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Posted: 10/21/2013 8:53 PM
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The Miami Beach Bowl at Marlins Park.  Spearheaded by the AAC but the MAC is in the mix.
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Posted: 10/21/2013 10:20 PM
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My god, if they keep making Bowl games for the MAC Miami may have a shot at one soon
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Posted: 10/22/2013 9:01 AM
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It really seems like a trend toward every single eligible team getting a bowl and then making accommodations to fill open bowl slots with teams that didn't quite meet the regular requirements. There will be at least 76 bowl slots plus four teams in the playoff for a total of 80 teams in the postseason. There are 70 postseason slots right now.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 10:07 AM
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This whole thing is getting to be absolutely ridiculous.  A bowl used to be a reward for having a good season.  With the trend toward even more bowls, the only way you don't go to a bowl is if you have a disappointing season.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 10:28 AM
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Once you got more that about 20 bowls it reached the point where it worked as if your were a eligible mid-major and had a bowl near you you got to go if you were an eligible mid-major and had to travel across country to go to a bowl then you stayed home.  I don't think that if your program gets the extra practice time or not should have anything to do with such circumstance.  I'm all for every eligible team getting to go at this point.



 
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Posted: 10/22/2013 11:15 AM
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It's all about $$$$$...
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Posted: 10/22/2013 11:34 AM
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If it is really all about the $$$$$$, the schools aren't the ones prospering from it. Most schools take a loss or barely break even on bowl games.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:07 PM
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I can't imagine sponsors or TV networks are making that much money off these either, especially with the attendance and ratings being as low as they are.

Still waiting for the "Skyline Chili Bowl" to be played at UC's Nippert Stadium. Free swag for the players includes a $100 gift card for any Skyline location, a lifetime supply of oyster crackers and a case of Pepto Bismol.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 1:04 PM
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It may be about money but I think it is more likely about giving the little sisters of the poor some scraps.  The BCS guys will have all the big bowls and big bowl money.  The little sisters will get these kinds of scraps.  The little sisters are actually ensuring they will never get to a BCS Bowl by accepting all these nothing bowls.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 1:33 PM
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So why would the smaller schools even accept bowl bids if they are not even getting enough of a payout to make it worthwhile? What would happen if non-BCS teams boycotted bowls until there is more even revenue-sharing for bowl games (to at least make bowls like the New Orleans Bowl a non-loss)? The bowl system is a money-maker for someone, why aren't the schools getting their slice? (and this is not a "pay the players" argument -- I'm not even going there)
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Posted: 10/22/2013 1:56 PM
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So why would the smaller schools even accept bowl bids if they are not even getting enough of a payout to make it worthwhile? What would happen if non-BCS teams boycotted bowls until there is more even revenue-sharing for bowl games (to at least make bowls like the New Orleans Bowl a non-loss)? The bowl system is a money-maker for someone, why aren't the schools getting their slice? (and this is not a "pay the players" argument -- I'm not even going there)


The coaches love these bowls because it provides more practice time for the guys playing the next season. Not saying that's the entire reason, but I bet that's a lot of it.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 2:52 PM
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So why would the smaller schools even accept bowl bids if they are not even getting enough of a payout to make it worthwhile? What would happen if non-BCS teams boycotted bowls until there is more even revenue-sharing for bowl games (to at least make bowls like the New Orleans Bowl a non-loss)? The bowl system is a money-maker for someone, why aren't the schools getting their slice? (and this is not a "pay the players" argument -- I'm not even going there)


The coaches love these bowls because it provides more practice time for the guys playing the next season. Not saying that's the entire reason, but I bet that's a lot of it.

That, and it's a reward for the players. They get to go usually somewhere nice and they get nice packages of stuff.

 
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Posted: 10/22/2013 3:23 PM
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I can't imagine sponsors or TV networks are making that much money off these either, especially with the attendance and ratings being as low as they are.

Still waiting for the "Skyline Chili Bowl" to be played at UC's Nippert Stadium. Free swag for the players includes a $100 gift card for any Skyline location, a lifetime supply of oyster crackers and a case of Pepto Bismol.


Funny thing about that is that I had told a buddy something similar.  "Queen City Bowl" sponsored by Skyline Chilli.  Oddly, I would love to see that kind of a bowl rather than seeing us play in Boise Idaho.  Give us an AAC school or a school from the Sun Belt or something.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 3:40 PM
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I can't imagine sponsors or TV networks are making that much money off these either, especially with the attendance and ratings being as low as they are.

