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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:00 PM
WOW.

http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-teos-dead-girlfriend-th...
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:05 PM
Congrats to BobcatAttack's own Tim Burke for writing the story (or being a co-writer).
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:10 PM
Manti Te'o... Lizzy Seeberg... ND really racking them up.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:27 PM
This is really outstanding stuff. 
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:39 PM
Nobody is allowed to rip on Burke for his "work" now. Awesome job Tim 
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Posted: 1/16/2013 5:43 PM
I didn't realize that was one and the same, well done Tim!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:09 PM
From the "You Can't Make This Up" File: https://twitter.com/MTeo_5/status/260572076254064640
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:18 PM
Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


 
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:21 PM
That...is one of the most bizarre stories I have ever read. Wow. Excellent reporting by Burke and the people at Deadspin.

I'm throwing this out there: this sickens me. As a guy who actually did have a girlfriend pass away from cancer, I was somewhat understandable and sympathetic to Te'o this season, and I am not a Notre Dame fan by any stretch of the imagination. If he knew about this hoax and did it for a publicity stunt to increase his Heisman chances, I have lost absolutely every once of respect for him and will never, ever give it back.

Toying with people's emotions is one thing. Using them to self-promote your "character" is another. Think of all the people who donated money because of this girl.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:25 PM
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Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


 


Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society? 
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:41 PM
Outstanding work. Very thorough. Probably will be one of the biggest sports stories of the year, especially from a social media buzz POV.

If this type of outstanding reporting was performed on the Benghazi situation...look out...
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:44 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


Are you this crotchety in real life?
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Posted: 1/16/2013 6:59 PM
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Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


 


Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society? 


No, but I might be implying it.


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Posted: 1/16/2013 7:04 PM
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Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society?

Indeed it says a lot about our society, but the article itself just presents the facts. It is up to the reader to see what he/she can learn from it. It says a lot about how voters can be manipulated for one thing. It also says a lot about hoaxes can be perpetrated using modern electronic media. There is also something to be learned about how images can be tracked, and about how, if you maintain an internet relationship, you may or may not be talking to who you think you are.

As I read it, I found myself wondering if Manti was in on it, or a victim, too. The fact that this fake person had a relationship with at least one other person prior to Manti may indicate that at least initially it was a prank on Manti. It strikes me as plausible that the car accident, the hospital stay, and death were created to keep Manti from catching on to why he couldn't actually meet her. But, if that's true, there has to be at least one other person involved, someone that played the voice of Lennay to Manti and to his family, since both talked to "Lennay" on the phone.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 7:11 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


 


Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society? 


No, but I might be implying it.




Fair. Your implication surprises me. 
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Posted: 1/16/2013 7:12 PM
A followup article from Paul Myerburg adds a statement purportedly from Manti:
on espn.com wrote:expand_more
"This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but over an extended period of time, I developed an emotional relationship with a woman I met online," Te'o said. "We maintained what I thought to be an authentic relationship by communicating frequently online and on the phone, and I grew to care deeply about her.
"To realize that I was the victim of what was apparently someone's sick joke and constant lies was, and is, painful and humiliating.
It further pains me that the grief I felt and the sympathies expressed to me at the time of my grandmother's death in September were in any way deepened by what I believed to be another significant loss in my life.
"I am enormously grateful for the support of my family, friends and Notre Dame fans throughout this year. To think that I shared with them my happiness about my relationship and details that I thought to be true about her just makes me sick. I hope that people can understand how trying and confusing this whole experience has been.
"In retrospect, I obviously should have been much more cautious. If anything good comes of this, I hope it is that others will be far more guarded when they engage with people online than I was. Fortunately, I have many wonderful things in my life, and I'm looking forward to putting this painful experience behind me as I focus on preparing for the NFL Draft."


If it is true that he was the victim, and not the perpetrator the lesson is in the last paragraph. "If anything good comes of this, I hope it is that others will be far more guarded when they engage with people online than I was." He wasn't the first, and won't be the last person to fall for something like this.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 7:13 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society?

