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colobobcat66
12/11/2023 2:02 PM
Nearly everybody agrees that there are way too many bowl games, in some places that are not exactly winter hotspots, many sponsored by companies we never heard of, and even open to teams with losing records. We’ve had mostly NFL worthy players opt out because of multiple reasons including fear of injury. Now we’ve got the transfer portal with anywhere from a few to a few dozen players not playing for some teams. I think I saw that there’s only 13 bowls that didn’t see a head coach, OC/DC or starting QB leave. It’s just a matter of time until there won’t be enough qualified players at each position to play the game. Now teams are threatening to strike before the game or not play the game at all.

These games are becoming not much more than spring games than ever before. It’s a circus, but of course, some people like circuses.
Last Edited: 12/11/2023 2:20:17 PM by colobobcat66
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J.B.Hoy
12/11/2023 2:39 PM
Maybe the bowls will evolve into a mid-season, Bracketbuster-like, game. Where half of the teams host a game one year and the other half the next. Some genius comes up with fun matchups.

Then the bowl games at the end of the year can focus on the playoffs for the big boys - and perhaps expand it to have all conferences included?

I'm just a rube, so no need for you angry types to roast me. Just the idle ramblings of an old, grumpy Bobcat.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/11/2023 2:49 PM
Maybe they should experiment with bowl games being meaningful and having real stakes that the players share in.

Give the payouts to the players, for instance. Or form little mini-playoffs where 3 bowl games become a single elimination tournament for 4 teams and the entire payout pool goes to one winner.

It's clear the concept needs an overhaul.
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BryanHall
12/11/2023 3:18 PM
I'm off during the weeks around Christmas. I like a steady stream of non-conference matchups on my TV. During the first week in January, I am heads-down into work. The bowl games on Blue Turf and in Frisco, Arkansas are my Frosty and Rudolph. They can co-exist with the playoffs in my world.
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Casper71
12/11/2023 3:32 PM
The only thing keeping these bowls alive right now is television revenue. When the viewer ratings drop these after thought bowls will be gone.
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colobobcat66
12/11/2023 4:07 PM
BryanHall wrote:expand_more
I'm off during the weeks around Christmas. I like a steady stream of non-conference matchups on my TV. During the first week in January, I am heads-down into work. The bowl games on Blue Turf and in Frisco, Arkansas are my Frosty and Rudolph. They can co-exist with the playoffs in my world.
The Frisco Arkansas game should be very interesting - enjoy
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AlumDadDad
12/11/2023 7:11 PM
BryanHall wrote:expand_more
I'm off during the weeks around Christmas. I like a steady stream of non-conference matchups on my TV. During the first week in January, I am heads-down into work. The bowl games on Blue Turf and in Frisco, Arkansas are my Frosty and Rudolph. They can co-exist with the playoffs in my world.
Amen brother. No one has ever heard me say "That's just too much football". If one finds the number of bowl games offensive, then don't watch them. Go Christmas shopping or go outside soak up some of that gray Ohio sky!

But seriously, the NCAA needs to put their great minds to work deconflicting the portal and bowl system.
Last Edited: 12/11/2023 7:16:53 PM by AlumDadDad
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Tymaster
12/12/2023 9:00 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Nearly everybody agrees that there are way too many bowl games, in some places that are not exactly winter hotspots, many sponsored by companies we never heard of, and even open to teams with losing records. We’ve had mostly NFL worthy players opt out because of multiple reasons including fear of injury. Now we’ve got the transfer portal with anywhere from a few to a few dozen players not playing for some teams. I think I saw that there’s only 13 bowls that didn’t see a head coach, OC/DC or starting QB leave. It’s just a matter of time until there won’t be enough qualified players at each position to play the game. Now teams are threatening to strike before the game or not play the game at all.

