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Posted: 5/1/2013 4:18 PM
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or, so says John Kass of the Chicago Tribune.
He speculates that a combination of parents refusing to allow their children to play with lawsuits will cause the sport to die at the youth level on up.
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And if the professional game survives at all, it will be relegated to the pile of trash sports, like mixed martial arts or whatever is done in third-rate arenas with monster trucks and mud. It won't be as American as apple pie. Instead, football will become the province of people with face tattoos.
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Could be, but it's hard to imagine. The writer mentions the loss of appetite that high schools may get as liabilities climb. One thing that leaves out is the affect of club teams--something that soccer thrives on. If public schools kill the sport, I would expect club teams to take over.

The writer invites you to ask parents if they'd let their kids play football. In my experience, the answer from fellow parents would still be an overwhelming yes.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 5:08 PM
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This is an example of the internet needing, and accepting, about any content.

Wind expanding to fill the void.

Football dead?  Probably not.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 6:24 PM
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I actually agree that the NFL's days are numbered and football as we knew it will eventually no longer exist.  It won't be today or tomorrow but it will happen.  As more research is done on the repercussions and damage done to the brain due to repeated concussions, potential liabilities, parents refusing to allow their children to play, etc., football will be a thing of the past and will be replaced by the world sport of football, I.e. soccer.

Need proof?  The NFL was seriously debating getting rid of the kickoff in the offseason.  And they are serious!  I thought that was absurd, but it will happen and happen soon.  The kickoff for sure will be taken from the NFL.  It's just a slippery slope from there.

I love football as we know it (or knew it as some hits have already been eradicated from the game), but its days are numbered.  It's just a matter of time.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 6:38 PM
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Man, I hope so.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 8:54 PM
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At first i find the notion that a sport as popular as football could just die ridiculous... Then i look at how popular boxing was awhile back.
 

I think football has some MAJOR health issues it needs to address if it wants to stick around. That said, I am a big believer that our society has advanced to the point it can make unthinkable technological advances at will. I think the helmet companies will put up a noteworthy fight.
 

THAT said, I think soccer is going to grow VERY rapidly in popularity the next decade.
 

 

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Posted: 5/1/2013 9:10 PM
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more

 

THAT said, I think soccer is going to grow VERY rapidly in popularity the next decade.
 



I've been hearing this since I was five.

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Posted: 5/1/2013 9:43 PM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more

 THAT said, I think soccer is going to grow VERY rapidly in popularity the next decade.



I've been hearing this since I was five.

Since I was about 25 I've been hearing this,too.  IMHO, it's not going to happen in even the youngest BA poster's lifetime.  Futbol is just not that popular in the US of A as a spectator sport.  The professional MLS is not really anything more than a niche sport -- ahead of mud wrestling but not quite to the level of minor league baseball.  If football goes into a decline for two decades, it would still be one of our nation's top spectator sports.  I could envision a day when baseball would again be America's pasttime with football second, again, as it was for years.  But, a total collapse of football, I just don't see it, even if JSF wishes it were so.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 9:46 PM
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Maybe it will change, but futball has a basic flaw that makes it unlikely to gain major sports status in the U.S.:  Not enough monster scoring plays such as monsterslams or dingers or explosive td plays.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 10:02 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Maybe it will change, but futball has a basic flaw that makes it unlikely to gain major sports status in the U.S.:  Not enough monster scoring plays such as monsterslams or dingers or explosive td plays.


I actually believe rugby sevens is set to become the next major sport in America. Every time I see it on TV I question why it's not more popular here. It's really the perfect sport for America: fast paced, hard-hitting tackles and a good amount of scoring. Plus, it's the perfect sport for our ADD society: matches are comprised of two, seven-minute halves and a one-minute halftime. It's going to be in the 2016 Olympics, and from there I could see it taking off as a safer alternative to football, without sacrificing too much of the action.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 10:22 PM
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Football will die about the same time as when people stop smoking cigarettes.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 11:00 PM
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This I think says all that needs to be said about the significance of football in our country: 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1625865-texas-am-appro... type="_moz" />
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Posted: 5/2/2013 12:43 AM
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more

 

THAT said, I think soccer is going to grow VERY rapidly in popularity the next decade.
 

 



Yeah - I even watch a highlight every now and then instead of immediately clicking the channel up/down or switch on the remote occasionally these days (sometimes not even to another sports channel) 
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OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
This I think says all that needs to be said about the significance of football in our country: 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1625865-texas-am-appro...


Well of course - But:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2012...
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Posted: 5/2/2013 8:39 AM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more

 

THAT said, I think soccer is going to grow VERY rapidly in popularity the next decade.
 



I've been hearing this since I was five.


 

Yep, and it has seen monster growth in participation in the US since you were five.  And I am not just talking 5 year olds. My high school now has more kids playing boys soccer than football.
 

