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Posted: 10/19/2013 3:07 PM
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If we lose to EMU and while I'm at it TT is way off on his throws. Should have had a pick 6 earlier and threw and interception in the red zone and is throwing about 2 yards behind every receiver.
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If we lose to EMU and while I'm at it TT is way off on his throws. Should have had a pick 6 earlier and threw and interception in the red zone and is throwing about 2 yards behind every receiver.


Watch out coach Solich!  PhiTau74 wants your job. Oh, and TT there are folks out here that don't have 300 pounders chasing them, who are not seeing what you see from the pocket who don't think 4 TDs and 375 will cut it.  And TT, no more of those ints off your own receivers hands, got it, good. 
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Would you cut the crap of lauding us for big numbers against a really, really horrible team?


The guy's decent but don't tell me about school records vs 1B or whatever it is teams.






 
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Would you cut the crap of lauding us for big numbers against a really, really horrible team?

The guy's decent but don't tell me about school records vs 1B or whatever it is teams.
 


So Monroe, should TT send back the MAC East POTW Award, since, you know, the big numbers were against a really horrible team?
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Would you cut the crap of lauding us for big numbers against a really, really horrible team?

The guy's decent but don't tell me about school records vs 1B or whatever it is teams.
 


So Monroe, should TT send back the MAC East POTW Award, since, you know, the big numbers were against a really horrible team?


No TT shouldn't send it back to the MAC, he should send it to the EMU running back who really was the deserving party--ripping the near top ranked team against the run and dropping the opponent to among the bottom dwellers in conference play. 
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Would you cut the crap of lauding us for big numbers against a really, really horrible team?

The guy's decent but don't tell me about school records vs 1B or whatever it is teams.
 


So Monroe, should TT send back the MAC East POTW Award, since, you know, the big numbers were against a really horrible team?


No TT shouldn't send it back to the MAC, he should send it to the EMU running back who really was the deserving party--ripping the near top ranked team against the run and dropping the opponent to among the bottom dwellers in conference play. 


MonroeClassmate. Finally, credit toward EMU.  Yes EMU's offensive personnel, all of them, deserve huge kudos for playing hard and well. Contrary to Monroe Slavin's assertions, the EMU that Ohio played, the EMU that dedicated that game to their fallen teammate, was not "a really, really horrible team."   EMU,  after the effort they gave against a fine Ohio team, really, really deserved better from us .  They did knock Ohio from 1st to 5th, not quite among the bottom dwellers, in rushing defense. EMU may not play a game like that again this year, but, for last Saturday they deserve credit.  Years ago my son threw the shot in a track meet the day after his grandfather died.  Before the meet he said he would be throwing for his grandpa.  He threw a personal best he never approached in another year and a half of meets.  Classmate, you know, TT would have probably been OK with an EMU player getting the award, but, that's how it goes sometimes.  Last year EMU's Hill torched Toledo for 283 yards so Saturday's 258 was not his career day.  Saturday was TT's career day under extreme conditions.  He should keep the award.  Credit all around.
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I think you could make a strong argument that EMU has the worst defense in D1. So yes, it does seem silly to get too worked up about scoring lots of points against these guys. They are really bad.
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Stupid Question here.   What does TOS mean....
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Stupid Question here.   What does TOS mean....


Tim O'Shea.  We all mostly hated him even during mild success and literally every opening that came up of the 300some D1 jobs, someone posted a thread about it, usually with the subject "TOS to..."  It was strange to have a fan base hoping to have enough success for their coach to get a better job, but that was the environment for a couple years.  Many of them were legit threads to post as O'Shea put his hat in almost any opening, but especially to the East...and he ended up jumping down jobs significantly in order to get out of Ohio and back to the east coast.  But eventually it grew into a joke about any and all job openings, even theoretical ones in different sports.
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Stupid Question here.   What does TOS mean....


