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Posted: 9/26/2013 12:54 PM
I stumbled onto this article, which theorizes about a world in which every college football team must have a unique nickname (SPOILER ALERT: we get to stay the Bobcats, Texas State has to become the Supercats).

If we couldn't be the Bobcats, what would you want to be?

I nominate the Hunters, because hunter is the superior shade of green.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 1:23 PM
In 1972 the Northwestern student body was polled on a new nickname, and it passed. The "Official" nickname, "Purple Haze", was never adopted by the press, however, who continued to call them the Wildcats (except when calling them the Mildcats). Given that the students have never voted to change the official name to anything other than "Purple Haze", if they get renamed, wouldn't that be the logical choice?
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Posted: 9/26/2013 1:54 PM
"Outlined against a blue-gray October,... 'scuse me while I kiss the sky"

Won't this bye week ever end? 

Too much idle time on everyone's hands.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 3:00 PM
As a student from the late sixties (who turned down his share of offered brownies while lounging on the college green) I'd go for the Highlanders.  I'm also of Scottish ancestry.....loved the old Scottish Claymore helmets....we've got a DT named McCleod (there can be only one)...and I would love seeing Rowdy Roddy Piper signing autographs uptown (as long as the Bay City Rollers don't join him).  OUr geographical setting also makes it a natural...and I have a black watch kilt with some green in it.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 3:20 PM
The Frontiersman. I like nicknames that hint at history.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 3:23 PM
I don't know what the nickname would work out to be, but something playing upon the success of Local Boy William Sherman.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 3:29 PM
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I don't know what the nickname would work out to be, but something playing upon the success of Local Boy William Sherman.


  On that note, would the "Big Willies" be inappropriate??
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Posted: 9/26/2013 3:51 PM
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Posted: 9/26/2013 3:53 PM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
As a student from the late sixties (who turned down his share of offered brownies while lounging on the college green) I'd go for the Highlanders.  I'm also of Scottish ancestry.....loved the old Scottish Claymore helmets....we've got a DT named McCleod (there can be only one)...and I would love seeing Rowdy Roddy Piper signing autographs uptown (as long as the Bay City Rollers don't join him).  OUr geographical setting also makes it a natural...and I have a black watch kilt with some green in it.


Doc Bobcat sings the fight song to bagpipes:

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Posted: 9/26/2013 4:13 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
I don't know what the nickname would work out to be, but something playing upon the success of Local Boy William Sherman.


I think Chillicothe Unioto has The Shermans as in Sherman Tank as their nickname.  If you asked ancestors of people from Atlanta to Savannah nicknames related to Sherman could range from The Liberator to The Devil.

By the way nice job Stunter....love that movie (I Married an Axe Murderer)....Michael Myers does a great Scot...."Piper down...we have a Piper down."
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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:33 PM
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I don't know what the nickname would work out to be, but something playing upon the success of Local Boy William Sherman.


Here's a few possibilities:

Tanks
Bluebellies  (blue and white were original school colors)
Generals
Jubileers (Hurrah, Hurrah, we bring the Jubilee . . . Hurrah, Hurrah, the flag that makes you free . . .)
MUSKETeers (not very PC)
Federals
Thundering Host   (very alliterative for the annual Host vs. Herd contest)
Fighting Cumps
Union Volunteers






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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:09 AM
Fightin' Cutlers

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Posted: 9/27/2013 10:46 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I don't know what the nickname would work out to be, but something playing upon the success of Local Boy William Sherman.


Here's a few possibilities:

Tanks
Bluebellies  (blue and white were original school colors)
Generals
Jubileers (Hurrah, Hurrah, we bring the Jubilee . . . Hurrah, Hurrah, the flag that makes you free . . .)
MUSKETeers (not very PC)
Federals
Thundering Host   (very alliterative for the annual Host vs. Herd contest)
Fighting Cumps
Union Volunteers








I like Ohio Union Generals, and we could be called the Generals for short if need be.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 10:49 AM
DelBobcat wrote:expand_more
I don't know what the nickname would work out to be, but something playing upon the success of Local Boy William Sherman.


Here's a few possibilities:

Tanks
Bluebellies  (blue and white were original school colors)
Generals
Jubileers (Hurrah, Hurrah, we bring the Jubilee . . . Hurrah, Hurrah, the flag that makes you free . . .)
MUSKETeers (not very PC)
Federals
Thundering Host   (very alliterative for the annual Host vs. Herd contest)
Fighting Cumps
Union Volunteers








I like Ohio Union Generals, and we could be called the Generals for short if need be.


