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Posted: 6/3/2013 9:55 PM
I never maintained it wasn't the case.  It is also to ensure the donations can be spent in the best interest of the athletic department and not just one program, which I am all for.  Give the greatest amount of resources you can to the people with the interest of the whole in mind versus the interest of just a part.
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Posted: 6/3/2013 10:32 PM

Is it possible that donors are holding off on the locker room project in anticipation for the Peden Stadium renovations to be unveiled during this football season?

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Posted: 6/3/2013 11:33 PM
None of us on this board are typical Ohio fans, but this year I made my OBC donation for seats and other perks and then I gave my BA football forum challenge payment to football recruiting.  It didn't really bother me that I wasn't getting seat credit for the extra amount.  In this regard, I wonder what the total was of BA challenge giving this year.  Monroe administered the program this year, and perhaps he has a total figure.  I'll bet the total is a fairly handsome figure.  Go OHIO!
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Posted: 6/3/2013 11:58 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more

Is it possible that donors are holding off on the locker room project in anticipation for the Peden Stadium renovations to be unveiled during this football season?



Riiiight. Cause that's happening.

I've asked around before, and Peden expansion isn't even on the radar. I'd bet a handsome sum of money to the OBC that Peden won't expand for at least the next 15 years. And you could probably extend that to 25 and be safe. There's so many other things higher on the priority list (and those take YEARS to fundraise for). The IPF was first brought up in the era of Jim Grobe and Tom Boeh. That's how long we've been waiting for that....
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Posted: 6/4/2013 6:32 AM
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Is it possible that donors are holding off on the locker room project in anticipation for the Peden Stadium renovations to be unveiled during this football season?



Riiiight. Cause that's happening.

I've asked around before, and Peden expansion isn't even on the radar. I'd bet a handsome sum of money to the OBC that Peden won't expand for at least the next 15 years. And you could probably extend that to 25 and be safe. There's so many other things higher on the priority list (and those take YEARS to fundraise for). The IPF was first brought up in the era of Jim Grobe and Tom Boeh. That's how long we've been waiting for that....

 

I'd be curious to hear what you think is higher on the priority list. I believe Peden is Top 5, if not Top 3. The IPF was the one major project ahead of it. That is taken care of.
 

I give it 10 years, max.

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Posted: 6/4/2013 8:43 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more

Is it possible that donors are holding off on the locker room project in anticipation for the Peden Stadium renovations to be unveiled during this football season?



Riiiight. Cause that's happening.

I've asked around before, and Peden expansion isn't even on the radar. I'd bet a handsome sum of money to the OBC that Peden won't expand for at least the next 15 years. And you could probably extend that to 25 and be safe. There's so many other things higher on the priority list (and those take YEARS to fundraise for). The IPF was first brought up in the era of Jim Grobe and Tom Boeh. That's how long we've been waiting for that....

 

I'd be curious to hear what you think is higher on the priority list. I believe Peden is Top 5, if not Top 3. The IPF was the one major project ahead of it. That is taken care of.
 

I give it 10 years, max.



I have a feeling that the people with the big money know a renovation of Peden is well down the road.  The AD would share that with them to get them on board with the current renovations of the locker room.  It is a rumor here, but the people that need to know what is going on know and I am sure they are not waiting for a Peden renovation.  That doesn't mean that a peden renovation doesn't happen if they can find someone interested in funding it at a high level.

I think there is a top 2 that are well in front of any other projects.

1. an academic building (Facilities are make shift Peden now and are converted wevery footbal weekend into suites for AD, visiting AD and President.  They need better space!  Not just from a what is important standpoint, but for recruiting.  Almost all other MAC and above programs have a better space dedicated to academics.)
2. practice facility for basketball and volleyball (court time and scheduling is a huge struggle. Especially with all the high school basketball tournament and other things that they could use the convo for for revenue generation.)

A renovation of Peden will not take place until the academic building is up.  It doesn't make sense to renovate it in two stages.  Wait until you can move people out of Peden and then draw up plans based on how you can use it moving forward.  I will not say it is 10 or 15 years down the road because if we keep winning and growing as a program, the timetable will change.
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Posted: 6/4/2013 10:04 AM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more

Is it possible that donors are holding off on the locker room project in anticipation for the Peden Stadium renovations to be unveiled during this football season?



Riiiight. Cause that's happening.

I've asked around before, and Peden expansion isn't even on the radar. I'd bet a handsome sum of money to the OBC that Peden won't expand for at least the next 15 years. And you could probably extend that to 25 and be safe. There's so many other things higher on the priority list (and those take YEARS to fundraise for). The IPF was first brought up in the era of Jim Grobe and Tom Boeh. That's how long we've been waiting for that....


Another theory behind not expanding the stadium could have to do with a new division level talked about by the NCAA. If Ohio is not going to expand the stadium, going back to my original post does it make sense to give the benchback seats behind the Ohio home bench to season ticket holders to increase revenue? I know it takes seat away from the the student section but you could also remove the general admission seating from that side. That would force walk ups to buy over on the home side to fill it more tightly.
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Posted: 6/4/2013 11:26 AM
I think the answer is simple: Money vs return.  We have not proven that we need an expansion.  We need to sell out on a consistent basis and at ticket prices that are higher than our current rates.  We are practically giving away tickets with some of the pricing.  Once we sell out with respectable pricing, then we can talk about stadium expansion.
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Posted: 6/4/2013 4:03 PM
Voice of Reason wrote:expand_more

Is it possible that donors are holding off on the locker room project in anticipation for the Peden Stadium renovations to be unveiled during this football season?