Tim O'Shea.  We all mostly hated him even during mild success and literally every opening that came up of the 300some D1 jobs, someone posted a thread about it, usually with the subject "TOS to..."  It was strange to have a fan base hoping to have enough success for their coach to get a better job, but that was the environment for a couple years.  Many of them were legit threads to post as O'Shea put his hat in almost any opening, but especially to the East...and he ended up jumping down jobs significantly in order to get out of Ohio and back to the east coast.  But eventually it grew into a joke about any and all job openings, even theoretical ones in different sports.
 I suspected it was something like this. 
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Would you cut the crap of lauding us for big numbers against a really, really horrible team?

The guy's decent but don't tell me about school records vs 1B or whatever it is teams.
 


So Monroe, should TT send back the MAC East POTW Award, since, you know, the big numbers were against a really horrible team?


No TT shouldn't send it back to the MAC, he should send it to the EMU running back who really was the deserving party--ripping the near top ranked team against the run and dropping the opponent to among the bottom dwellers in conference play. 


MonroeClassmate. Finally, credit toward EMU.  Yes EMU's offensive personnel, all of them, deserve huge kudos for playing hard and well. Contrary to Monroe Slavin's assertions, the EMU that Ohio played, the EMU that dedicated that game to their fallen teammate, was not "a really, really horrible team."   EMU,  after the effort they gave against a fine Ohio team, really, really deserved better from us .  They did knock Ohio from 1st to 5th, not quite among the bottom dwellers, in rushing defense. EMU may not play a game like that again this year, but, for last Saturday they deserve credit.  Years ago my son threw the shot in a track meet the day after his grandfather died.  Before the meet he said he would be throwing for his grandpa.  He threw a personal best he never approached in another year and a half of meets.  Classmate, you know, TT would have probably been OK with an EMU player getting the award, but, that's how it goes sometimes.  Last year EMU's Hill torched Toledo for 283 yards so Saturday's 258 was not his career day.  Saturday was TT's career day under extreme conditions.  He should keep the award.  Credit all around.

Really?  Really?

At some point isn't it about our poor play or poor coaching?  Some time?  Ever?  Just for a moment?

Please look at our first two drives of the second half, each stopped by beauupthemiddles.  That was the last play on one of those drives and two of the last three plays on the other.  Then tell me that was quality, inspired football.  Then, please tell me what investments you recommend so that I can go the other way.





 
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Would you cut the crap of lauding us for big numbers against a really, really horrible team?

The guy's decent but don't tell me about school records vs 1B or whatever it is teams.
 


So Monroe, should TT send back the MAC East POTW Award, since, you know, the big numbers were against a really horrible team?


No TT shouldn't send it back to the MAC, he should send it to the EMU running back who really was the deserving party--ripping the near top ranked team against the run and dropping the opponent to among the bottom dwellers in conference play. 


MonroeClassmate. Finally, credit toward EMU.  Yes EMU's offensive personnel, all of them, deserve huge kudos for playing hard and well. Contrary to Monroe Slavin's assertions, the EMU that Ohio played, the EMU that dedicated that game to their fallen teammate, was not "a really, really horrible team."   EMU,  after the effort they gave against a fine Ohio team, really, really deserved better from us .  They did knock Ohio from 1st to 5th, not quite among the bottom dwellers, in rushing defense. EMU may not play a game like that again this year, but, for last Saturday they deserve credit.  Years ago my son threw the shot in a track meet the day after his grandfather died.  Before the meet he said he would be throwing for his grandpa.  He threw a personal best he never approached in another year and a half of meets.  Classmate, you know, TT would have probably been OK with an EMU player getting the award, but, that's how it goes sometimes.  Last year EMU's Hill torched Toledo for 283 yards so Saturday's 258 was not his career day.  Saturday was TT's career day under extreme conditions.  He should keep the award.  Credit all around.

Really?  Really?

At some point isn't it about our poor play or poor coaching?  Some time?  Ever?  Just for a moment?

Please look at our first two drives of the second half, each stopped by beauupthemiddles.  That was the last play on one of those drives and two of the last three plays on the other.  Then tell me that was quality, inspired football.  Then, please tell me what investments you recommend so that I can go the other way. 


So to be clear.  TT's career day was because of his poor play and 56 points, the most during coach Solich's 9 years was because of the poor coaching? Got it.
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Stupid Question here.   What does TOS mean....