These games are becoming not much more than spring games than ever before. It’s a circus, but of course, some people like circuses.
Don't watch. Problem solved. Read a book. Go to the gym. Spend time with your family. Why is this such a difficult concept?
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Kinggeorge4
12/12/2023 9:36 AM
I love the bowl games as I finally get to see a few teams I didn't see during the season. Simple to not watch if you are not interested. That is what I do during March Madness.
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Tymaster
12/12/2023 9:41 AM
BryanHall wrote:expand_more
I'm off during the weeks around Christmas. I like a steady stream of non-conference matchups on my TV. During the first week in January, I am heads-down into work. The bowl games on Blue Turf and in Frisco, Arkansas are my Frosty and Rudolph. They can co-exist with the playoffs in my world.

I am curious what the numbers are for some of the lower tiered bowls once the playoffs arrive. These bowls get numbers around the same as the late night talk shows - a few million. Which may not sound like much but in the age of a million channels and literally endless streaming options, 2 or 3 million eyeballs on one event is quite alluring to advertisers. I don't know that it will go down that much. It's still a destination for viewers whether it's over-the-air, streaming or on old school cable.
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D.A.
12/12/2023 10:00 AM
Kinggeorge4 wrote:expand_more
I love the bowl games as I finally get to see a few teams I didn't see during the season. Simple to not watch if you are not interested. That is what I do during March Madness.
Wait...WHAT?! You're allowed to NOT WATCH March Madness!? The MBB's board's collective head just exploded!
Last Edited: 12/12/2023 10:01:32 AM by D.A.
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colobobcat66
12/12/2023 10:03 AM
Tymaster wrote:expand_more
Nearly everybody agrees that there are way too many bowl games, in some places that are not exactly winter hotspots, many sponsored by companies we never heard of, and even open to teams with losing records. We’ve had mostly NFL worthy players opt out because of multiple reasons including fear of injury. Now we’ve got the transfer portal with anywhere from a few to a few dozen players not playing for some teams. I think I saw that there’s only 13 bowls that didn’t see a head coach, OC/DC or starting QB leave. It’s just a matter of time until there won’t be enough qualified players at each position to play the game. Now teams are threatening to strike before the game or not play the game at all.

These games are becoming not much more than spring games than ever before. It’s a circus, but of course, some people like circuses.
Don't watch. Problem solved. Read a book. Go to the gym. Spend time with your family. Why is this such a difficult concept?
I will do something different , thank you for the suggestions, I really needed that. Certainly better than watching those watered down spring games.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/12/2023 10:06 AM
AlumDadDad wrote:expand_more
I'm off during the weeks around Christmas. I like a steady stream of non-conference matchups on my TV. During the first week in January, I am heads-down into work. The bowl games on Blue Turf and in Frisco, Arkansas are my Frosty and Rudolph. They can co-exist with the playoffs in my world.
Amen brother. No one has ever heard me say "That's just too much football". If one finds the number of bowl games offensive, then don't watch them. Go Christmas shopping or go outside soak up some of that gray Ohio sky!

But seriously, the NCAA needs to put their great minds to work deconflicting the portal and bowl system.
Sometimes I think people complain just to complain. TOO MUCH FOOTBALL?!

You know how much garbage football we've watched as MAC fans? You think we're not gonna watch BOWL GAMES? America loves football. I love random football.

I mean, I hate games that are in Alabama with two teams from the Midwest, and think the product would be greatly improved with regional sites, but I'll still watch.

There aren't more bowls bc nobody watches. It's quite the opposite. Barstool Bowl last year had 1 million in-app views. And as we remember - bc the boomers threw a daily fit about it - the game was streamed. Nearly a million people pulled out their phones and tablets to watch OU football in a watered down spring game.

These fringe games aren't going anywhere, despite the NCAA trying to murder it's bread winner with loose portal rules.
Last Edited: 12/12/2023 10:09:54 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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greencat
12/12/2023 10:28 AM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
I love the bowl games as I finally get to see a few teams I didn't see during the season. Simple to not watch if you are not interested. That is what I do during March Madness.
Wait...WHAT?! You're allowed to NOT WATCH March Madness!? The MBB's board's collective head just exploded!
March Madness is one of the greatest things ever. Winning the office pool most years is not just about the money...it's bragging rights too. And then there are the underdogs who go on an unlikely run like the St. Peters Peacocks and other Cinderella story teams. Even if a team sneaks in as a #16 seed...thrill of a lifetime for those guys to be in it.
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Tymaster
12/12/2023 11:36 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
I'm off during the weeks around Christmas. I like a steady stream of non-conference matchups on my TV. During the first week in January, I am heads-down into work. The bowl games on Blue Turf and in Frisco, Arkansas are my Frosty and Rudolph. They can co-exist with the playoffs in my world.
Amen brother. No one has ever heard me say "That's just too much football". If one finds the number of bowl games offensive, then don't watch them. Go Christmas shopping or go outside soak up some of that gray Ohio sky!

