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Posted: 10/27/2013 5:39 PM
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I said the same thing about one of his late handoffs. It looked completely nonchalant, but I agree. I think it's the offensive playcalling. TT was ON THE MONEY yesterday with everything and I think he wanted to air it out. At the least, I can really only one series that was Boykin up the middle three times and punt, but man, take the shackles off. In general, we did utilize the edges a good deal more yesterday.


One thing that I couldn't understand is why we didn't do play action to Cochran when we had the wind to our back.  The running game worked early, so Fiami had to respect that.  And the one hitch in the deep pass to Cochran has been underthrows; on most of them, Cochran has had to wait for the ball.  But that shouldn't have been an issue with the wind yesterday.  I would've like to have seen that at least once or twice, but Cochran wasn't even a target yesterday.


Teams study films and it was wise to take the spotlight off Cochran in this game.  His deep game was not needed and getting Waters on film as another threat will help open Chase up against the Beefs.  Might also help the running game.


Nevertheless, would've liked to have seen it once, at least.

I have to imagine avoiding big plays by Cochran was a big key for Miami. As such, it probably opened things up for Foster, Waters and Blankenship.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 6:08 PM
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Once they realized they had this game in hand I think they started thinking about the Beeves and their performance later in the game showed it.
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Posted: 10/28/2013 8:00 AM
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UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I said the same thing about one of his late handoffs. It looked completely nonchalant, but I agree. I think it's the offensive playcalling. TT was ON THE MONEY yesterday with everything and I think he wanted to air it out. At the least, I can really only one series that was Boykin up the middle three times and punt, but man, take the shackles off. In general, we did utilize the edges a good deal more yesterday.


One thing that I couldn't understand is why we didn't do play action to Cochran when we had the wind to our back.  The running game worked early, so Fiami had to respect that.  And the one hitch in the deep pass to Cochran has been underthrows; on most of them, Cochran has had to wait for the ball.  But that shouldn't have been an issue with the wind yesterday.  I would've like to have seen that at least once or twice, but Cochran wasn't even a target yesterday.


Teams study films and it was wise to take the spotlight off Cochran in this game.  His deep game was not needed and getting Waters on film as another threat will help open Chase up against the Beefs.  Might also help the running game.


Nevertheless, would've liked to have seen it once, at least.

I have to imagine avoiding big plays by Cochran was a big key for Miami. As such, it probably opened things up for Foster, Waters and Blankenship.


UpSan Bobcat, you are likely more in tune than I.  Credit to Miami.  TT has said he is coached to take what is most available.  Miami covers Chase, so, next best read is Waters.  Foster seems to be getting his regardless.  Sweet.  Hope Daz can get loose on some returns like the one vs the Beefs last year.
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Posted: 10/28/2013 6:57 PM
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One advantage of playing a full flawless game is the opportunity to get younger players some game experience. When games are close TT takes most of the snaps and Vick and Sprague are not getting enough game experience.

We really need these guys to feel the heat of the real game action. One of them will be our starter next year.
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Posted: 10/28/2013 7:38 PM
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One advantage of playing a full flawless game is the opportunity to get younger players some game experience. When games are close TT takes most of the snaps and Vick and Sprague are not getting enough game experience.

We really need these guys to feel the heat of the real game action. One of them will be our starter next year.


Reminder, Mr. Vick in his first game last year threw four TDs. It took TT well into his third year as a starter to do this.  He will be a RS Jr. meaning he will be in his fourth year with the same coaches, in the same offense.  Also, close or not they have been giving him a series early.  Mr. Vick is ready now. JMHO.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 12:39 AM
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I can't dispute anything you stated. But how many snaps does Vick have against non FCS opponents? I really like him and Sprague as our probable QB's for next year. I am simply stating that our inability to separate from some of our lesser opponents  in the third quarter deprive our younger QB's a chance for valuable game experience.
Vick ( held out of 2 games this season for injury) has thrown 21 passes so far this season, Sprague has thrown 6.
Neither is likely to get much action versus Buffalo or BG,  if TT is healthy.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:21 AM
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Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
One advantage of playing a full flawless game is the opportunity to get younger players some game experience. When games are close TT takes most of the snaps and Vick and Sprague are not getting enough game experience.

We really need these guys to feel the heat of the real game action. One of them will be our starter next year.


Reminder, Mr. Vick in his first game last year threw four TDs. It took TT well into his third year as a starter to do this.  He will be a RS Jr. meaning he will be in his fourth year with the same coaches, in the same offense.  Also, close or not they have been giving him a series early.  Mr. Vick is ready now. JMHO.