...or how about Ohio Mound Builders.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:15 PM
Since this thread started out as a distraction and then wandered from there and now includes references to General Sherman, I thought I'd take the opportunity to share with the BA multitudes a graphic that will soon be on my Civil War web site.  This is the results of the 1863 Ohio gubernatorial election, which was a contest between Ohio alumnus John Brough (rhymes with "rough") and Clement Vallandigham.   Brough was a War Democrat, who also had the Republican nomination, and ran on a fusion Union ticket.  Vallandigham was a Peace Democrat (aka Copperhead).   The county-level results in this map are interesting on many levels.  And, from a modern perspective, it challenges many stereotypes about various regions of the Buckeye State.

RED = Brough (Union Ticket)
BROWN = Vallandigham (Peace Democrat, aka Copperhead)

1863 Ohio Governor's Race



This is relevant to football, since Brough, according to legend, once kicked a rugby ball over Cutler Hall from the McGuffey Hall level in his college days.  He was considered an excellent athlete despite the fact that in latter years he was known for his corpulence. 

Perhaps, OHIO teams should be known as the Brough Riders! 

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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:40 PM
Here's a few I came up with.  They all have something in common.  100 extra bonus points for anyone who can tell me what it is.

Blue Devils
Bruins
Cardinals
Generals
Greenies
Greyhounds
Indians
Miners
Panthers
Red Raiders

And one that has nothing at all in common with the others, I just like it, 50 extra bonus points if you can give me the current name of the team:

Superbas
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Posted: 9/28/2013 1:00 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Since this thread started out as a distraction and then wandered from there and now includes references to General Sherman, I thought I'd take the opportunity to share with the BA multitudes a graphic that will soon be on my Civil War web site.  This is the results of the 1863 Ohio gubernatorial election, which was a contest between Ohio alumnus John Brough (rhymes with "rough") and Clement Vallandigham.   Brough was a War Democrat, who also had the Republican nomination, and ran on a fusion Union ticket.  Vallandigham was a Peace Democrat (aka Copperhead).   The county-level results in this map are interesting on many levels.  And, from a modern perspective, it challenges many stereotypes about various regions of the Buckeye State.

RED = Brough (Union Ticket)
BROWN = Vallandigham (Peace Democrat, aka Copperhead)

1863 Ohio Governor's Race



This is relevant to football, since Brough, according to legend, once kicked a rugby ball over Cutler Hall from the McGuffey Hall level in his college days.  He was considered an excellent athlete despite the fact that in latter years he was known for his corpulence. 

Perhaps, OHIO teams should be known as the Brough Riders! 



Very interesting post - good historical stuff. I would clarify that "Peace Democrats" is interchangeable with "Confederate Sympathizers".

I would also add that although Sherman's brutal approach in his drive across Georgia helped solidify and quicken the Union defeat of the rebellion, earned him the reputation of a "Hero", his post war dealings with Native Americans/The Indian Nations was equally as brutal, and in no way "heroic". He pushed for Army control over Government dealings with "Indian Affairs", and his policy/directive initiatives were often carried through by his Civil War underling, another Ohio Civil War "hero native", Phil Sheridan". Both Sherman and Sheridan have a historical record of inexcusable brutality, not to mention multiple incredible absolute blunders and failures - both from a policy and miltary perpective in this period of our history (one chapter of which of course includes another with Ohio roots, the infamously egotistical buffoon - George Armstrong Custer). The contemporary historians view is virtually unanimous that this chapter in our nations history, with so many Ohioan rooted leaders at the helms, was indeed quite shameful, a disgracefully embarrassing stain on our national history and reputation. Grant, of course another great Civil War General (second greatest of the war?) with Ohio roots, and Sherman's superior, and then post war as President, had a more "enlightened/compassionate" view of the the Native Americans/Indian Nations. Grant though was distant from the events, and of course much more caught up in matters National/East/Post War, not Frontier/Out There. Sherman and Sheridan (especially Sheridan) were much more "hands on" with the dealings in all things Native American/Indian West/Frontier.

History of course is full of contradictions. "Hindsight is always 20/20", or at least clearer than when immersed in the course of the current culture of events. To have a University that is dedicated to higher learning, which includes learning lessons from the past, have a as a mascot an image reflecting as much of what is great in it's local heritage, and equally (at least) as much as what could be considered despicable? I'm just not comfortable with that.

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Posted: 9/28/2013 9:44 AM
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History of course is full of contradictions. "Hindsight is always 20/20", or at least clearer than when immersed in the course of the current culture of events. To have a University that is dedicated to higher learning, which includes learning lessons from the past, have a as a mascot an image reflecting as much of what is great in it's local heritage, and equally (at least) as much as what could be considered despicable? I'm just not comfortable with that.