But seriously, the NCAA needs to put their great minds to work deconflicting the portal and bowl system.
Sometimes I think people complain just to complain. TOO MUCH FOOTBALL?!

You know how much garbage football we've watched as MAC fans? You think we're not gonna watch BOWL GAMES? America loves football. I love random football.

I mean, I hate games that are in Alabama with two teams from the Midwest, and think the product would be greatly improved with regional sites, but I'll still watch.

There aren't more bowls bc nobody watches. It's quite the opposite. Barstool Bowl last year had 1 million in-app views. And as we remember - bc the boomers threw a daily fit about it - the game was streamed. Nearly a million people pulled out their phones and tablets to watch OU football in a watered down spring game.

These fringe games aren't going anywhere, despite the NCAA trying to murder it's bread winner with loose portal rules.

That bowl is now on the CW which gives it more reach than any of the ESPN or ABC bowls. ABC actually only reaches 98% of households but the CW has 100%. Whether or not people access that is another story.
Last Edited: 12/12/2023 11:41:10 AM by Tymaster
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/12/2023 12:19 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
There aren't more bowls bc nobody watches. It's quite the opposite. Barstool Bowl last year had 1 million in-app views. And as we remember - bc the boomers threw a daily fit about it - the game was streamed. Nearly a million people pulled out their phones and tablets to watch OU football in a watered down spring game.
The Barstool bowl maxed out at 130,000 concurrent viewers, and 500,000 unique viewers during the course of the game. That's well below what a game aired on TV would see.
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Tymaster
12/12/2023 12:21 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
There aren't more bowls bc nobody watches. It's quite the opposite. Barstool Bowl last year had 1 million in-app views. And as we remember - bc the boomers threw a daily fit about it - the game was streamed. Nearly a million people pulled out their phones and tablets to watch OU football in a watered down spring game.
The Barstool bowl maxed out at 130,000 concurrent viewers, and 500,000 unique viewers during the course of the game. That's well below what a game aired on TV would see.
It's on network tv this year. Problem solved.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/12/2023 2:30 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
There aren't more bowls bc nobody watches. It's quite the opposite. Barstool Bowl last year had 1 million in-app views. And as we remember - bc the boomers threw a daily fit about it - the game was streamed. Nearly a million people pulled out their phones and tablets to watch OU football in a watered down spring game.
The Barstool bowl maxed out at 130,000 concurrent viewers, and 500,000 unique viewers during the course of the game. That's well below what a game aired on TV would see.
In your rush to own me, you skipped over the point.

This is a thread entitled "bowl game nonsense" about how everyones hates bowls.

In my rebut, I pointed out that 500,000 unique viewers (thank you) pulled out their phone to watch what another gentlemen called a spring game. It IS well below what you would hope a game aired on TV would see - that's also the point.

The appetite for games some are deeming as inconsequential and meaningless draw 500,000 eyeballs to a random website to watch, and will still have at least a million eyeballs on their TV screens at 11AM on Saturday.
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Casper71
12/12/2023 2:44 PM
If viewership is 500,000 people probably 350,000 of them are gamblers who care more about the lines than the teams. The new reality.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/12/2023 2:56 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
In your rush to own me, you skipped over the point.

This is a thread entitled "bowl game nonsense" about how everyones hates bowls.

In my rebut, I pointed out that 500,000 unique viewers (thank you) pulled out their phone to watch what another gentlemen called a spring game. It IS well below what you would hope a game aired on TV would see - that's also the point.