And who were those 4 TDs against? I agree with you about his talent, but find a better example.
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And who were those 4 TDs against? I agree with you about his talent, but find a better example.

He also led a nice drive against Marshall. It didn't lead to a TD, but rather to a punt (by him, on fourth down) that pinned Marshall deep.

Mr. Vick is also, from what I have heard, an excellent student, and the kind of player Ohio can be proud of. I think he'll make a fine leader. I have been impressed with Sprague, too, and I suspect Windham will be back on the team soon, too.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:06 PM
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One advantage of playing a full flawless game is the opportunity to get younger players some game experience. When games are close TT takes most of the snaps and Vick and Sprague are not getting enough game experience.

We really need these guys to feel the heat of the real game action. One of them will be our starter next year.


Reminder, Mr. Vick in his first game last year threw four TDs. It took TT well into his third year as a starter to do this.  He will be a RS Jr. meaning he will be in his fourth year with the same coaches, in the same offense.  Also, close or not they have been giving him a series early.  Mr. Vick is ready now. JMHO.


And who were those 4 TDs against? I agree with you about his talent, but find a better example.


Just a minute.  So you agree about his talent. Thank you. About the four TDs, sorry, four TDs is outstanding period.  Why do you want to trash Vick's performance.  He was the first in Ohio's long football history to do so?  Was he the first to ever play a Norfolk State level team? Not by a long shot. 
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Just a minute.  So you agree about his talent. Thank you. About the four TDs, sorry, four TDs is outstanding period.  Why do you want to trash Vick's performance.  He was the first in Ohio's long football history to do so?  Was he the first to ever play a Norfolk State level team? Not by a long shot. 

I didn't read anything on this thread that "trashed" Vick's performance.

 
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Posted: 10/29/2013 8:01 PM
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Just a minute.  So you agree about his talent. Thank you. About the four TDs, sorry, four TDs is outstanding period.  Why do you want to trash Vick's performance.  He was the first in Ohio's long football history to do so?  Was he the first to ever play a Norfolk State level team? Not by a long shot. 

I didn't read anything on this thread that "trashed" Vick's performance.
 


Quote. "And who were those 4 TDs against? I agree with you about his talent, but find a better example."

"Who were the TDs against" discounts the performance. Telling me to "find a better example" discards this performance, it is my read, into the trash.
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Vick looked better against Louisville than TT did.
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I have been trying to understand the recent posts along the lines of "performances against weak teams don't amount to anything", and "winning by 25 or 28 is not enough". I don't recall ever seeing posts like this in 8 years on this forum, yet this year, for some reason, they are frequent. I decided to go back into the history and see if I could find something, anything, that explained it.

I did find that 27% of Grobe's wins were by 30 or more, and 27% of Knorr's wins were by 30 or more, yet only 9% of Solich's wins are by 30 or more. Is that because Solich backs off? Maybe.

Another possible explanation is that when the game is close, he tends to win. Grobe was 8-11-1 in games decided by 7 or less points. Knorr was 2-9 in close games. Solich has a record of 24-11 in close games. Even if you adjust for all the close wins, Grobe won by 30 or more in 13% of his games, while Solich has only won by 30 or more in 8% of his games, so part of it is may be that Solich just wins big less often.

There might be something else at work, too. Of Solich's 6 wins over 30 points, 5 of them are in 2011-2012, which is 14% of those games. Thus, maybe the more big wins he puts up, the more big wins people expect?
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
I have been trying to understand the recent posts along the lines of "performances against weak teams don't amount to anything", and "winning by 25 or 28 is not enough". I don't recall ever seeing posts like this in 8 years on this forum, yet this year, for some reason, they are frequent. I decided to go back into the history and see if I could find something, anything, that explained it.
LC,

I think folks around here are turning into everything I find ugly about college athletics.

Lots of folks have "expectations" about stuff I honestly never expected to hear about Ohio football.

We beat the living hell out of Miami. Is that good enough? No.

We beat Marshall. Is that good enough? No.

I can honestly say, I never expected, in my entire lifetime, to have the *OPPORTUNITY* to go to a bowl game that the Bobcats were playing in.

I've gone to 3 now.

It's a blessing.

These *ARE* the good old days. You should all be enjoying them, instead of trying to compare this team to OSU or Northern Illinois or Boise State.

We are what we are.

We won't have a 75K seat stadium; We won't be in the ACC.

Hell, I'd be shocked if we aren't in the MAC in 20 years.

