is the one that worries me) I see a disconnect, dare I say lack of respect between players on our team (even amongst themselves) and the coaching staff.  The constant yelling at each other reminds me of a little league team that just found out that there are no snacks after the game.

I hope that #2 is just the frustration of the season coming to a head, but I am afraid that this might represent something more serious happening underneath the surface.......God I hope I am wrong.


Everyone, those attendung games, re: 2) Is it really as bad as PTgrad presents? I have not been to a game in person.  Can anyone tell me if this is an exaduration, I hope. This is were Thompson/Carrie would jump in I would hope.


I've been to every game but the UMass game and have been on the sidelines for them. I've never seen players yell at each other. I would say this is one of the first times I really felt that players maybe ere getting frustrated with each other and themselves, but I've never seen this expressed verbally.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:07 PM
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I think I am keeping things in perspective when I say that I am disappointed in this season and how this team has dropped off the map as of late, and how the team has handled itself.....

The 2 HUGE areas of concern for me are actually not even performance based because I do also understand the injury plague that has stricken us (I know I have gone on record here more than once about the pash rush being non-existent, but ultimately I know that is personnel driven...if you dont have the talent, you cant blitz)

1) Play calling.  I wont rehash everything that has already been said in multiple other threads...but I can sum it all up by saying....PREDICTABLE at least 85% of the time and even then.....BIZZARO-WORLD at best at other times....when we should be doing one thing that shown itself to work we end up calling a play that is the exact opposite.

2) (and this is the one that worries me) I see a disconnect, dare I say lack of respect between players on our team (even amongst themselves) and the coaching staff.  The constant yelling at each other reminds me of a little league team that just found out that there are no snacks after the game.

I hope that #2 is just the frustration of the season coming to a head, but I am afraid that this might represent something more serious happening underneath the surface.......God I hope I am wrong.


Everyone, those attendung games, re: 2) Is it really as bad as PTgrad presents? I have not been to a game in person.  Can anyone tell me if this is an exaduration, I hope. This is were Thompson/Carrie would jump in I would hope.


I've been to every game but the UMass game and have been on the sidelines for them. I've never seen players yell at each other. I would say this is one of the first times I really felt that players maybe ere getting frustrated with each other and themselves, but I've never seen this expressed verbally.


Thanks, now I know were to file PTgrad's input.
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I've seen TT show his disdain for a play call several times this year. Usually by throwing a little tantrum after a play has failed. Regardless of how bad the play call is (and they're usually pretty bad, think option to short side of field) it is not appropriate.
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Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
I think I am keeping things in perspective when I say that I am disappointed in this season and how this team has dropped off the map as of late, and how the team has handled itself.....

The 2 HUGE areas of concern for me are actually not even performance based because I do also understand the injury plague that has stricken us (I know I have gone on record here more than once about the pash rush being non-existent, but ultimately I know that is personnel driven...if you dont have the talent, you cant blitz)

1) Play calling.  I wont rehash everything that has already been said in multiple other threads...but I can sum it all up by saying....PREDICTABLE at least 85% of the time and even then.....BIZZARO-WORLD at best at other times....when we should be doing one thing that shown itself to work we end up calling a play that is the exact opposite.

2) (and this is the one that worries me) I see a disconnect, dare I say lack of respect between players on our team (even amongst themselves) and the coaching staff.  The constant yelling at each other reminds me of a little league team that just found out that there are no snacks after the game.

I hope that #2 is just the frustration of the season coming to a head, but I am afraid that this might represent something more serious happening underneath the surface.......God I hope I am wrong.


Everyone, those attendung games, re: 2) Is it really as bad as PTgrad presents? I have not been to a game in person.  Can anyone tell me if this is an exaduration, I hope. This is were Thompson/Carrie would jump in I would hope.


I've been to every game but the UMass game and have been on the sidelines for them. I've never seen players yell at each other. I would say this is one of the first times I really felt that players maybe ere getting frustrated with each other and themselves, but I've never seen this expressed verbally.


Thanks, now I know were to file PTgrad's input.


I need to know this as well.







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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:41 PM
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as I was originally typing my first post in this thread...my description of the tantrums did tend to call out a certain player...but then after proofing the post.....something that I do every time before I submit something....I decided against calling out any one player...its just not in my nature to do so especially when talking about season changing problems (ultimately I love me some TT, I think he is the real deal and will lead Ohio to some great things next year)...but since my hand has been forced a little here...I will go as far as to say that the tantrums that I have seen first hand at the games as well as the ones that have been front and center on national TV have been by our QB....directed towards the coaches as well as other teammates.....and like the captain of a ship or whatever other cheesy cliche you want to throw in here...the Ohio Bobcats will go as TT goes...he sinks, we sink.