The appetite for games some are deeming as inconsequential and meaningless draw 500,000 eyeballs to a random website to watch, and will still have at least a million eyeballs on their TV screens at 11AM on Saturday.
I didn't miss the point. But the point you're making isn't well-supported by the Barstool data.

On the Nielsen scale, 150k concurrent viewers is, I think, a 0.0010 rating. 150k out of a potential 120 million households. You think the Arizona Bowl moved the game to the CW because they were super pumped about 130,000 concurrent viewers and 500k unique viewers? The lowest rated game otherwise drew 918k concurrent viewers.

There's an appetite for bowl games, but not enough of one to get people over to Barstool's app.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/12/2023 3:07 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
In your rush to own me, you skipped over the point.

This is a thread entitled "bowl game nonsense" about how everyones hates bowls.

In my rebut, I pointed out that 500,000 unique viewers (thank you) pulled out their phone to watch what another gentlemen called a spring game. It IS well below what you would hope a game aired on TV would see - that's also the point.

The appetite for games some are deeming as inconsequential and meaningless draw 500,000 eyeballs to a random website to watch, and will still have at least a million eyeballs on their TV screens at 11AM on Saturday.
I didn't miss the point. But the point you're making isn't well-supported by the Barstool data.

On the Nielsen scale, 150k concurrent viewers is, I think, a 0.0010 rating. 150k out of a potential 120 million households. You think the Arizona Bowl moved the game to the CW because they were super pumped about 130,000 concurrent viewers and 500k unique viewers? The lowest rated game otherwise drew 918k concurrent viewers.

There's an appetite for bowl games, but not enough of one to get people over to Barstool's app.
Go outside.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/12/2023 3:14 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
In your rush to own me, you skipped over the point.

This is a thread entitled "bowl game nonsense" about how everyones hates bowls.

In my rebut, I pointed out that 500,000 unique viewers (thank you) pulled out their phone to watch what another gentlemen called a spring game. It IS well below what you would hope a game aired on TV would see - that's also the point.

The appetite for games some are deeming as inconsequential and meaningless draw 500,000 eyeballs to a random website to watch, and will still have at least a million eyeballs on their TV screens at 11AM on Saturday.
I didn't miss the point. But the point you're making isn't well-supported by the Barstool data.

On the Nielsen scale, 150k concurrent viewers is, I think, a 0.0010 rating. 150k out of a potential 120 million households. You think the Arizona Bowl moved the game to the CW because they were super pumped about 130,000 concurrent viewers and 500k unique viewers? The lowest rated game otherwise drew 918k concurrent viewers.

There's an appetite for bowl games, but not enough of one to get people over to Barstool's app.
Go outside.
Is "outside" where Ike Cornish is good? Sorry you keep ending up wrong. But don't worry, your anger does a great job of distracting people from it. Nobody can even tell.
Last Edited: 12/12/2023 3:23:50 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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colobobcat66
12/12/2023 5:56 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
There aren't more bowls bc nobody watches. It's quite the opposite. Barstool Bowl last year had 1 million in-app views. And as we remember - bc the boomers threw a daily fit about it - the game was streamed. Nearly a million people pulled out their phones and tablets to watch OU football in a watered down spring game.
The Barstool bowl maxed out at 130,000 concurrent viewers, and 500,000 unique viewers during the course of the game. That's well below what a game aired on TV would see.
In your rush to own me, you skipped over the point.

This is a thread entitled "bowl game nonsense" about how everyones hates bowls.

In my rebut, I pointed out that 500,000 unique viewers (thank you) pulled out their phone to watch what another gentlemen called a spring game. It IS well below what you would hope a game aired on TV would see - that's also the point.