Athens IS NOT A BIG ENOUGH MEDIA MARKET TO BE ATTRACTIVE TO A CONFERENCE.

Frankly, that's one of the things I love about OU and Athens. It's what we're not.

So if a twenty year old kid takes a play off, in a game we're leading by 17 points, it's not the end of the world.

Chillax people.

Don't turn this into Turdistan or Columbus.

Those people disgust me.

Peace,
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I have been trying to understand the recent posts along the lines of "performances against weak teams don't amount to anything", and "winning by 25 or 28 is not enough". I don't recall ever seeing posts like this in 8 years on this forum, yet this year, for some reason, they are frequent. I decided to go back into the history and see if I could find something, anything, that explained it.


LC,

I think folks around here are turning into everything I find ugly about college athletics.

Lots of folks have "expectations" about stuff I honestly never expected to hear about Ohio football.

We beat the living hell out of Miami. Is that good enough? No.

We beat Marshall. Is that good enough? No.

I can honestly say, I never expected, in my entire lifetime, to have the *OPPORTUNITY* to go to a bowl game that the Bobcats were playing in.

I've gone to 3 now.

It's a blessing.

These *ARE* the good old days. You should all be enjoying them, instead of trying to compare this team to OSU or Northern Illinois or Boise State.

We are what we are.

We won't have a 75K seat stadium; We won't be in the ACC.

Hell, I'd be shocked if we aren't in the MAC in 20 years.

Athens IS NOT A BIG ENOUGH MEDIA MARKET TO BE ATTRACTIVE TO A CONFERENCE.

Frankly, that's one of the things I love about OU and Athens. It's what we're not.

So if a twenty year old kid takes a play off, in a game we're leading by 17 points, it's not the end of the world.

Chillax people.

Don't turn this into Turdistan or Columbus.

Those people disgust me.

Peace,
-john

Well said sir! 
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Just a minute.  So you agree about his talent. Thank you. About the four TDs, sorry, four TDs is outstanding period.  Why do you want to trash Vick's performance.  He was the first in Ohio's long football history to do so?  Was he the first to ever play a Norfolk State level team? Not by a long shot. 

I didn't read anything on this thread that "trashed" Vick's performance.
 


Quote. "And who were those 4 TDs against? I agree with you about his talent, but find a better example."

"Who were the TDs against" discounts the performance. Telling me to "find a better example" discards this performance, it is my read, into the trash.


Well, I guess one man's "trash" is another man's "completely overreacting".
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We played well against NTSU, stupd cow and 'kron.  The outlook was good--I was heavy on that bandwagon about how our lines on both sides of the ball were young and were developing.  If that path continued, I thought we'd make the MACC and have a good chance for a W there.

And we were hitting what certainly looked to be an easy stretch.

Then, we lot to CMU at home on homecoming when a w woulda put us at .500 for all time (right?).  Then, we were 7 yards away from being down 28-21 mid-third quarter vs. EMU.  And we kept doing nothing runs up the middle, continuing to do so to no good effect at key moments (starting drives of second halves).

The last paragraph is a recitation of facts.  Facts.

Now we seem to need to win out in order to make the MACC.

So, some of us who do not wear TheHappyFace and believe that OHIO can do no wrong at all, begin to wonder if we are the very solid team that put away some tough opponents after the loss to Louisville or if we are the struggling against lesser competition team which we've been lately.

Those who see ONLY the good, who can't be somewhat realistic need not respond since 100% absolute, unfailing, all the time happy, everything is perfect is wrong, boring, and precludes discourse.  Talking to someone who refuses to consider both sides of an issue--what's the point.






 
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I understand your point, Monroe. These things are signs of flaws, but I think people sometimes forget these things happen to every team (because no team is perfect) and there is an over-reaction when it happens.

The last four games, Bowling Green trailed Akron midway through the third quarter, didn't put away UMass until the third quarter, had bad first halves against Mississippi State (not a good SEC team) and Toledo and lost both those games. A couple weeks before that, they got hammered by Indiana (not a very good Big Ten team; they scored 10 points when Indiana is otherwise giving up 42 points per game.)

Northern Illinois was tied with 1-7 Idaho in the fourth quarter and trailed FCS Eastern Illinois in the fourth quarter in back-to-back weeks. Kent State led Northern Illinois in the third quarter. Akron lost by only a touchdown to NIU. Central Michigan was tied with NIU in the third quarter.