Still waiting for the "Skyline Chili Bowl" to be played at UC's Nippert Stadium. Free swag for the players includes a $100 gift card for any Skyline location, a lifetime supply of oyster crackers and a case of Pepto Bismol.


Funny thing about that is that I had told a buddy something similar.  "Queen City Bowl" sponsored by Skyline Chilli.  Oddly, I would love to see that kind of a bowl rather than seeing us play in Boise Idaho.  Give us an AAC school or a school from the Sun Belt or something.


Actually, this is not a bad idea. Just make it the "chili bowl," which is also a play on words for the temperature in Cincinnati in late December/January. You might then get support from Skyline and Gold Star. Include a giant tailgate with all the 3-ways and cheese coneys you can eat. Don't run from the chilly temps, embrace it! It makes for great marketing for the chili joints and for the city of Cincinnati.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 4:28 PM
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Interesting article on bowl finances (a little dated, but good reporting):
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-09-28/bcs-bowl-games-cost-some-schools/50582512/1

Highlights:

From 2006 to 2011, public universities that played in BCS games exceeded the bowl allowances provided by their conferences 23 of 46 times, records obtained and compiled by The Republic show. 

The losses ranged from tens of thousands of dollars to nearly $2 million per game.

For the 2010-11 postseason, the average team loss in a BCS bowl was $346,959, reflecting an average expense allowance of about $2.38 million and an average expense of $2.73 million. The average loss in a non-BCS bowl that postseason was $139,604.


 
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Posted: 10/22/2013 5:00 PM
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I can't imagine sponsors or TV networks are making that much money off these either, especially with the attendance and ratings being as low as they are.

Still waiting for the "Skyline Chili Bowl" to be played at UC's Nippert Stadium. Free swag for the players includes a $100 gift card for any Skyline location, a lifetime supply of oyster crackers and a case of Pepto Bismol.


Funny thing about that is that I had told a buddy something similar.  "Queen City Bowl" sponsored by Skyline Chilli.  Oddly, I would love to see that kind of a bowl rather than seeing us play in Boise Idaho.  Give us an AAC school or a school from the Sun Belt or something.


Actually, this is not a bad idea. Just make it the "chili bowl," which is also a play on words for the temperature in Cincinnati in late December/January. You might then get support from Skyline and Gold Star. Include a giant tailgate with all the 3-ways and cheese coneys you can eat. Don't run from the chilly temps, embrace it! It makes for great marketing for the chili joints and for the city of Cincinnati.


I think the MAC would be ALL for it, considering Cinci is relatively central and in weather that we're used to.  Bring those southern boys up here in December!
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Posted: 10/22/2013 6:45 PM
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I can't imagine sponsors or TV networks are making that much money off these either, especially with the attendance and ratings being as low as they are.

Still waiting for the "Skyline Chili Bowl" to be played at UC's Nippert Stadium. Free swag for the players includes a $100 gift card for any Skyline location, a lifetime supply of oyster crackers and a case of Pepto Bismol.


Funny thing about that is that I had told a buddy something similar.  "Queen City Bowl" sponsored by Skyline Chilli.  Oddly, I would love to see that kind of a bowl rather than seeing us play in Boise Idaho.  Give us an AAC school or a school from the Sun Belt or something.


Actually, this is not a bad idea. Just make it the "chili bowl," which is also a play on words for the temperature in Cincinnati in late December/January. You might then get support from Skyline and Gold Star. Include a giant tailgate with all the 3-ways and cheese coneys you can eat. Don't run from the chilly temps, embrace it! It makes for great marketing for the chili joints and for the city of Cincinnati.


Wendy's sponsors the "Chili Open" up here in Columbus.  It's a golf tournament in the dead of winter to raise money for charity.

I see the bowls put together by the Deltas as an effort to reward its teams that have winning seasons.  The Omegas are holding so many bowl slots that almost every 6-6 team in one of those conferences will go to a bowl.  The Delta teams will likely enough to get in 7-5 teams, but not 6-6 ones.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 6:46 PM
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This is basically just a way for teams with .500 plus records to play another game. Hopefully in a location with better weather than the upper Midwest. Anyway for selfish reasons, I'm for it although I'm not for Ohio losing a bunch of money on the game.
I agree that the lesser conferences are being left out of the established bowls, but it is what it is.
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The whole bowl finance picture will be a lot different next year under the playoff system.  Each non-AQ FBS conference with 12 or more schools will get $12 million to split among its members.  While a lot less than the AQ FBS conferences will get, it's a heck of a lot more than is in the pipeline now.  Also, there is the possibility to get into the new bowl that will pit a top ranking AQ school against the best of the Gang of 5 schools.  It's actually going to be a very interesting new landscape that will offer new opportunities for a school like Ohio.  

