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Bobcat Mac
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:52 AM
As a season ticket holder for both football and basketball, I would rather see criticizing when needed than total apathy that has been the better part of OHIO athletics the last 20-30 years!! 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:56 AM
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  Injuries took their toll.  I know nothing about football strength training, so I have no idea how many were truly avoidable.  

 


Going back to the Brian Knorr era, I've found myself wondering about the effectiveness of Ohio's strength and conditioning training.  Reason: Although the number of injuries this season was abnormal, in previous seasons Ohio has endured a stunning number of serious injuries. 

Some observers could find themselves asking: Could any level of effectriveness in strength training help ward off injuries? 

Answer: Yes.  Simply put, stronger players are less likely to be forced into positions where injuries are more likely to occur.  Example: A defensive lineman is outmuscled by an opponent, causing the DL to fall awkwardly. 

Conditioning is similarly a factor in injuries - or avoiding them.  A tired player is more likely to be positioned in  ways more conducive to being injured.

Could a change in Ohio's strength and conditioning coaching lead to fewer serious injuries?  Possibly.  But hiring a lead strength and conditioning coach without previous lead coaching experience is like hiring a head coach without previous head coaching experience.  It's a crapshoot.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:12 AM
I don't think strength and conditioning has much to do with the rash of injuries this year, or any other year.  It's interesting that coaches of teams we've played have often made remarks to the effect that we are the most physical team they've played.  I don't think you get that reputation unless you are pretty strong.  Perhaps we are so physical that other teams try extra hard to get back at us and tackle with greater verosity.  Or, more likely, it's just bad luck.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 12:45 PM
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I don't think strength and conditioning has much to do with the rash of injuries this year, or any other year.  It's interesting that coaches of teams we've played have often made remarks to the effect that we are the most physical team they've played.  I don't think you get that reputation unless you are pretty strong.  Perhaps we are so physical that other teams try extra hard to get back at us and tackle with greater verosity.  Or, more likely, it's just bad luck.


That's what Coach Solich says about virtually every upcoming opponent.  I expect that other coaches do likewise. 

I agree that some injuries result from freak happenings, including non-contact moves.  I do, though, firmly believe that effective strength and conditioning coaching wards off many other injuries. 
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:12 PM
i played football but not at the college level. i've played on winning teams and losing teams. i don't think any team could have survived the number of injuries the Ohio team suffered this year and done much better. watching the BG game, without the complete meltdown from the punting, Ohio wins that game. The Cats were one play away from winning the Miami game really. Now you're 10-2 with how many starters missing?

the Ohio defense did a GREAT job against Kent's offense.

really, i'm glad the fan base is not satisfied with this season. i'm sure the players and coaching staff isn't either.

so, keep wanting more. it's the passion that is Ohio athletics that makes Athens a special place.

The analogy about the basketball team losing two of its top eight holds true. i don't think anyone on this forum would expect 25-6 if Walter and TJ were lost for the season and Cooper missed three games and Baltic missed two games and Smith missed four games.

that's what the football team faced this year.

there are lessons to be learned from this season. i know getting bigger and stronger is on every team's "to do" list every year.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:54 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I don't think strength and conditioning has much to do with the rash of injuries this year, or any other year.  It's interesting that coaches of teams we've played have often made remarks to the effect that we are the most physical team they've played.  I don't think you get that reputation unless you are pretty strong.  Perhaps we are so physical that other teams try extra hard to get back at us and tackle with greater verosity.  Or, more likely, it's just bad luck.



Ding ding ding ding.....winner winner chicken dinner.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:23 PM
Hold on a minute.  That loss to BG was singular, a specific instance of vast underperformance like we haven't seen at OHIO for many a year.

To watch our offense go to the line of scrimmage with no clue--everybody looking over to the sideline for..well, I'm not sure what for--chewing up a lock of clock before we ran really unsurprising, expected stuff with no gusto was appalling.  Contrast BG's offense that night.  Their counter type plays and ball-faking (especially on that long td pass that faked out everyone who was there live) was at a different level than what we did.

Sorry.  No free pass on that game.