All-in-all, I don't think there's a lot of differences in the letdowns these other top teams have had, other than the fact that one of Ohio's came back to bite them in the form of a loss to Central Michigan. That's part of the fun of sports - games don't always go exactly how we think they should.
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We played well against NTSU, stupd cow and 'kron.  The outlook was good--I was heavy on that bandwagon about how our lines on both sides of the ball were young and were developing.  If that path continued, I thought we'd make the MACC and have a good chance for a W there.

And we were hitting what certainly looked to be an easy stretch.

Then, we lot to CMU at home on homecoming when a w woulda put us at .500 for all time (right?).  Then, we were 7 yards away from being down 28-21 mid-third quarter vs. EMU.  And we kept doing nothing runs up the middle, continuing to do so to no good effect at key moments (starting drives of second halves).

The last paragraph is a recitation of facts.  Facts.

Now we seem to need to win out in order to make the MACC.

So, some of us who do not wear TheHappyFace and believe that OHIO can do no wrong at all, begin to wonder if we are the very solid team that put away some tough opponents after the loss to Louisville or if we are the struggling against lesser competition team which we've been lately.

Those who see ONLY the good, who can't be somewhat realistic need not respond since 100% absolute, unfailing, all the time happy, everything is perfect is wrong, boring, and precludes discourse.  Talking to someone who refuses to consider both sides of an issue--what's the point.
 

I absolutely agree with your facts.

In fact, I think we played poorly against CMU.

Again, I agree with most of what you're saying. We are not playing at a consistently high level.

I think games like the last two tell you absolutely NOTHING about how good you are; the opponents were dominated on both sides of the line, and that's about all you can tell.

And that's not indicative of much else.  It's hard for any team to look good when they're losing up front on both sides of the ball.

The parts where I disagree with you, though, is that the wheels are falling off the apple cart, and it's clearly because a player took some plays off, or appeared disinterested to you.

I think the play calling looks a bit safe; but is that because of the lead, or in spite of it?

And I always thought that we'd have a tough road to the MACC; it just seems year after year that no one flies into that game with a 2 game lead.  Frankly, I think if we play our best, we'll have our hands full with Northern Illinois, assuming we get there.

This next game against Buffalo will tell the tale.  I am very much looking forward to it.

GO BOBCATS!

-john


 
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Monroe, I'm curious what your current take would be if TC had not muffed that final punt and OHIO had won the CMU game.  I'm betting that you would not be posting daily about all of the problems you see with our offense, defense, and the general questionable state of the program.  I could be wrong.  So enlighten me, Monroe.  Thanks.  
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OCF--I'd be a significantly less vocal if we'd've beaten CMU.  But we didn't.  That's the key..  The punt muff hurt--obviously and no denying.  But we put ourselves in a position on that homecomer in which a muff could be the difference.  It shouldn't have come down to that.

Having losed to CMU, it appears that we pretty much have to win out make the MACC...right?

That loss to CMU was not good and could have big repercussions.



 
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OCF--I'd be a significantly less vocal if we'd've beaten CMU. But we didn't. That's the key.. The punt muff hurt--obviously and no denying. But we put ourselves in a position on that homecomer in which a muff could be the difference. It shouldn't have come down to that.

Having losed to CMU, it appears that we pretty much have to win out make the MACC...right?

That loss to CMU was not good and could have big repercussions.
Monroe, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I know CMU was a tough pill to swallow with it being on homecoming and all and I don't like that we lost either. But with CMU being in the west doesn't it make the loss a little less painful compared to Akron or Miami in the east? I'm just thinking had we of lost to Akron or Miami that mountian would be even tougher to climb compared to losing to the chips.
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Does anyone know why Buff does not play Akron.   I don't recall ever seeing this is the past where a east team does not play all the other east teams or west not playing all west teams.  Is this something that has happened in the past.   

Just curious how this would play out for any tiebreakers.  
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Does anyone know why Buff does not play Akron.   I don't recall ever seeing this is the past where a east team does not play all the other east teams or west not playing all west teams.  Is this something that has happened in the past.   

Just curious how this would play out for any tiebreakers.  


It happens every year (the team only playing 5 of the other 6 teams rotates, don't think its been us yet). Its because there are 7 teams in the east and 6 in the west. For the West division teams to play 8 conference games, every one of them needs to play 3 East teams (5 games against their divisional brethren + 3 cross overs). However, for the 7 East teams to play 8 conference games, they need to play 2 games against crossover opponents and 6 intradivisional games. Hence the problem.
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Audio13--I'm not sure.  I do know that winning all the readily winnable games is a lot better than dropping one of those with the tough part of the sched coming up.  Espec given that it was homecoming.
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