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Posted: 9/15/2013 6:38 PM
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Would really be interested in why the students stay the game for some games and not others.  I still remember watching that awesome Temple game where everyone stayed all game.


The drinking/party scene has a lot to do with it. Temple was on a Tuesday...most students aren't hitting the bars hard. Saturday night at 10:00? That's pretty much THE time to go uptown.

Unfortunate, but true...


People still left the Temple game early. I wasn't even there and I know. The second half crowd shots on ESPN were a lot closer, and I distinctly remember a condescending letter to the students in "The Post" a dew days later.
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Posted: 9/15/2013 6:38 PM
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I want to complain about the 4th largest crowd in school history, am I in the right place? cool.


Winner!

Where's all the herd fans saying they had 8,000 fans in Athens?!  They didn't have as many MU people show up as 2011.  There was a herdite wearing hunter green a few seats down from me, I think i'll count them as an OU fan. 
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Posted: 9/15/2013 6:58 PM
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As an alum from the mid nineties I understood then why student participation for football was lousy! Now I just don't understand it, good football atmosphere on a Saturday night and rushing to the pub or another bar after halftime has more importance!! I drove down from Columbus with the family and it really hit me that WE have not turned the corner..
I should put it out there that I was the moron who sat through The Utah St. Game in 94!


Makes two of us who sat through that monsoon.


Make that three.  At least the rain was warm.
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Posted: 9/15/2013 7:03 PM
I don't typically like to be THAT GUY, and I also don't like spending a lot of time second guessing the Cutler administration on matters of policy, but I really think it is time to sell beer, everywhere in Peden, and to anyone of age.  We lose both students and GA customers to their tailgates/house parties/Uptown, and it is because some of them want to BOTH watch the game AND catch a beer.  No shame on them as they paid for their doucat, so why not provide the atmosphere in Peden so they can have both?!

The data shows that consumption is down in OHIO's student population of both alcohol and drugs, and arrests are down for alcohol and drug related issues.  Selling beer at seven events a year is not going to reverse that positive trend.

I've been in enough collegiate stadiums at this point that sell beer to the general population and students that to my untrained eye are not having significant intoxicated/rowdy/unruly fan issues.  At this point I believe it will create needed revenues and will provide an atmosphere that will both attract new fans and entice current consumers of the football product to remain later into the event.  Sell students a $4.00, 16oz. PBR, and you'll both retain them later in the evening and turn a nice profit.  Hell, Peden might even turn into a really cool place to be for more students than we currently attract.

I say convert the Touchdown Club into a Jackie O's beer garden, create a sports bar area behind Victory Hill complete with leather couches and big screens with multiple games to view while there are breaks in action on the field, and let the beer flow. (and the profits, for that matter)  If you went to Louisville, you can see that money makes a difference in the success of a program, and money isn't going to be less important anytime soon.

If I were a business person in Cbus/Parkersburg/Lancaster/Zanesville/Chillicothe and could use the event to entertain customers, and could do so with our the short ticket cost AND with access to beer/hospitality through the event, I'd be all over it. 

Commence the stoning...NOW! 
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Posted: 9/15/2013 7:36 PM
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Maybe the long TV timeouts contribute to the lull that comes over the crowd during the games that are televised.


Bingo!  There was an announced "media time out" in the fourth quarter that was met with a collective and loud groan from the home side stands.  After the groan people were cracking up because the groan captured the essence of what so many people were feeling.  These tv games just grind on and on.  3.5 hours is way too long for one game.  Too much stoppage time so to speak.



Long TV timeouts as an excuse why fans aren't into the game is a lame excuse. It doesn't seem to be an issue for most other college FB fans.
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Posted: 9/15/2013 9:31 PM
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I don't typically like to be THAT GUY, and I also don't like spending a lot of time second guessing the Cutler administration on matters of policy, but I really think it is time to sell beer, everywhere in Peden, and to anyone of age. We lose both students and GA customers to their tailgates/house parties/Uptown, and it is because some of them want to BOTH watch the game AND catch a beer. No shame on them as they paid for their doucat, so why not provide the atmosphere in Peden so they can have both?!

The data shows that consumption is down in OHIO's student population of both alcohol and drugs, and arrests are down for alcohol and drug related issues. Selling beer at seven events a year is not going to reverse that positive trend.