Does this just mean that TT just wears his heart on his sleeve....I hope so...but I just also feel as if all of this became a little more prevalent when everything stopped going OUr way....

Its just disappointing to me that in the face of adversity, this is the reaction that we get.

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I was on the sideline of the BG game. Tyler was flat out pissed off at the continuous screen passes being called, even though time was running out. He was right. That was the only thing I saw all night that would be deemed controversial. I wouldn't classify it as a tantrum. I have been at every game except UMass, so I've watched the season closely.
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I was on the sideline of the BG game. Tyler was flat out pissed off at the continuous screen passes being called, even though time was running out. He was right. That was the only thing I saw all night that would be deemed controversial. I wouldn't classify it as a tantrum. I have been at every game except UMass, so I've watched the season closely.


I agree...the word "tantrums" is way too harsh a way of describing the emotion that TT has showed....and I do definitely feel as if, going back to my first post here...#1 and #2 are most likely directly related.

It almost seems (and this is speculation) as if TT is getting mixed messages...as if he is allowed to audible out of certain plays yet others he can't, even though he knows that the play he is about to run won't work...it all just comes off as some kind of disconnect..




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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:32 AM
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I was on the sideline of the BG game. Tyler was flat out pissed off at the continuous screen passes being called, even though time was running out. He was right. That was the only thing I saw all night that would be deemed controversial. I wouldn't classify it as a tantrum. I have been at every game except UMass, so I've watched the season closely.


I agree...the word "tantrums" is way too harsh a way of describing the emotion that TT has showed....and I do definitely feel as if, going back to my first post here...#1 and #2 are most likely directly related.

It almost seems (and this is speculation) as if TT is getting mixed messages...as if he is allowed to audible out of certain plays yet others he can't, even though he knows that the play he is about to run won't work...it all just comes off as some kind of disconnect..
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Another News Flash-in the Miami game TT definitely called out receivers for not being where he wantede them.  then, he proceeded to throw about 5 passes nowhere near anybody.

I think mostly mentally this team has lost.  Not prepared, not ececuting and lack of discipline are the keys.  Way too many blown coverages and missed gaps/assignments.

Add to that the fact that we are not a pyhsically superior tram compared to the top tier teams in the MAC (lack of blocking/sacks and lack of tackling/9 yards per carry) and you have disaster written all over it.  Why can't we have a front 7 like BG?
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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:29 AM
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
I've seen TT show his disdain for a play call several times this year. Usually by throwing a little tantrum after a play has failed. Regardless of how bad the play call is (and they're usually pretty bad, think option to short side of field) it is not appropriate.


Paul, please.  If the defense, for what ever reason, loads up to the wide side, you run short side.  Might not always go for a TD, but if you don't do it the defense will never play honest.  Oh, about the play calling. It has been good enough for TT to become the all-time Ohio QB in less than two seasons. Logically then, the play calling must be pretty good.  I get it, you want coach Solich out.  Who knows mabe you could get Bill Callahan.  
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I always find it amazing that the same guys who are geniuses when we're winning become bums when we're losing.

It comes back to the injury situation.  We now have a bunch of young guys -- mostly at receiver and defensive secondary -- who have been thrown into starting roles and are having problems.  Until T2 gets comfortable that he can rely on his receivers to do their jobs, this team will lack the confidence needed to win.  Should make us appreciate LaVon more.  He always ran his routes and his athleticism made difficult catches look easy and impossible catches done deals.
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I was on the sideline of the BG game.


That was a mistake, you jinxed them. Happy?

You may have a perfect, goody-two-shoes, angel who never put a toe out of line as a student, but if you look deep in your heart, you'll understand why Brufus called you out the other week, and why he was right to do so.
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Like I stated in the original post any team would have had similar results after suffering the number of injuries we have.

There is nothing wrong with our coaches.
There is nothing wrong with our strength & conditioning program.
There is nothing wrong with our players.
There is nothing wrong with our recruiting.

What happened was a rash of injuries that continued to mount over the course of the season and finally started to take it toll with the Miami game.

I for 1 am convinced that had we not suffered these injuries we would be a 11-1 or a 12-0 team right now.





