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Posted: 8/26/2012 8:15 AM
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Before we talk about expansion, would it hurt to upgrade the bathrooms to something that resembles the 21st century? The troughs have to go. 

Concourse/restrooms/concessions absolutely need upgrades.  The concourse is just too dark.  The concourse at Infocision is awesome.  Akron really did it right.


This is what needs to happen next unless the magical gift to totally transform the student side appears.  And, that just ain't gonna happen.


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Posted: 8/26/2012 8:32 AM
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Before we talk about expansion, would it hurt to upgrade the bathrooms to something that resembles the 21st century? The troughs have to go. 

Concourse/restrooms/concessions absolutely need upgrades.  The concourse is just too dark.  The concourse at Infocision is awesome.  Akron really did it right.


This is what needs to happen next unless the magical gift to totally transform the student side appears.  And, that just ain't gonna happen.




Agreed.  I'd also like to see the "Champions Club" expanded (or at least more chair backs) on the tower side.  (Anyone know how ticket sales in that area went?)
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Posted: 8/27/2012 10:46 AM
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Article from back in 2000: http://www.ohio.edu/ohiotoday/winter00/departments/gandw/peden.html

I assume the new indoor facility is too close to Peden for a deck to be constructed.



Love the second-deck option illustrated here.  I'm in agreement with those who say it's a perception thing, and that by building it you will draw.  You have to change the image by starting with the stadium.  If it doesn't feel like major college football, then it's makes it that much more difficult to get the students and fans engaged.  I love Peden, but it does not feel like major college football.  Personally, I think you can have it one of two ways: only one level of seating, but that seeting has to be wrapped entire around, or a second deck of some sort somewhere.  By only having one level of seating, and having two ends open it does look like a high school stadium. 
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Posted: 8/27/2012 12:54 PM
With regards to expansion, I think it's absolutely necessary to begin looking at this now, not 3-5 years from now.  I think the momentum gained by OUr Athletics department definitely dictates that they get to work on this.  Certainly, we all have to acknowledge that there’s a funding challenge, but it's something that needs to be looked into, and soon.  I'd be surprised if these discussions haven't been had to some degree already.

Now, how to go about doing it to get it up to competitive standards.   There’s no reason that a capacity any higher than 30,000 to 32,000 is necessary.  More important is making it feel and look like a true D1 facility.  I think it's vital to keep the "classic" look, with brick exterior throughout the stadium.  I'm in agreement that something should be done to make the corners more incorporated, but more important to me is updating the facilities themselves, as others have said.  Bathrooms, and concessions are archaic, and that's where any upgrading needs to be focused.  If adding capacity is the goal, then completely tearing down the student side is the way to go.  Tear it down, and either have two "decks", or have one that's steeper and obviously larger than what we have now.  I believe that getting the restroom and concession facilities in place, along with updated scoreboards/sound system, and increased capacity have to be priorities over eliminating the corner sections that everyone seems to dislike so much.  It would seem to me that it shouldn’t be terribly difficult to find a way to the corner sections “blend” with the other two sideline sections so that it seem more seamless.   No matter what they elect to do, they have to get started on it soon.
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Posted: 8/27/2012 3:29 PM
Those sections can't be "blended". They are at a different elevation and angle than the main grandstands. It's not just a gap we're dealing with.

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Posted: 8/27/2012 4:27 PM
I feel like I'm on the set of "Hostel" when I'm walking under the stands and into the bathrooms.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 12:36 AM
The second level on student side gets my vote! I'd also like to see updated restrooms, concession area, and room for merchandise sales.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 1:32 AM
2nd level doesn't work--kinda far away and not in line with the main part of that side.

General parking and game programs are only $5 per.  NMSU, EMU and BG game tix as low as $15 (single game tix) and highest seat price we have is $40.  Raise those prices.

Student seating is only about 25% of Peden.  If non-students can sell out the other 18k tickets, it's time for expansion....after new bathrooms and tunnel concourse.
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Posted: 8/28/2012 10:43 AM
Peden doesn't need an expansion right now.  Let's worry about sustaining attendance and getting big donations for athletics on a consistent basis before we talk about a major renovation.

However, let's just say we have somewhere in the ballpark of $50 million out of nowhere today.

1) Bathrooms.  Oh my God last year I had to use the toilet on the tower side last year.  The stall was so poorly lit that I felt like I was in a medieval dungeon awaiting execution.