I've been in enough collegiate stadiums at this point that sell beer to the general population and students that to my untrained eye are not having significant intoxicated/rowdy/unruly fan issues. At this point I believe it will create needed revenues and will provide an atmosphere that will both attract new fans and entice current consumers of the football product to remain later into the event. Sell students a $4.00, 16oz. PBR, and you'll both retain them later in the evening and turn a nice profit. Hell, Peden might even turn into a really cool place to be for more students than we currently attract.

I say convert the Touchdown Club into a Jackie O's beer garden, create a sports bar area behind Victory Hill complete with leather couches and big screens with multiple games to view while there are breaks in action on the field, and let the beer flow. (and the profits, for that matter) If you went to Louisville, you can see that money makes a difference in the success of a program, and money isn't going to be less important anytime soon.

If I were a business person in Cbus/Parkersburg/Lancaster/Zanesville/Chillicothe and could use the event to entertain customers, and could do so with our the short ticket cost AND with access to beer/hospitality through the event, I'd be all over it.

Commence the stoning...NOW!
I agree 100%. I had a huge crowd pregame, starting at noon. We had every kind of drink, tons of food, music and all the games during the afternoon on a satellite dish and tv under our tents. It was a fantastic day and nobody was out of control. With so many entertainment options for the casual fan, I think the administration should do everything they can to make people want to come to the game and stay and spend money.
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Posted: 9/15/2013 9:47 PM
I thought the size of the crowd was very impressive...as for noise, I'd give this crowd a B-.  I actually thought the North Texas crowd was louder.  I believe that the long media timesout did depress the enthusiasm and noise level, whether we think it's a good excuse or not.  

The mass exodus of students after half time was disheartening to say the least.  I think it may have been one of the biggest exoduses I've observed there for a long time.  It was a throw back to the days when our football program wasn't very good.

Some are saying the Marshall crowd was smaller than in previous years, but I disagree.  Looked about the same as 2011 to me.  
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Posted: 9/15/2013 10:14 PM
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I don't typically like to be THAT GUY, and I also don't like spending a lot of time second guessing the Cutler administration on matters of policy, but I really think it is time to sell beer, everywhere in Peden, and to anyone of age.  We lose both students and GA customers to their tailgates/house parties/Uptown, and it is because some of them want to BOTH watch the game AND catch a beer.  No shame on them as they paid for their doucat, so why not provide the atmosphere in Peden so they can have both?!

The data shows that consumption is down in OHIO's student population of both alcohol and drugs, and arrests are down for alcohol and drug related issues.  Selling beer at seven events a year is not going to reverse that positive trend.

I've been in enough collegiate stadiums at this point that sell beer to the general population and students that to my untrained eye are not having significant intoxicated/rowdy/unruly fan issues.  At this point I believe it will create needed revenues and will provide an atmosphere that will both attract new fans and entice current consumers of the football product to remain later into the event.  Sell students a $4.00, 16oz. PBR, and you'll both retain them later in the evening and turn a nice profit.  Hell, Peden might even turn into a really cool place to be for more students than we currently attract.

I say convert the Touchdown Club into a Jackie O's beer garden, create a sports bar area behind Victory Hill complete with leather couches and big screens with multiple games to view while there are breaks in action on the field, and let the beer flow. (and the profits, for that matter)  If you went to Louisville, you can see that money makes a difference in the success of a program, and money isn't going to be less important anytime soon.

If I were a business person in Cbus/Parkersburg/Lancaster/Zanesville/Chillicothe and could use the event to entertain customers, and could do so with our the short ticket cost AND with access to beer/hospitality through the event, I'd be all over it. 

Commence the stoning...NOW! 


I agree 1000%. If you sell beer, people arent going to leave to go to the bars
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Posted: 9/15/2013 11:05 PM
Turn the north end zone into the Greenery. put out a dance floor, a disco ball, and bust out the 80s jams. set up bouncers to keep a solid bro/ho ratio, at least 4-1 girls to guys. call it- The Greenery.
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Posted: 9/15/2013 11:23 PM
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Turn the north end zone into the Greenery. put out a dance floor, a disco ball, and bust out the 80s jams. set up bouncers to keep a solid bro/ho ratio, at least 4-1 girls to guys. call it- The Greenery.
and forget selling beer... BrainStompers all the way!!
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Posted: 9/16/2013 6:41 AM
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I don't typically like to be THAT GUY, and I also don't like spending a lot of time second guessing the Cutler administration on matters of policy, but I really think it is time to sell beer, everywhere in Peden, and to anyone of age.  We lose both students and GA customers to their tailgates/house parties/Uptown, and it is because some of them want to BOTH watch the game AND catch a beer.  No shame on them as they paid for their doucat, so why not provide the atmosphere in Peden so they can have both?!