There wasn't a game this year that we could not have won, even taking injuries in to consideration.  I don't think that we could have won them all--not by any means.  But we could have won any one of the games which we lost.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:15 AM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I don't think strength and conditioning has much to do with the rash of injuries this year, or any other year.  It's interesting that coaches of teams we've played have often made remarks to the effect that we are the most physical team they've played.  I don't think you get that reputation unless you are pretty strong.  Perhaps we are so physical that other teams try extra hard to get back at us and tackle with greater verosity.  Or, more likely, it's just bad luck.



Ding ding ding ding.....winner winner chicken dinner.


Thanks, Doc, for the imprimatur; for Mike: I was talking about remarks coaches made AFTER Ohio played them not pregame coach speak.
Last Edited: 11/26/2012 12:17:08 AM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:25 AM
Injuries derailed the season point blank. This is not an SEC or Big 10 program that can replace a 4-5 star with another highly regarded athlete being 2 down on any position is a HUGE issue in the MAC. Easily a top 15 team without the injuries...The secondary which did better than most thought was on the 3rd stringers freshmen and sophmores if I recall. The playing time early will help some guys in the future but this season was successful considering the circumstances. People need to just calm down and realize no matter how good a coach is the kids not all can make the plays that they need to make at that moment but doesn't mean they wont be decent players. Just a few years ago 5 wins was spectacular.
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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:47 AM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I don't think strength and conditioning has much to do with the rash of injuries this year, or any other year.  It's interesting that coaches of teams we've played have often made remarks to the effect that we are the most physical team they've played.  I don't think you get that reputation unless you are pretty strong.  Perhaps we are so physical that other teams try extra hard to get back at us and tackle with greater verosity.  Or, more likely, it's just bad luck.



Ding ding ding ding.....winner winner chicken dinner.


The game gets faster and more violent every year and coach Solich makes a point of recruiting toughness.  OL wear knee braces because on every play on the line there is an injury waiting to happen.  The DL might risk it without braces.  I am surprised there are not more plays like the one when Neal and Carl both were hurt.  Most blocks and tackles, if off the field, would be assault with intent to commit bodily harm.  The college game is what the pros used to be, high school is what college used to be. The violence is extreme.  The lifting is done to develop explosive power and the athlete's body is developed to the edge.  They lift a routine to muscle failure to find their max, then another routine of lifting to a new/higher max, then again, and again. When you constantly are challenging the muscles, stuff happens.  Coach Solich was at Nebraska when weight/strength training began under Boyd Epley.  He has seen it evolve with nutrition.  I can not believe there is a more aware or better head coach than he concerning strength and conditioning. Ohio will be outresourced in this area when others have unlimited $$$$, but, Ohio coaches will make the best use of what they have.
Last Edited: 11/26/2012 9:30:10 AM by Bcat2
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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:50 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
Injuries derailed the season point blank. This is not an SEC or Big 10 program that can replace a 4-5 star with another highly regarded athlete being 2 down on any position is a HUGE issue in the MAC. Easily a top 15 team without the injuries...The secondary which did better than most thought was on the 3rd stringers freshmen and sophmores if I recall. The playing time early will help some guys in the future but this season was successful considering the circumstances. People need to just calm down and realize no matter how good a coach is the kids not all can make the plays that they need to make at that moment but doesn't mean they wont be decent players. Just a few years ago 5 wins was spectacular.


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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:56 AM
I love the OHIO Bobcats!  They are my family and I will always be there for them. 
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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:23 AM
Bobcat Mac wrote:expand_more
As a season ticket holder for both football and basketball, I would rather see criticizing when needed than total apathy that has been the better part of OHIO athletics the last 20-30 years!! 


Correct.

I think there is a group of people (and can understand why parents would be in this bunch) that want a rabid fanbase when they are winning, but expect everyone to just shrug their shoulders after a loss and simply say it was unlucky or unfortunate. Injuries are a big reason why this season has left us disappointed, but they managed to be in position to at least send the Miami game to overtime and gifted the BG and Kent games away. So to throw your hands up and just yell injuries isn't right either.

As far as individual criticism, if we can praise individually, then we can criticize individually. It ain't intramurals.
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