2) I don't think it would be at all possible to complete the corner seats at the north end to fully wrap around because South Green Dr is so close, I feel like there must be an ordinance that prevents seats from being too close to a road. I personally think it would be best if we added another set of corner seats at the south endzone.  We add seating capacity by maybe around 5-7k, and still get to keep Victory Hill open.

3) $50 million would not be enough to cover this if you renovate the bathrooms and add seats, but holy cow can we upgrade that kitchen CRT TV on top of Victory Hill? I can't tell what's what on an instant replay ever.
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Posted: 9/3/2012 3:28 PM
I guarantee home sellouts as long as we're undefeated.

Will there be a donation jar I can drop my change into Saturday?  Very excited to see the atmosphere on campus this Saturday.  Students alone should pack Peden.
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Posted: 9/3/2012 3:48 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
I feel like I'm on the set of "Hostel" when I'm walking under the stands and into the bathrooms.


Now that's pretty darn scary.................
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Posted: 9/3/2012 4:17 PM
good point about attendance bumps being temporary at best because of the look of stadium. Akron has the finest college football stadium in Ohio but they sure don't put many bodies in the seats. First game was the only one close to a sellout now they are lucky to have 10000 to a game, that only if an Ohio is playing that day. Of course maybe some people are still under the impression the zips still play in the rubber bowl. That would scare anyone away.
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Posted: 9/3/2012 4:30 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
I guarantee home sellouts as long as we're undefeated.

Will there be a donation jar I can drop my change into Saturday?  Very excited to see the atmosphere on campus this Saturday.  Students alone should pack Peden.


Have we ever had a sell out?  I don't mean where reported attendance exceeded capacity but where if you walked up to the gate you couldn't buy a ticket to get in.
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Posted: 9/3/2012 4:36 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I guarantee home sellouts as long as we're undefeated.

Will there be a donation jar I can drop my change into Saturday?  Very excited to see the atmosphere on campus this Saturday.  Students alone should pack Peden.


Have we ever had a sell out?  I don't mean where reported attendance exceeded capacity but where if you walked up to the gate you couldn't buy a ticket to get in.

Couldn't tell you, but we will this Saturday.  If I'm on the outside looking in I'm risking getting arrested to hop the fence.
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Posted: 9/3/2012 7:17 PM
Back in the day, when Peden's official capacity was something like 18,000, I not only remember sellouts -- when you couldn't buy a ticket, but scalpers outside the stadium selling tickets.  This was circa 1955-1965; I can't remember the exact years but it was in that general ballpark -- probably 1960 was one of those years.  But I do recall big games where the demand was greater than the supply.  I'd love to see that happen again. 

Edit: I remember the national college division championship game against the Southern Illinois University when there were literally people hanging off the sides of the old press box to find a spare corner.  Years later, I discovered that one of my colleagues at Murray State had actually been doing the broadcast on the SIU network for that game.  I was coming back with him from an RTVND meeting in New York and we were chatting about sports and I mention having been at that game and he says, "I was doing the broadcast for SIU."  I was really taken aback.  One of those "small world" moments.  For the record, I was still in high school at the time of this game.  
Last Edited: 9/3/2012 7:22:09 PM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 9/3/2012 8:07 PM
No way do we need to think expansion just yet. Ticket sales are way up, but there's still a long way to go before we consistently sell-out. I think there's some real power in having demand. If it becomes challenging to get a ticket, that's not such a bad thing.

Since Peden got to it's current version (I believe the mid-80's or so was when the infamous "corners" were added), we have NEVER turned a fan away. Pitt and UCONN were both huge crowds, but not true sell-outs. I've often wondered what the true "capacity" of Peden is with the hill...i.e. what is the maximum we can fit before we have to turn fans away. Maybe we'll find out this year!!

Nevertheless, serious renovations are needed. 1929 isn't getting any more recent. Restrooms, concessions, concourses, lighting...you name it, it needs replaced.
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Posted: 9/3/2012 10:42 PM
      As for the need to do something coupled with a sense of urgency, there was an article in the Wheeling Intelligencer last week about how the Big East is still looking for a 14th member for football so that they can divide into 2 divisions and go with a Championship game.  The article was clear that the Big East was serious about doing this and that they were looking for another team to add.  With OUr current success and the I.P.F. now becoming a reality, perhaps we look a bit more interesting.  The win over PSU surely had to impress some people.  
      