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There is nothing wrong with our strength & conditioning program.


No offense but, I'd like to hear this from Frank Solich or some high-ranking member of the coaching staff. The number and severity of injuries this year demands some kind of reflection.
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. . .   Should make us appreciate LaVon more.  He always ran his routes and his athleticism made difficult catches look easy and impossible catches done deals.


I don't know how many times I've turned to my wife or someone else nearby and said after a dropped pass or a pass a receiver almost caught, "LaVon would have caught that one."  We just don't have anyone near his caliber in what's left of our WR corps.  He was not only a great player, with great skills, he was also a team leader and inspired others to do their best and to "get with the program."  He is missed in more ways than one. 
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It's easy to point to 1 or 2 elements of the program to find fault, I am sure many of us have had these thoughts. Best way to evaluate is to compare injuries team by team over a number of years. However, I doubt these facts are readily available.
I would have to believe that if Frank thought our program was at fault he would have made some changes to personnel, a few years ago when we encountered a rash of injuries. If you recall he has made changes to the conditioning program based upon a few years ago our teams were not able to go a full 4 quarters. This change along with improved depth has elevated us to be a consistent winner.
Our depth saved this season from total disaster. Had this occurred 3-4 years ago we would have ended the year below .500.
Now our challenge is to elevate our recruiting to convince some 4 star recruits, in key positions, to enroll at Ohio.

Imagine how West Virgina fans feel after starting the year 5-0 and highly ranked, and now they are like a .500 team.

Our program continues to develop, perhaps not as fast and to as high a degree as all would like to see, but it's all coming together. As we take a look at the players returning we look strong for 2013. We will have to wait and see if some of these conference teams that enjoyed great success this year can continue to have winning seasons year over year like Ohio has. Look at Central Michigan, after their great QB graduated their program regressed. Same with Miami after Ben left. Toledo has also struggled these last few years and are no longer at the top of their division. Akron won 1 conference championship and has returned to the cellar of the conference.
I ask all to put things in perspective.




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I'm beginning t think that there's a fundamental flaw in our approach--that we are too passive, too 'contain' / bend-but-don't-break on defense, and unimagintative on offense.  I'm open to argument that personnel (injuries, etc) have limited us.  But to that I say this:  we keep being near good enough but not quite fully good enough.  So, will we take a look at this and make appropriate changes?

While our injuries seem quite bad in some years, it is also true that other teams have injuries.  It'd be nice to have a year ending in winning instead of wouldacouldashoulda.

For an example of the too conservative 'contain' type of approach, look at a gamein 2011--a hallmark game--in which we led 20-0 at half.  But lost 23-20.

When is the seemingly obvious message going to be reacted to?
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I disagree there is no blame to put on the coaches.  I have a lot of respect for Coach Burrows and how after having quite a few bad defensive games was able to get some really good play out of our guys these last few games.  But Coach Albin with less injuries than Burrows dealt with was unable to make similar adjustments in our offensive game.  Also I think TT still is the key to our future, but he needs to do some reflection for this season and come back stronger next year.  He really seemed to regress as the season went on, I know the injuries didn't help things, but as a QB and 2nd year starter you need to be able to adjust your game to the changing circumstances.
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Here's my perspective:

This season in retrospect isn't the disappointment that 2010 was allowing Miami to win it all after crushing Miami during the season.  The NO Bowl results that season loss plus the Miami success makes that season MUCH more bitter than this year given the weakness of the early schedule and the injuries that were sustained. 

You can also argue that Ohio only lost to one totally crap team vs losing twice in 2011 and letting a championship shutout turn into a loss.

Just take a look at the Yahoo team rankings and while it is sad to see Kent and BG ahead in those standings, the 8-4 looks mighty fine for an injury riddled team that played it's toughest competition in the last 3 weeks when running total of injuries were at their highest.  


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There is nothing wrong with our strength & conditioning program.


No offense but, I'd like to hear this from Frank Solich or some high-ranking member of the coaching staff. The number and severity of injuries this year demands some kind of reflection.


I, too, would like a change in this area.  Too many of the 'same' type of injuries....A response from the OU staff would be appreciated.  I'm Just Saying!!!
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Take a look at the year Texas Tech had started off 4-0 ranked, then injuries started,  and the loose 4 out of their last 5.
They ended with a 7-5 record.
I say we did a very admiral job of managing our players and winning 8 games.



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