The data shows that consumption is down in OHIO's student population of both alcohol and drugs, and arrests are down for alcohol and drug related issues.  Selling beer at seven events a year is not going to reverse that positive trend.


If the objective of selling beer at stadium prices ($6-$7 a beer) is to get the students to turn out when beer is $2.50 uptown I'm not sure how that is going to work. Liquor enforcement costs would equal or more the profits from the beer sales in the stadium. Anyone that needs to be on beer before an Ohio football game can go uptown and have a few before walking to the game. At halftime walk up the Richland bridge and have one at BW3's. By not having alcohol at the stadium students can take a break from day drinking before hitting parties later. Ohio's student attendance by MAC and national measures is already quite good. I brought a friend to her first Ohio football game on Saturday and the feedback I had was she thought the atmosphere in town and around the stadium was great but the problem was too much open space in the stadium and the seating should be built up higher to convey a big time image. How about starting with a bigger scoreboard that people can actually read with updates of the Top 25 scores running all the time? I love the MAC score updates but when you go uptown students have Top 25 games on TV not MAC games. Victory Hill has outlived its concept of a place to let your toddler run around when board to become $20 lawn seats for people arriving late. If the school could put some very nice stands where Victory Hill sits with chairback seats in the lower level and general admission seating ad the upper level the stadium would look more finished. A lot of students don't want to move over to the lawn but would sit in the endzone if they could get actual seats. Older alumni would turn out for games if they could get a chairback ticket. One really nice section like Virginia Tech added to its endzone would totally change the atmosphere without pushing capacity larger than what the school can handle. Knowing the administration I'm sure a major Peden renovation is not forthcoming and until it happens its going to limit growth. 
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Posted: 9/16/2013 9:46 AM
The students leaving at halftime apalled me on Saturday just as it has apalled me basically every other game.  They just plain truly don't care AT ALL about the outcome of the game if they're gonna leave that game at halftime.  If it wasn't for the free ticket, they wouldn't even come at all. 
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:07 AM
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I don't typically like to be THAT GUY, and I also don't like spending a lot of time second guessing the Cutler administration on matters of policy, but I really think it is time to sell beer, everywhere in Peden, and to anyone of age.  We lose both students and GA customers to their tailgates/house parties/Uptown, and it is because some of them want to BOTH watch the game AND catch a beer.  No shame on them as they paid for their doucat, so why not provide the atmosphere in Peden so they can have both?!

The data shows that consumption is down in OHIO's student population of both alcohol and drugs, and arrests are down for alcohol and drug related issues.  Selling beer at seven events a year is not going to reverse that positive trend.


If the objective of selling beer at stadium prices ($6-$7 a beer) is to get the students to turn out when beer is $2.50 uptown I'm not sure how that is going to work. Liquor enforcement costs would equal or more the profits from the beer sales in the stadium. Anyone that needs to be on beer before an Ohio football game can go uptown and have a few before walking to the game. At halftime walk up the Richland bridge and have one at BW3's. By not having alcohol at the stadium students can take a break from day drinking before hitting parties later. Ohio's student attendance by MAC and national measures is already quite good. I brought a friend to her first Ohio football game on Saturday and the feedback I had was she thought the atmosphere in town and around the stadium was great but the problem was too much open space in the stadium and the seating should be built up higher to convey a big time image. How about starting with a bigger scoreboard that people can actually read with updates of the Top 25 scores running all the time? I love the MAC score updates but when you go uptown students have Top 25 games on TV not MAC games. Victory Hill has outlived its concept of a place to let your toddler run around when board to become $20 lawn seats for people arriving late. If the school could put some very nice stands where Victory Hill sits with chairback seats in the lower level and general admission seating ad the upper level the stadium would look more finished. A lot of students don't want to move over to the lawn but would sit in the endzone if they could get actual seats. Older alumni would turn out for games if they could get a chairback ticket. One really nice section like Virginia Tech added to its endzone would totally change the atmosphere without pushing capacity larger than what the school can handle. Knowing the administration I'm sure a major Peden renovation is not forthcoming and until it happens its going to limit growth. 