Tim O'Shea.  We all mostly hated him even during mild success and literally every opening that came up of the 300some D1 jobs, someone posted a thread about it, usually with the subject "TOS to..."  It was strange to have a fan base hoping to have enough success for their coach to get a better job, but that was the environment for a couple years.  Many of them were legit threads to post as O'Shea put his hat in almost any opening, but especially to the East...and he ended up jumping down jobs significantly in order to get out of Ohio and back to the east coast.  But eventually it grew into a joke about any and all job openings, even theoretical ones in different sports.


Why did people not like him?
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Would you cut the crap of lauding us for big numbers against a really, really horrible team?

The guy's decent but don't tell me about school records vs 1B or whatever it is teams.
 


So Monroe, should TT send back the MAC East POTW Award, since, you know, the big numbers were against a really horrible team?


No TT shouldn't send it back to the MAC, he should send it to the EMU running back who really was the deserving party--ripping the near top ranked team against the run and dropping the opponent to among the bottom dwellers in conference play. 


MonroeClassmate. Finally, credit toward EMU.  Yes EMU's offensive personnel, all of them, deserve huge kudos for playing hard and well. Contrary to Monroe Slavin's assertions, the EMU that Ohio played, the EMU that dedicated that game to their fallen teammate, was not "a really, really horrible team."   EMU,  after the effort they gave against a fine Ohio team, really, really deserved better from us .  They did knock Ohio from 1st to 5th, not quite among the bottom dwellers, in rushing defense. EMU may not play a game like that again this year, but, for last Saturday they deserve credit.  Years ago my son threw the shot in a track meet the day after his grandfather died.  Before the meet he said he would be throwing for his grandpa.  He threw a personal best he never approached in another year and a half of meets.  Classmate, you know, TT would have probably been OK with an EMU player getting the award, but, that's how it goes sometimes.  Last year EMU's Hill torched Toledo for 283 yards so Saturday's 258 was not his career day.  Saturday was TT's career day under extreme conditions.  He should keep the award.  Credit all around.

Really?  Really?

At some point isn't it about our poor play or poor coaching?  Some time?  Ever?  Just for a moment?

Please look at our first two drives of the second half, each stopped by beauupthemiddles.  That was the last play on one of those drives and two of the last three plays on the other.  Then tell me that was quality, inspired football.  Then, please tell me what investments you recommend so that I can go the other way.





 


You have a point that we've had some vanilla playcalling, but Bcat2 is bringing up a great point.  At some point, a player will play the game of his life.  Sometimes, the entire team plays the game of their lives.  Question the playcalling all you want, but EMU would have been a load for any team they were playing. After the wind was out of their sails and they came back down to earth, we mopped the field with them.

Sometimes the other team deserves their due credit.  This is one of them.

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LoganElm_grad09 wrote:expand_more
Stupid Question here.   What does TOS mean....


Tim O'Shea.  We all mostly hated him even during mild success and literally every opening that came up of the 300some D1 jobs, someone posted a thread about it, usually with the subject "TOS to..."  It was strange to have a fan base hoping to have enough success for their coach to get a better job, but that was the environment for a couple years.  Many of them were legit threads to post as O'Shea put his hat in almost any opening, but especially to the East...and he ended up jumping down jobs significantly in order to get out of Ohio and back to the east coast.  But eventually it grew into a joke about any and all job openings, even theoretical ones in different sports.


Why did people not like him?


See also: "Marin Bota has NBA skills"
See also: "That's life on the road in the MAC"
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....Question the playcalling all you want, but EMU would have been a load for any team they were playing. After the wind was out of their sails and they came back down to earth, we mopped the field with them.


Sometimes the other team deserves their due credit.  This is one of them.


At the game, I would say the weather was a factor as well, but it was clear that EMU was fired up. Once Devin Bass got the pick in the endzone, and then Cochran scored on the very next play, the wind went out of them. From the pick onward, it was a 35-7 game.  Also, from that point onward, Ohio scored every time they got the ball. The yardage after the pick was 292 for Ohio, 132 for EMU. Prior to the pick, the yardage was 345 for EMU to 255 for Ohio.