It's unfair to weigh historic events against today's standards of acceptability, and then impugn people from a 150-year distance.
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Posted: 9/28/2013 9:46 AM
Vallandingham was actually in Ontario during this Election as he was facing potential arrest in both the North and South.  He was arrested in Ohio for being part or the War Administration and speaking out against the war.  He was unwelcome in the South as a Northerner who still claimed to the a citizen of Ohio who had to leave Ohio by force.
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Good points, RS Bobcat.  I won't argue the actions of Sherman, Sheridan and Custer in the Indiana Wars, of which I have studied very little.  They were certainly heroes of in suppressing the rebellion.   One point of correction, while many of the leaders of the Cooperhead (Peace Democrat) movement, including Vallandigham, were Southern Sympathizers, a majority of those who voted that ticket probably were not.  They wanted  a negotiated settlement and an immediate end to the bloodshed and voting for the Peace Democrats was a means to that end.  What you could say is that they were less committed to a Union victory than those in the red counties.  To get a good sense of this I highly recommend the new movie, Copperhead: You can view the trailer here.  It's based on true story about a Peace Democrat family in upstate New York, and I think is good at showing the very real complexities of the times.

On my web site I will have it so that you can mouse over a county and see the exact breakdown of the votes.  One thing you find with this more in-depth analysis is that Vallandigham, while not carrying his home county of Montgomery, came very close.  Likewise, you'll find that the southern most county in Ohio, Lawrence, went to Brough by an overwhelming margin -- perhaps the greatest margin in the whole state (I haven't calculated that yet, but it looks like the greatest using the eyeball test).

Edit: You are absolutely right about U.S. Grant.  He was a very compassionate man and is increasingly being considered our first Civil Rights President, for his actions in supporting African American rights, including suffrage, and for suppressing the First era KKK, which didn't resurface until about 1915.  
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Posted: 9/28/2013 1:16 PM
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History of course is full of contradictions. "Hindsight is always 20/20", or at least clearer than when immersed in the course of the current culture of events. To have a University that is dedicated to higher learning, which includes learning lessons from the past, have a as a mascot an image reflecting as much of what is great in it's local heritage, and equally (at least) as much as what could be considered despicable? I'm just not comfortable with that.



It's unfair to weigh historic events against today's standards of acceptability, and then impugn people from a 150-year distance.


Well - they were "impugned" in their time as well - by many "whites", and of course by Native Americans. Don't see how that is "unfair".
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Posted: 9/28/2013 1:26 PM
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Good points, RS Bobcat.  I won't argue the actions of Sherman, Sheridan and Custer in the Indiana Wars, of which I have studied very little.  They were certainly heroes of in suppressing the rebellion.   One point of correction, while many of the leaders of the Cooperhead (Peace Democrat) movement, including Vallandigham, were Southern Sympathizers, a majority of those who voted that ticket probably were not.  They wanted  a negotiated settlement and an immediate end to the bloodshed and voting for the Peace Democrats was a means to that end.  What you could say is that they were less committed to a Union victory than those in the red counties.  To get a good sense of this I highly recommend the new movie, Copperhead: You can view the trailer here.  It's based on true story about a Peace Democrat family in upstate New York, and I think is good at showing the very real complexities of the times.

On my web site I will have it so that you can mouse over a county and see the exact breakdown of the votes.  One thing you find with this more in-depth analysis is that Vallandigham, while not carrying his home county of Montgomery, came very close.  Likewise, you'll find that the southern most county in Ohio, Lawrence, went to Brough by an overwhelming margin -- perhaps the greatest margin in the whole state (I haven't calculated that yet, but it looks like the greatest using the eyeball test).

Edit: You are absolutely right about U.S. Grant.  He was a very compassionate man and is increasingly being considered our first Civil Rights President, for his actions in supporting African American rights, including suffrage, and for suppressing the First era KKK, which didn't resurface until about 1915.  


I have been wanting to see that movie - thanks for reminding me. I have heard that is very well done.
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Posted: 9/29/2013 9:50 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more

History of course is full of contradictions. "Hindsight is always 20/20", or at least clearer than when immersed in the course of the current culture of events. To have a University that is dedicated to higher learning, which includes learning lessons from the past, have a as a mascot an image reflecting as much of what is great in it's local heritage, and equally (at least) as much as what could be considered despicable? I'm just not comfortable with that.



It's unfair to weigh historic events against today's standards of acceptability, and then impugn people from a 150-year distance.


Well - they were "impugned" in their time as well - by many "whites", and of course by Native Americans. Don't see how that is "unfair".


Because it's a slippery slope. Without much effort, you could find reasons to dislike nearly any historic figure. It is necessary, in my opinion, to look at historic figures with context in mind.
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