Riiiight. Cause that's happening.

I've asked around before, and Peden expansion isn't even on the radar. I'd bet a handsome sum of money to the OBC that Peden won't expand for at least the next 15 years. And you could probably extend that to 25 and be safe. There's so many other things higher on the priority list (and those take YEARS to fundraise for). The IPF was first brought up in the era of Jim Grobe and Tom Boeh. That's how long we've been waiting for that....

 

I'd be curious to hear what you think is higher on the priority list. I believe Peden is Top 5, if not Top 3. The IPF was the one major project ahead of it. That is taken care of.
 

I give it 10 years, max.



I have a feeling that the people with the big money know a renovation of Peden is well down the road.  The AD would share that with them to get them on board with the current renovations of the locker room.  It is a rumor here, but the people that need to know what is going on know and I am sure they are not waiting for a Peden renovation.  That doesn't mean that a peden renovation doesn't happen if they can find someone interested in funding it at a high level.

I think there is a top 2 that are well in front of any other projects.

1. an academic building (Facilities are make shift Peden now and are converted wevery footbal weekend into suites for AD, visiting AD and President.  They need better space!  Not just from a what is important standpoint, but for recruiting.  Almost all other MAC and above programs have a better space dedicated to academics.)
2. practice facility for basketball and volleyball (court time and scheduling is a huge struggle. Especially with all the high school basketball tournament and other things that they could use the convo for for revenue generation.)

A renovation of Peden will not take place until the academic building is up.  It doesn't make sense to renovate it in two stages.  Wait until you can move people out of Peden and then draw up plans based on how you can use it moving forward.  I will not say it is 10 or 15 years down the road because if we keep winning and growing as a program, the timetable will change.

 

What good organization doesn't forecast growth into its plans?

As for the two major priorities you listed, I would at best put those as highly debatable to being more important than a Peden Renovation. I do agree completely that those are both likely on the wish list as well... I simply don't believe those are for sure builds before Peden...
 


 

That said, my comment about the donors holding off was sarcastic... But I fully believe a Pedrn Renovation is not as far as some are making it to be
 

We aren't going to wait until we are selling out every week......
 

 

Last Edited: 6/4/2013 4:12:31 PM by The Optimist
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Posted: 6/4/2013 6:18 PM
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I think the answer is simple: Money vs return.  We have not proven that we need an expansion.  We need to sell out on a consistent basis and at ticket prices that are higher than our current rates.  We are practically giving away tickets with some of the pricing.  Once we sell out with respectable pricing, then we can talk about stadium expansion.


This idea that we need to be selling at high prices is a misnomer. We are in Southern Ohio and the university is NEVER going to price out families in the name of extra money. Those family pack tickets sound like give aways because its 4.50 per game but the real cost is 120 per family pack. That is far from giving the tickets away. Secondly at what point are we charging a high price? Its 85 dollars for a sideline ticket to a Cincinnati Bengals game with cheap seats for 40 dollars. That is for the NFL. The Cincinnati Bearcats of the Big East have season tickets that start at 125 for 7 game schedule (18 dollars per game). Premium seats for UC are 320 which are comparable to Tower Club prices. What is a regular ticket price this season in Peden for a Saturday game $35? There is no way we can charge $70 for a game ticket to sit in a stadium that has high school level amenities. Marshall fans are being charged $37 to sit in Peden which is greater than a sideline seat in the Joan. Virginia Tech is charging $52 dollars. How much higher realistically can Ohio go here in price? I would bet $45 before it becomes ridiculous. 

http://www.bengals.com/tickets/stadium-map-and-ticket-pricing.html

http://www.gobearcats.com/genrel/070212aaa.html

http://www.herdzone.com/tickets/mars-tickets-m-footbl.html

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Posted: 6/4/2013 7:35 PM
There was a time when Ohio was very much under priced. I can remember going down to a game at Virginia Tech in 2002 paying $45 when homecoming at Peden Stadium was only $12. The pricing problem is largely fixed and there is strong demand for Family Packs. The problem is today is there isn't enough demand for a regular season ticket due to the small population base. That is why I think if you sold those benchbacks on the student side as Solich Club for a premium price it would be a viable way to make additional money within the existing season ticket demand. As far as the stadium size its more a function of how many people have historically been in attendance at a bobcat game. The stadium seats 26,000 SRO and we've hit that number one time for New Mexico State. You've got to keep in mind though that 50% of Ohio's alumni base has graduated since 1992. The possibility exists to get 30k in Peden for a big game with a strong traveling contingent today and maybe 40k down the road. There comes a point where the only way you are going to make money is by adding more seats and improving the amenities. The Peden Stadium experience as it is can't compete with Bengals and OSU pricing.
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Posted: 6/5/2013 8:13 PM
Valid argument Uncle Wes.  I agree that we need to keep the family friendly pricing.  I think the family packs have been great.  Where I think the problem lies is that the new section would essentially be more family pack sections, thus we would not be making a significant amount more of money.

I think our single game pricing is great because it is fairly comparable with larger schools and thus SHOULD drive people to our season ticket packages.  The problem is that while they are growing, our season ticket numbers are not where they need to be.  In the end I guess that doesn't make a valid argument for raising ticket prices, but until we have guarented money with season tickets, I don't think we can afford to expand. 
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