       Either way, I agree that something needs to be done to expand Peden and bring it into the 21st Century.  I personally like the upper deck on the student side and doing something with the north end zone.  As for the facilities, lets say that I use that term loosely. 

GO BOBCATS!
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Posted: 9/3/2012 11:16 PM
So to all those advocating for a stadium expansion when we don't even know how numbers will be this year (you can speculate all you want that they will be huge, but you will never know until the games), how do you expect us to pay for it all?  Already we're adding another building, our training facility, when we barely have the funds to fully staff and operate the rest of our buildings.  We're also about to start renovating the South Green dorms which I've seen ballpark estimates in the hundreds of millions.  We're already in a multi-million dollar hole with very little hope of getting out soon.  Students are having to pay out the ass as it is in the general fee to fund athletics (even those that don't attend have to pay), many of which wish they could use that 700 a quarter to pay for things such as food, tuition, or rent.  Unless we get a donation just for this, it shouldn't happen because those that pay just can't afford things like the general fee to go up anymore for the sake of athletics.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 12:45 AM
Apparently, the IPF is being built on a 'cash' (all paid for upfront) basis with operating costs each year coming out of I don't know what (ongoing fees?  return and/or paydown from a standing endowment...or a to be built endownment?).

How much would expansion cost?  It could be built like, I think (?), the Convo was/is:  Borrowing (issuance of bonds) with interest and principal paid each year for so many years.  Somewhat similar to how must people buy a house...via a mortgage, that is by paying off a bit of prinicpal and interest each year over a long number of years.

So, such bond/mortgage financing means that we don't need to have the full cost of expansion in hand on day one.

Of course, there needs to be ability to pay on the bonds/mortgage and to pay the ongoing operating costs.

By the way, is the Convo paid off yet?
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Posted: 9/4/2012 9:58 AM
Monroe, I believe I recall about a decade or more ago that the university announced that the Convo had been paid for.  I believe it was part of a total debt restructuring that occurred at that time.  My memory is a little dim on this, but I think that's the essence of the matter.  The Convo had a very strange mix of funding.  A fairly significant portion of it was paid by the feds through a program that gave colleges money for building dorms.  That's why there are dorm rooms in the Convo.  The rest was financed through bonds.  $1 million was supposed to come from local business tycoon Fred Beasley, who at the zenith of his career owned 50 Ford dealerships throughout the nation (mainly Midwest).  At about the time he announced the donation, some members of his family had him declared "mentally incompetent" and the pledge was never fulfilled.  There were also, as I've heard "rumored on the streets," some other reasons that the gift never materialized.  This had to do with some "off mic" comments by an Ohio University official not complimentary to Beasley that got back to him.  It's never been clear to me whether Beasley himself reneged because of these remarks before the court judgement on his competency, or if this information got back to him and his family later. 
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Posted: 9/4/2012 1:17 PM
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So to all those advocating for a stadium expansion when we don't even know how numbers will be this year (you can speculate all you want that they will be huge, but you will never know until the games), how do you expect us to pay for it all?

You're are correct.  We don't know whether the #'s will be huge, we also don't know if the #'s will be small.  I would love to hear some speculation on why we won't have a packed Peden Saturday.  The way I see it, we've built a very solid student fanbase through OUr success the last 4 years.  Go on social media, people care now.  I didn't see any red last week.  What freshman wouldn't want to be in Peden coming off a win over Penn State for the first home game of their college career.  What upperclassmen doesn't want to be at this game with all the success we've had the last couple years?  Beyond the students, we don't need Bernard Debatin or Steve Hays in Peden to fill the place.  These two aren't college football fans.  Most of America is a fan of college football.  $4.50 will bring plenty of locals in to watch a MAC team that just beat Penn State and is being hyped as a BCS buster.  

I expect this expansion to come from fundraising, which I hope the AD is already planning on starting.  It would be foolish not to capitalize on the press this season is creating.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 1:21 PM
Can anyone tell me how much Infocision cost Akron?
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Posted: 9/4/2012 1:29 PM
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Can anyone tell me how much Infocision cost Akron?
$61.6MM

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/MidAmerica/Akron/newin...
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Posted: 9/4/2012 1:46 PM
I expected it to be way more, that encourages me about our chances to do something soon.  Still (obviously) will need huge donor push.
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Posted: 9/4/2012 3:05 PM
$45 million tower, $16 million steel bleachers.



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