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TWT
12/6/2023 2:19 PM
One of the big changes the past 10 years as far as attendance is concerned is the networks have full control of the start times. That hampers optimizing start times to maximize attendance and its a problem in both football and basketball. The top for Ohio attendance is likely in. Everything has been tried already with beer and concessions.

10 years ago was before the world of NIL where FBS was scholarship vs. scholarship. MAC as a rural league isn't as competitive that way as even the AAC which makes it easier to compete in. Also the sit out transfer rule made it more possible for basketball programs to build up depth but with free transfer Ohio is losing half its roster every year. Football its less of an issue and provides some space to retool.

The university should avoid big changes in staff as NIL evolves. If in fact Ohio is regulated down to low major status in a few years there would be no point of loading up on a football or basketball coach. NIL is not an exact science as of yet.
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71 BOBCAT
12/6/2023 2:53 PM
It would be great it someone can simplify these changes; what's the cost to Ohio?
This change could have devastating consequences to our sports programs.
I would like to see our AD articulate what this change will mean for Ohio.
Does anyone know when this change will go into effect?




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TWT
12/6/2023 3:12 PM
I don't think the MAC as of yet has a plan to opt-in or not.
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Victory
12/6/2023 4:16 PM
perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
Ohio State's OOC schedule every year consists of 3 home buy-out games with non-AQs and 1 home and home with a lower tier AQ. That's 7 of 8 home games every two years. If they no longer play buy out games that will mean 3 less home games every two years.

Last year OSU avgd $5.2 million in ticket rev/game. 7 home games - 6 buyouts = $30.4m in OOC ticket rev every two years. If they have to switch to an even number of home and away OOC games then their ticket revenue would be 4 home games X $5.2m= $20.8m. That's a net loss of -$9.6m + travel expenses for 3 additional road games every 2 years.

That's not chump change, even for a cash cow. Plus you'll have to factor in a potential loss in overall ticket and merchandise sales when a team that thrives on the money from bandwagon fans starts to lose some fans off the bandwagon. Under the curent structure bandwagon buckeyes are almost always guaranteed a preseason top 25 ranking plus 3 or 4 easy home games in Sept that are low anxiety, high probability wins. It's one big party for everybody. But, what happens when they start going 2-2 or 1-3 in Sept?
Big Ten fans are used to having 7 home games most seasons. In order to do that they need 2 buy games most years from G% or FCS teams. If everyone in the B10 does that and they play 10 conference games then there will still be data on how much better (or at least very likely so) the B10 is than the G5 conferences but almost none in how it compares to the rest of the P5. At least, as far as there will be little direct data and only relative comparisons of how the P5 conferences performed against G5 as a whole. SEC and B10 fans expect to dominate playoff at large bids. If the expect that privilege then in my mind it is there job to earn it every year. Something probably won't square here. It might come down to the unspoken give us what we want, if we have earned it this year or not, or we'll get together and leave the NCAA.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
12/6/2023 4:30 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
It would be great it someone can simplify these changes; what's the cost to Ohio?
This change could have devastating consequences to our sports programs.
I would like to see our AD articulate what this change will mean for Ohio.
Does anyone know when this change will go into effect?




71 BOBCAT
It hasn't even been voted on. NCAA annual convention will be the first opportunity to vote on it -- that's in January. Probably a year from implementation if it's voted in.

The most likely reason that the big schools wouldn't vote for this is that they may have no interest in cutting the NCAA in on any of this. If they're effectively paying players directly, do they need a governing body to oversee them, or should they break off and form their own?
Last Edited: 12/6/2023 4:31:27 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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GoCats105
12/6/2023 4:32 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
This thread is worth revisiting, talk of the playoffs in football, OHIO's spot in the world, and of course expanding Peden.
The talks of 50,000 and 60,000 expansions really gave me a giggle.

IF...and that's humongous if given the latest FBS news and amount of money it would take...Ohio were to expand or renovate Peden, I'd want them to do what Oregon State just did. It's a little over 35,000 with the ability to add standing room only. But this was more about quality than quantity.

https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2023/08/oregon-state-s...
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TWT
12/6/2023 4:53 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
This thread is worth revisiting, talk of the playoffs in football, OHIO's spot in the world, and of course expanding Peden.
The talks of 50,000 and 60,000 expansions really gave me a giggle.

IF...and that's humongous if given the latest FBS news and amount of money it would take...Ohio were to expand or renovate Peden, I'd want them to do what Oregon State just did. It's a little over 35,000 with the ability to add standing room only. But this was more about quality than quantity.

https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2023/08/oregon-state-s...
If the university dictated the start times instead of ESPN+ and could have the early season night games again maybe the numbers would return to the point to justify a small deck of 4,000 seats or so. Its not happening if Ohio has to play noon games in August.
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BSC 91
12/8/2023 6:54 PM
Zaleski wrote:expand_more
You know, the more I think about this idea of splitting into separate divisions the more I like it, if, they come up with a system of promotion and relegation, such as they have in English professional football.

I can see it now, Kentucky and Kansas desperately trying for wins at the end of the season to avoid relegation while the top four teams in the Champions division fight it out to see who gets promoted. That would be fun and exciting.
No team who could get relegated would ever go for that, though it would be very entertaining.
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L.C.
12/9/2023 7:12 AM
BSC 91 wrote:expand_more
You know, the more I think about this idea of splitting into separate divisions the more I like it, if, they come up with a system of promotion and relegation, such as they have in English professional football.

I can see it now, Kentucky and Kansas desperately trying for wins at the end of the season to avoid relegation while the top four teams in the Champions division fight it out to see who gets promoted. That would be fun and exciting.
No team who could get relegated would ever go for that, though it would be very entertaining.

They might, if the potential benefits were as big as the potential risks. There are plenty of P5 programs that have no real hope of breaking through the top in the current system. There are lots of schools like Kansas, Kansas State Colorado, Iowa State, Wake Forest, Baylor, Minnesota, Oregon State, Rutgers, Nebraska, Missouri, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Virginia Tech, etc. may have had brighter pasts, but currently have no real path to break through to the top five. If a system is created that not only presents risks of them being relegated down, but also has potential paths for them to be elevated to elite circles, they might agree.
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