Edit: The incentive will be for non-AQ FBS conferences to not go over 12 schools, because then the pie has to be split into smaller pieces.  AQ FBS conferences, of course, will face no such limits.  
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:08 AM
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The whole bowl finance picture will be a lot different next year under the playoff system.  Each non-AQ FBS conference with 12 or more schools will get $12 million to split among its members.  While a lot less than the AQ FBS conferences will get, it's a heck of a lot more than is in the pipeline now.  Also, there is the possibility to get into the new bowl that will pit a top ranking AQ school against the best of the Gang of 5 schools.  It's actually going to be a very interesting new landscape that will offer new opportunities for a school like Ohio.  

Edit: The incentive will be for non-AQ FBS conferences to not go over 12 schools, because then the pie has to be split into smaller pieces.  AQ FBS conferences, of course, will face no such limits.  


That means only the Sun Belt won't get the guarantee at least next year.  AAC loses L'ville & Rutgers but gains ECU, Tulane & Tulsa from CUSA plus Navy to get to 12.  CUSA stays at 12 by replacing the three its losing with WKU from the Sun Belt plus ODU and Charlotte.  Sun Belt has eight teams now, will drop to seven when WKU leaves but adds four -- App St & Georgia Southern as full members and Idaho & NMSt as football only.  Looks like they'll only have 11 next season.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 8:59 AM
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OK, which scenario do you favor:

1)  The current proliferation of lower tier bowls, most of them being in desireable vacation spots.

2)  A new post season tournament for those non BCS conferences which are in between the the old nomenclature of I-A and I-AA.  The MAC, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and maybe the top two or three current I-AA conferences would place either four or eight teams in a bracket and play for a national title.  Higher seeded teams could host all the way through, or else the games could be held in current lower tier bowl sites.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 10:21 AM
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OK, which scenario do you favor:

1)  The current proliferation of lower tier bowls, most of them being in desireable vacation spots.

2)  A new post season tournament for those non BCS conferences which are in between the the old nomenclature of I-A and I-AA.  The MAC, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and maybe the top two or three current I-AA conferences would place either four or eight teams in a bracket and play for a national title.  Higher seeded teams could host all the way through, or else the games could be held in current lower tier bowl sites.


For the first time in my life, I'm beginning to consider the possibility of scenario #2. IF it were organized properly, and IF it claimed a legitimate "tier" just below the highest tier and clearly higher than the mass of what is now IAA. The best conferences in IAA do now complete with the MACs, Sun Belts, Conference USAs, but if you dip below that level, you get football teams that are less competitive.

I would support this new "division" offering high-caliber football that could be billed as more "traditional" college football. Less about the big money.

Problem is, even if you built that intent, it would spiral out of control.

Edit: Perhaps one way to think of this is to draw a parallel between football and the businesses that are supporting the bigtime bowls. Those same companies would likely not support the lower tier bowls. If a new subdivision were created that was a step lower, could you attract smaller companies for sponsorship? 

Like Skyline?
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OK, which scenario do you favor:

1)  The current proliferation of lower tier bowls, most of them being in desireable vacation spots.

2)  A new post season tournament for those non BCS conferences which are in between the the old nomenclature of I-A and I-AA.  The MAC, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and maybe the top two or three current I-AA conferences would place either four or eight teams in a bracket and play for a national title.  Higher seeded teams could host all the way through, or else the games could be held in current lower tier bowl sites.

Give me scenario 2. Draw it up just like the current 1-AA playoffs. 20 teams. Conference winners receive automatic berths followed by a set of at-larges. Higher seed hosts all the way through. I think this would be much more exciting than a bowl that no one cares about playing some Sun Belt team in a glorified exhibition. Make it happen.

 
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Interesting speculation, guys, but that's not the direction things are moving in.  I know it's what Jeff wants, but it simply isn't in the cards for the foreseeable future.  The non-AQ FBS teams have staked their lot -- for better or worse -- with the new FBS Division and not with a new "tweener" division. 
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Interesting speculation, guys, but that's not the direction things are moving in.  I know it's what Jeff wants, but it simply isn't in the cards for the foreseeable future.  The non-AQ FBS teams have staked their lot -- for better or worse -- with the new FBS Division and not with a new "tweener" division. 


It's because ESPN is behind all these new bowls and I don't think they're interested in a playoff system.  They can shoehorn bowl games into their schedule easier than a playoff system.
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