The numbers others are reporting in revenue do not support this.

http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2012/05/13/Trend-brewing-...
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:42 AM
We fill the student section and the whole stadium, and most of the people in this thread judge and scold. Those of you who are apoplectic about students leaving are projecting your own values and priorities onto others. Sure, I wish students approached the game with as much ardor as we do, but it's not realistic. We're extreme fans -- sitting on a message board for the team chatting about minutiae. With very few exceptions, they're not. We base our weekends on trips to Peden. Their weekends involve sampling from the buffet of entertainment options available to young people in a college town. They paid their very high student fee to do what they want. I was happy to see them loud and proud and wearing green in the stands and in the streets. Some of you won't be happy until everyone is on their feet, frothing at the mouth and living and dying with every down.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:52 AM
I see your point, but I think this particular game was puzzling. On TV at least, it appeared the student side had significantly vanished by the third quarter--something we've seen less off over the past few years. And the game was tight, so it made even less sense.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:23 AM
It has become amazing to me over the years. We finally have "a program" and I just don't get it. I'm sure it's my age and the fact students have other interests these days. 

My buddy and I we jawing with some students or young alumni over in Section 104 (may be the Optimist and his friends). We were hooting it up trying to do our best to get people into the game. I was literally threatened by some goat who didn't like me getting fired up over the Bobcats success. All I did was point forward for first downs. 

I do think most people in our section are warming up to the guys trying to get people into the game. I have no issue with it at all. There is another older gentleman in our section who showed up with OSU Gear on. I really don't think it clicked with him that it isn't acceptable to most anymore. I just called him Woody Hayes and we had some laughs and moved on. He actually does get up and root for the Cats so it's cool I suppose. 

I'm no longer at a point in life that I try to convert the world to follow OHIO. I have a big appreciation for those who try and the younger generation of Bobcats has much more of a reason than many of us "older" alums to carry the flag. I will say I have no intention to curb my enthusiasm for future games. If people around me don't like it, move to the hill. 


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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:32 AM
Beer sales - yes.  Make it Jackie O's.  Help out the local economy and make some cash.

I'll chalk the exodus up to the late start.  If I'm a 21 year old student again, I'm heading uptown at 10:30 as well...
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Posted: 9/16/2013 12:37 PM
At this point, we have an opportunity for improvement which I don't choose to see as a problem:
  • The on the field product has improved, and now we have butts in seats in record numbers.
  • However, it is clear that we are not meeting the entertainment needs of many of the paying customers, some who are buying the tickets and some who are paying student fees.  Their entertainment meets are being somewhat, but not entirely met for a 3h 30min window.
  • Hence, take the opportunity to meet the needs of those customers to retain them throughout the entire experience.
  • You can certainly strive to do that through improving the physical plant via improved concessions/AV/other collateral pertaining to the game.
  • However, if it were me, which it isn't, I would strive to make upgrades that increase revenues (concessions) BEFORE I would make investments in things such as AV, so that perhaps I could pay for the non-revenue generating amenities.
But that is just me.  I'm not talking InBev signage all over the stadium and selling our soul to adult beverages.  Just give customers what they are clearly leaving the game for, and make some money along the way.  We don't have luxury suites in which to isolate adult beverage consumption, but what is there to be ashamed of?  Why not create some areas that are specifically catering to people that are looking for additional entertainment through the entire game.

I'm all for improving the A/V part of the experience as well, as clearly our systems are outdated.  I know Pepsi ponied up all the cash for the current scoreboard, but a modern, large HD screen is going to cost well over $1MM, and I don't know who is out there that is going to make that kind of donation at this point, especially with the MPF just having been funded, and with the struggles the Department has had to fund the football locker room and ICA student learning center.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 12:54 PM
This is a discussion every fanbase in the country has: 

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=2019&t=11958042
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Posted: 9/16/2013 3:08 PM
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We fill the student section and the whole stadium, and most of the people in this thread judge and scold. Those of you who are apoplectic about students leaving are projecting your own values and priorities onto others. Sure, I wish students approached the game with as much ardor as we do, but it's not realistic. We're extreme fans -- sitting on a message board for the team chatting about minutiae. With very few exceptions, they're not. We base our weekends on trips to Peden. Their weekends involve sampling from the buffet of entertainment options available to young people in a college town. They paid their very high student fee to do what they want. I was happy to see them loud and proud and wearing green in the stands and in the streets. Some of you won't be happy until everyone is on their feet, frothing at the mouth and living and dying with every down.