The appetite for games some are deeming as inconsequential and meaningless draw 500,000 eyeballs to a random website to watch, and will still have at least a million eyeballs on their TV screens at 11AM on Saturday.
Sorry, my main points are not that most people hate bowl games, but that there are too many bowls as evidenced by the fact that there aren’t even enough .500 teams available to play in them, their locations don’t make a lot of sense as far as a winter break and there’s a lot of pressure from different fronts making it difficult to field teams that represent who the teams were during the season. I like bowl games and watch bowl games (certainly not all of them by any means), but it’s seems crazy to me to see the turmoil churning around college football and the bowl season. Let’s see how the ratings are this year to judge if there’s any reason to be concerned about what’s happening. Maybe, maybe not.
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Tymaster
12/13/2023 7:56 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
There aren't more bowls bc nobody watches. It's quite the opposite. Barstool Bowl last year had 1 million in-app views. And as we remember - bc the boomers threw a daily fit about it - the game was streamed. Nearly a million people pulled out their phones and tablets to watch OU football in a watered down spring game.
The Barstool bowl maxed out at 130,000 concurrent viewers, and 500,000 unique viewers during the course of the game. That's well below what a game aired on TV would see.
In your rush to own me, you skipped over the point.

This is a thread entitled "bowl game nonsense" about how everyones hates bowls.

In my rebut, I pointed out that 500,000 unique viewers (thank you) pulled out their phone to watch what another gentlemen called a spring game. It IS well below what you would hope a game aired on TV would see - that's also the point.

The appetite for games some are deeming as inconsequential and meaningless draw 500,000 eyeballs to a random website to watch, and will still have at least a million eyeballs on their TV screens at 11AM on Saturday.
Sorry, my main points are not that most people hate bowl games, but that there are too many bowls as evidenced by the fact that there aren’t even enough .500 teams available to play in them, their locations don’t make a lot of sense as far as a winter break and there’s a lot of pressure from different fronts making it difficult to field teams that represent who the teams were during the season. I like bowl games and watch bowl games (certainly not all of them by any means), but it’s seems crazy to me to see the turmoil churning around college football and the bowl season. Let’s see how the ratings are this year to judge if there’s any reason to be concerned about what’s happening. Maybe, maybe not.

Fair enough.
I'm curious to see what becomes of the bowl games once we settle on the playoff. My hunch is they are much less interesting to the masses. The other side of that coin is that even at half a million viewers or so, that is a great deal of eyeballs for what is now called "appointment viewing" and will still have a lot of appeal to advertisers. People just don't settle in front of the television for many live things these days other than sports, really. A sitcom or drama or talk show even - you can DVR that or watch it on Hulu or Peacock or whatever. That doesn't work so well for a hockey match or a football contest. Time will tell.
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M.D.W.S.T
12/13/2023 8:29 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
In your rush to own me, you skipped over the point.

This is a thread entitled "bowl game nonsense" about how everyones hates bowls.

In my rebut, I pointed out that 500,000 unique viewers (thank you) pulled out their phone to watch what another gentlemen called a spring game. It IS well below what you would hope a game aired on TV would see - that's also the point.

The appetite for games some are deeming as inconsequential and meaningless draw 500,000 eyeballs to a random website to watch, and will still have at least a million eyeballs on their TV screens at 11AM on Saturday.
I didn't miss the point. But the point you're making isn't well-supported by the Barstool data.

On the Nielsen scale, 150k concurrent viewers is, I think, a 0.0010 rating. 150k out of a potential 120 million households. You think the Arizona Bowl moved the game to the CW because they were super pumped about 130,000 concurrent viewers and 500k unique viewers? The lowest rated game otherwise drew 918k concurrent viewers.

There's an appetite for bowl games, but not enough of one to get people over to Barstool's app.
Go outside.
Is "outside" where Ike Cornish is good? Sorry you keep ending up wrong. But don't worry, your anger does a great job of distracting people from it. Nobody can even tell.
As always, your tired shtick is so boring most people ignore it. And as always, your pointless babbling fails to hit.

You get put in your place. You're feeling embarrassed. I get it man. Then switch it up to... Ike Cornish... ? .... Top 100 recruit in America... in a football thread about bowl games? (are you under the impression that I run ESPN Recruiting? Do you think I sit on the board at Rivals?)

Again - your profoundly ignorant posts are usually ignored, so do what you can! Keep trying, buddy!
Last Edited: 12/13/2023 8:32:28 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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