Indeed it says a lot about our society, but the article itself just presents the facts. It is up to the reader to see what he/she can learn from it. It says a lot about how voters can be manipulated for one thing. It also says a lot about hoaxes can be perpetrated using modern electronic media. There is also something to be learned about how images can be tracked, and about how, if you maintain an internet relationship, you may or may not be talking to who you think you are.

As I read it, I found myself wondering if Manti was in on it, or a victim, too. The fact that this fake person had a relationship with at least one other person prior to Manti may indicate that at least initially it was a prank on Manti. It strikes me as plausible that the car accident, the hospital stay, and death were created to keep Manti from catching on to why he couldn't actually meet her. But, if that's true, there has to be at least one other person involved, someone that played the voice of Lennay to Manti and to his family, since both talked to "Lennay" on the phone.


Yes. I think it's fair to say that we won't have all the answers for some time. Just a weird story. 
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Posted: 1/16/2013 7:38 PM
SBH probably comes from an older generation, like many of us, and never had to deal with "internet relationships". Nevertheless, it is true that some of us old fogies know people who have gotten involved in "internet relationships" that turned out badly.  I once knew someone that sold everything and moved 500 miles to find a situation very different than expected, and I'm sure many others are familiar with similar stories. We also hear stories where predators trick children with online lies which they use as a pretext for meeting.

Yes, the issue of fraud in online relationships is an issue of societal significance, and one that extends beyond the individual people involved.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:03 PM
Tyler Charles wrote:expand_more
Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


 


Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society? 


No, but I might be implying it.




Fair. Your implication surprises me. 



The hoax has no magnitude.  And the story it's about 2,500 words long when it could have been half that.


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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:08 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


 


Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society? 


No, but I might be implying it.




Fair. Your implication surprises me. 



The hoax has no magnitude.  And the story it's about 2,500 words long when it could have been half that.




Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. The hoax certainly carries magnitude when a great deal of national media attention was given to Te'o based on his relationship and the trials he faced during the season due to that relationship. 
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:20 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


 


Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society? 


No, but I might be implying it.




Fair. Your implication surprises me. 



The hoax has no magnitude.  And the story it's about 2,500 words long when it could have been half that.




In this new-fangled medium known as the "inter-webs" an additional word, or an additional 1250 words, has a marginal cost to the publisher of approximately $0.00. Given the open-ended nature of inter-web pages, the formatting limitations of older formats (e.g. the # of inches of column space on a page, the number of pages in a publication) do not apply either.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:59 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance.  But no.


 


Are you inferring that a hoax of this magnitude isn't significant to society? 


No, but I might be implying it.


Fair. Your implication surprises me. 



The hoax has no magnitude.  And the story it's about 2,500 words long when it could have been half that.


Except it may have altered the Heisman Trophy voting and certainly caused people to donate some money in her name. It directly or indirectly affected hundreds, if not thousands of people. It also absolutely overshadowed Lance Armstrong. So, yes, it has magnitude.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 10:16 PM
The story was of appropriate length. Investigative pieces are not style pieces. Every scrap of pertinent information should be presented given the gravity of the accusations and the level of scrutiny the story is likely to receive from Notre Dame, Te'o and Tuiasosopo. Even while I'm not personally particularly interested in how this case turns out -- and as fetid as I find much of Gawker's and Deadspin's work -- the reporting here is thorough and appropriately so.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 10:20 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Based on the ridiculous length of the article, you'd think it covered an issue of some societal significance. But no.
I hope you are joking or this is an inside joke. Otherwise you are just a jerk. This is an excellent article and the significance is the continued lying to the public for personal gain.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 10:24 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
SBH probably comes from an older generation, like many of us, and never had to deal with "internet relationships". Nevertheless, it is true that some of us old fogies know people who have gotten involved in "internet relationships" that turned out badly. I once knew someone that sold everything and moved 500 miles to find a situation very different than expected, and I'm sure many others are familiar with similar stories. We also hear stories where predators trick children with online lies which they use as a pretext for meeting.

Yes, the issue of fraud in online relationships is an issue of societal significance, and one that extends beyond the individual people involved.
A person with this much pleasant personality is probably an expert on Internet relationships. What a jerk!
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