What we have not seen is that participation translating to a massive burst in popularity of the game at the professional level. That is what I see changing in the next decade.
 

A big change I see happening is the disappearance of this football vs futbol notion. I see more young Americans being big fans of both instead of seeing them as substitute products as many in the older generations do.
 

edit: and I should add, I think the MLS is a huge joke. It could see big growth by default, but the English league is just as likely to see big growth in the US... We are already seeing big tv deals for it......
 

 

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The writer invites you to ask parents if they'd let their kids play football. In my experience, the answer from fellow parents would still be an overwhelming yes.


Huh.  Quite the opposite for me.  Out of the dozen or so folks I know with young boys, not one is playing pee wee football.  Not one....
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Posted: 5/2/2013 8:49 AM
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Yep, and it has seen monster growth in participation in the US since you were five.  And I am not just talking 5 year olds. My high school now has more kids playing boys soccer than football........It could see big growth by default, but the English league is just as likely to see big growth in the US... We are already seeing big tv deals for it......


ESPN is showing Mexican national team games in prime time in the U.S. on ESPN or ESPN2.  Think about that.  Could be this is a fad.  But, I'm thinking maybe not.

If football dies, it will be a very, very slow death.  Unless someone wins millions from a school district for football injuries.  Then.....  who knows.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 9:07 AM
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There will be major changes in how and when football is played IMO, but it will survive. Changes need to be made to protect the players, and some efforts have been made, more will follow.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 9:25 AM
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Follow the corruption and the money. American boxing died because the money flow was corrupt. It's hard to take the NBA seriously due to the same corruption concerns, although the international game is becoming huge. Professional soccer has not taken hold in America because the big money is overseas, and FIFA may be more corrupt than boxing.

The NFL (Super Bowl XL conspiracy theories aside) appears relatively corruption-free, and is far and away the biggest money-making athletics league in America. It isn't going away, although it may change. College football and high school, though? Maybe. There's definitely more corruption concern, and the money isn't there like in the NFL. But so long as the only way to the NFL is through college, and the only way to college is through high school, they'll be there.

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Posted: 5/2/2013 9:28 AM
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Unless there is tort reform or a big set of balls by jurors football will have problems due to the litigation that is making it's way through the courts, Riddell recently lost a major suit at the local level in California over the risk of football, claimed that the helmet manufacture and coaches did not properly warn of the dangers. 

As for the NFL, they are going to have to take the gloves off with the players union and bring up the cold hard truth that many of these mental issues that we are seeing from the older players and even today's players is as much a result of the things they are putting into their bodies that the medical world knows has effects on the brains.  These performance enhancers have known effects on the brain and other health related risk.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 9:44 AM
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What's the corruption in the NBA?

Football will be bigger in Mexico than futball will be in the U.S.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 10:04 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
What's the corruption in the NBA?



Google Tim Donaghy.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 11:03 AM
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C Money wrote:expand_more
What's the corruption in the NBA?



Google Tim Donaghy.


Or watch any NBA game, where the home teams win with far more statistical frequency than any other league and star players are widely know to get the benefit of every single call.

Here are some stats from Scorecasting. Home teams consistently:
  • Shoot more free throws.
  • Get more foul calls
  • Secure more turnovers
  • Benefit from loose-ball fouls
  • Get almost four times more calls that result in a change of possession
  • Get 15% more traveling calls against the visitors
"Referee bias could well be the main reason for home court advantage in basketball. And if the refs call turnovers and fouls in the home team's favor, we can assume they make other biased calls in favor of the home team that we cannot see or measure." - Scorecasting
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This is going nowhere.  Yes, originally Texas did have the right to split into five separate states and had an "easy out clause."  However, when they sided with the Confederacy and took up arms against the Federal government they forfeited all such rights.  This is clearly spelled out in the conditions set for the readmission of Texas after the Late Rebellion. 

Interestingly, the one state that still might actually have a case for legal secession is Vermont.  It, like Texas, was admitted as a sovereign nation,and unlike Texas, has never participated in armed rebellion against the United States of America. 
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Posted: 5/2/2013 11:11 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Football will be bigger in Mexico than futball will be in the U.S.

 

Lets say popularity wise what you say is true.... Still wouldn't matter. 1 US consumer is worth as much as 10 Mexican consumers...  Whoever gets ahold of the US soccer market stands to make big $.
 

I look at my soccer friends and I. We all like football and futbol.. Growing up, we didn't watch much pro futbol because we didn't have a team to support up in Cleveland and there wasnt tv coverage for other squads. That is changing. We still don't care about the MLS, but it's on tv now and we watch.  Now even meaningless US National games are televised and we can also watch the EPL (British soccer) and the Mexican league every single week.

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