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Posted: 9/16/2013 6:14 PM
I had a family commitment so I had to miss this one, which killed me. I watched a very small amount of the game on a cellphone.. Didn't see enough to offer any thoughts on atmosphere.

I am disappointed students bailed early. This was such a close game at the half and against a huge rival. No excuse.. Gotta stay for the full game... Pretty clear some students still just do not care.

We've made big progress though. The students who have been staying have been loud. Getting more students to stay and ending the "golf clap" from the rest of the stadium is going to be a slow and painful change but progress is definitely being made.

Best of all? We are 2-1. After the first 2 games, I really wasn't feeling great about our chances here. Being 2-1 is HUGE. We have sold out 100% of our games this season. We now head into parents weekend, in a game we are expected to win. We could be 3-1 and 3 for 3 with sellouts at home. Then we head to a (scary) Akron game away that we should be expected to win. Beating Marshall means we are favored to be 4-1 heading into Homecoming where we are almost guaranteed to have another sellout.
Have we ever opened the season with 4 home sellouts?
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Posted: 9/16/2013 6:16 PM
Louisville has a stadium with 55,000 seats but only reserves 3,000 for their students, and that section is behind the goal post. We could adopt the same strategy, adjusted for size, our student section would be about 1,300 seats and that would fit nicely on Victory Hill.

This would then leave entire east side bleachers empty so now all of the "real" fans that are sick of all of "not real" fans on the tower side can move over to the east side and stand and cheer all by themselves with nobody to tell them to sit down. And with the students relegated to Victory Hill nobody will even notice when they leave after half time. Problems solved, solved and solved.

OR, we could acknolwdge that we're counting on our student section to fill up half of our stadium because we don't have the alumni/local resident support to do it without them.

I'll say it again, the problem is not with the people INSIDE the stadium.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 7:58 PM
People that want noise on third down are not savages. People aren't frothing at the mouth for OHIO athletics. I've yet to see someone try and shame a silent fan into leaving a Bobcat sporting event. And nothing irks me quite like the guardian angels of the indifferent. So lets clear that up.

I'd give the atmosphere two out of five stars:

• It had one (1) appreciable asset (the sheer size of the crowd)
• It wasn't one I'd take out in public

It's not about blaming the fans (students); I know as sure as the next sunrise they've got it in them. Last year I went to the Clemson-South Carolina game. I sat amongst little grandmas in the upper deck making noise every defensive third down. We're creatures of habit. It might be true you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but any fan that makes noise on that tower side is actively influencing the new habits of OUr fan base.

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Diamond Cat,

I think I hit you guys with the 1804 tat during the game. Rock on.
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Posted: 9/16/2013 10:04 PM
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The students leaving at halftime apalled me on Saturday just as it has apalled me basically every other game.  They just plain truly don't care AT ALL about the outcome of the game if they're gonna leave that game at halftime.  If it wasn't for the free ticket, they wouldn't even come at all. 


I wouldn't be so negative on this young batch of Bobcats.

Keep in mind, none of them were around when we truly felt the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.

From their perspective, if they're a senior, we've been to a bowl game every year since they came here.

They simply EXPECT us to win the game.

For me, I still celebrate the day that we hired Coach Solich.  I'm thankful that we've had an administration that supports keeping the staff together.

I think Jim Schaus is an excellent AD.  I hope we can keep him longer, too.

These are our salad days, my friends.  Let's enjoy them!  

GO BOBCATS!
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Posted: 9/16/2013 11:58 PM
To those of you who think some of us are silly for complaining, know at least that I agree with JSF when he has often said it is not the students' responsibility to make sports part of their college experience. I'm totally on board with that. It's just that many that do are so quick to abandon the fun they were having in the first half. You put on a Bobcats shirt, you asked your friends if they were going to the FOOTBALL game (not band concert) you walked to Peden Stadium, you stood in line, you booed Marshall when they ran on the field, you banged your thunderstix, you laughed your ass off when that kick returner handed us a touchdown. Then the 110 finishes and you don't feel any of that anymore? Excuse me if that comes across as lazy and disingenuous.
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