Emotion can fire up a team, and get them better results, but when the emotional well runs dry, its all over.

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....Question the playcalling all you want, but EMU would have been a load for any team they were playing. After the wind was out of their sails and they came back down to earth, we mopped the field with them.


Sometimes the other team deserves their due credit.  This is one of them.


At the game, I would say the weather was a factor as well, but it was clear that EMU was fired up. Once Devin Bass got the pick in the endzone, and then Cochran scored on the very next play, the wind went out of them. From the pick onward, it was a 35-7 game.  Also, from that point onward, Ohio scored every time they got the ball. The yardage after the pick was 292 for Ohio, 132 for EMU. Prior to the pick, the yardage was 345 for EMU to 255 for Ohio.

Emotion can fire up a team, and get them better results, but when the emotional well runs dry, its all over.



Exactly, look at the game at Marshall last year.
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Stupid Question here.   What does TOS mean....


Tim O'Shea.  We all mostly hated him even during mild success and literally every opening that came up of the 300some D1 jobs, someone posted a thread about it, usually with the subject "TOS to..."  It was strange to have a fan base hoping to have enough success for their coach to get a better job, but that was the environment for a couple years.  Many of them were legit threads to post as O'Shea put his hat in almost any opening, but especially to the East...and he ended up jumping down jobs significantly in order to get out of Ohio and back to the east coast.  But eventually it grew into a joke about any and all job openings, even theoretical ones in different sports.


Why did people not like him?


Because a collective "message board personality" has a hard time letting things go?
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Stupid Question here.   What does TOS mean....


Tim O'Shea.  We all mostly hated him even during mild success and literally every opening that came up of the 300some D1 jobs, someone posted a thread about it, usually with the subject "TOS to..."  It was strange to have a fan base hoping to have enough success for their coach to get a better job, but that was the environment for a couple years.  Many of them were legit threads to post as O'Shea put his hat in almost any opening, but especially to the East...and he ended up jumping down jobs significantly in order to get out of Ohio and back to the east coast.  But eventually it grew into a joke about any and all job openings, even theoretical ones in different sports.


Why did people not like him?


Having to educate young Bobcats on passed eras is really making me feel old, but I appreciate that you guys would need a snapshot of these kind of old & tired references.

You could get 5 different answers to your question from 5 different people.  I would say the biggest reason was the mutterings around the community that he didn't like it here.  Contrast that to a John Groce, who even though he may have ultimately used us as a stepping stone and that may have been the plan all along, his compassion and interest in the Athens community and Ohio students & alumni was genuine.  He had Bobcat pride and wanted to see the program rise in national relevance (and probably still does).  You never really got that vibe from TOS.

Second, and somewhat related, he seemed to pigeon-hole our program as something that will never be big-time, and that manifested itself in 2 very annoying ways.  First, he did not go after big time recruits.  Our recruits generally had offers from only lesser programs, or at best similar programs.  Second, he would talk up accomplishments too much and downplay struggles (most famously saying "that's life on the road in the MAC" after virtually every road loss).

Lasly, in-game coaching and personnel decisions were more upsetting than Hunter, Groce, or Christian combined...If you ask me, anyway.
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As much as anything else, TOS never came off as a likeable guy.  As noted, he appeared to have a negative view of Athens, OU, his team, his job, the MAC, OUr fans and on and on.  Never saw the guy crack a smile the whole time he was here.   It's hard to get behind someone like that.
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Also, don't forget that TOS had some weird Minnesota fetish and stacked our team with mediocre athletes from that state. I can remember a guy from my dorm telling me he played against one of them at Ping, and that they weren't even the best player on the court. I was incredulous, but it turned out he was right.

TOS just couldn't identify talent. The Bota thing was the most obvious example, but there were many others.

Oh, and he looked like an angry, jerkish Wallace Shawn.
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Okay, I concede.  EMU was a very credible opponent and that was a helluva win last week.  All stats and play from that game were first rate.  So, only positive spin is appropriate.
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