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Rowdy Rufus
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Posted: 11/9/2013 8:23 AM
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Putting Vick in when were down by 20-30 like at Louisville or at Buffalo accomplishes nothing. Spurier has no problem pulling Conner Shaw down here at Sputh Carolina when he is not getting the job done. The old ball coach knows a little Bit about QB's and Conner Shaw is a hell of a lot better than TT. You keep doing things the same way you can't expect different results. In our last 15 games OU is 8-7 with wins over AP, EMU twice, Fiami, Akron so it's not really happening is it. We have been smoked by Buffalo, Kent, Ball St and Bowling Green but hey keep doing it the same way and I'm sure it's going to change the results.
 ah.. don't forget wins against ULM, Marshall and North Texas.  Lets not forget that Marshall and N. Texas could very well meet in the C-USA championship.   Not sure I would say we were smoked by BG.. Special teams cost us this game not TT.   Ball state was not as bad as the score either.   


So you just need to get ULM, Marshall and North Texas to move to the MAC and we can say we finally beat a MAC team with a winning record. If our goal is to occasionally beat teams ranked 70-100 that are non conference then you should be real happy. Finishing 6 or 7 in a below average conference is a great accomplishment. How about beating a MAC team with a winning record, actually winning a MAC title or beating a top 25 team. We got totally dismantled by Louisville and honestly Louisville would be 6 or 7 in the SEC at best.  
 I guess I fail to understand the point you are trying to make.   We are not Big10 or SEC or even AAC ready. So wins against a good sun belt and C-USA team is ok for now.  These are quality wins for a program in our current state. 
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Posted: 11/9/2013 9:44 AM
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As I watched the Buffalo game it was apparent to me that the real issue was that we lost this game in the trenches. Both the offensive and defensive lines for Buffalo won that battle.
Any good coach will acknowledge the importance of controlling the line of scrimmage.
Now, having said that, I do believe it is the teams strategy for TT to cut down his running.
Jordon Lynch and NUI are successful in part to his dual threat ability.
It does appear that when TT was running more we performed better.
If a defense doesn't have to be concerned about the QB running then they have  a simplified defensive game plan.

UP NEXT BG
2 QUESTIONS ON OFFENSE:
1) Will we change up out offensive plays to acknowledge that our offensive line can not open the holes for straight ahead running?
2) Will we add in more play action passing to get TT out from the box, so we do not look 1 dimensional?
1 QUESTION ON DEFENSE:
1) We will increase our rush D to add more pressure on the QB, particularly on 3rd and long?


GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 11/9/2013 12:46 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Y'know who I want as our qb?  The guy or gal who's confident, a leader, knowing, refuses to lose, actions over words, executes, is accountable, determined, unflappable.

I don't care what his name is.  I don't care if he's been on the team five years or five minutes.  I want the guy who's most capable.


I'd say that's what you have.


I'd say that what we have is no one who's shown this year that they are that guy.

I see very little of the required qualities on the field now....else we wouldn't be having this discussion.


That, I would agree with.
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Posted: 11/9/2013 3:41 PM
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Rowdy Rufus wrote:expand_more
Putting Vick in when were down by 20-30 like at Louisville or at Buffalo accomplishes nothing. Spurier has no problem pulling Conner Shaw down here at Sputh Carolina when he is not getting the job done. The old ball coach knows a little Bit about QB's and Conner Shaw is a hell of a lot better than TT. You keep doing things the same way you can't expect different results. In our last 15 games OU is 8-7 with wins over AP, EMU twice, Fiami, Akron so it's not really happening is it. We have been smoked by Buffalo, Kent, Ball St and Bowling Green but hey keep doing it the same way and I'm sure it's going to change the results.
 ah.. don't forget wins against ULM, Marshall and North Texas.  Lets not forget that Marshall and N. Texas could very well meet in the C-USA championship.   Not sure I would say we were smoked by BG.. Special teams cost us this game not TT.   Ball state was not as bad as the score either.   


So you just need to get ULM, Marshall and North Texas to move to the MAC and we can say we finally beat a MAC team with a winning record. If our goal is to occasionally beat teams ranked 70-100 that are non conference then you should be real happy. Finishing 6 or 7 in a below average conference is a great accomplishment. How about beating a MAC team with a winning record, actually winning a MAC title or beating a top 25 team. We got totally dismantled by Louisville and honestly Louisville would be 6 or 7 in the SEC at best.  
 I guess I fail to understand the point you are trying to make.   We are not Big10 or SEC or even AAC ready. So wins against a good sun belt and C-USA team is ok for now.  These are quality wins for a program in our current state. 


OK for now? Solich has had what 8 years now and we are starting to regress. My point wasn't about how good the SEC is my point was Louisville isn't that good and we made them look like national champs. We played OSU well a couple years ago and now we fold against good teams. You keep avoiding discussing the MAC for some reason since we are in the MAC I find strange. 
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Posted: 11/9/2013 4:18 PM
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71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
As I watched the Buffalo game it was apparent to me that the real issue was that we lost this game in the trenches. Both the offensive and defensive lines for Buffalo won that battle.
Any good coach will acknowledge the importance of controlling the line of scrimmage.
Now, having said that, I do believe it is the teams strategy for TT to cut down his running.
Jordon Lynch and NUI are successful in part to his dual threat ability.
It does appear that when TT was running more we performed better.
If a defense doesn't have to be concerned about the QB running then they have  a simplified defensive game plan.

UP NEXT BG
2 QUESTIONS ON OFFENSE:
1) Will we change up out offensive plays to acknowledge that our offensive line can not open the holes for straight ahead running?
2) Will we add in more play action passing to get TT out from the box, so we do not look 1 dimensional?
1 QUESTION ON DEFENSE:
1) We will increase our rush D to add more pressure on the QB, particularly on 3rd and long?


GO BOBCATS



Hmm...So we ourselves are asking TT to run less--which is exactly what the oppo would prefer that we do.

And the question stated above on offense has existed all season but we've little solved it.  Not good.

According to stats at ohiobobcats.com, we averaged 4.4 yards per rush last year and are at 3.9 this year.  Sure feels like we've dropped more than .5 per carry.

 
R Fox--I like arguing with you...good, legit, lively debate...but like it better when we agree!







 
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Posted: 11/9/2013 6:53 PM
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Rowdy Rufus wrote:expand_more
Putting Vick in when were down by 20-30 like at Louisville or at Buffalo accomplishes nothing. Spurier has no problem pulling Conner Shaw down here at Sputh Carolina when he is not getting the job done. The old ball coach knows a little Bit about QB's and Conner Shaw is a hell of a lot better than TT. You keep doing things the same way you can't expect different results. In our last 15 games OU is 8-7 with wins over AP, EMU twice, Fiami, Akron so it's not really happening is it. We have been smoked by Buffalo, Kent, Ball St and Bowling Green but hey keep doing it the same way and I'm sure it's going to change the results.
 ah.. don't forget wins against ULM, Marshall and North Texas.  Lets not forget that Marshall and N. Texas could very well meet in the C-USA championship.   Not sure I would say we were smoked by BG.. Special teams cost us this game not TT.   Ball state was not as bad as the score either.   


So you just need to get ULM, Marshall and North Texas to move to the MAC and we can say we finally beat a MAC team with a winning record. If our goal is to occasionally beat teams ranked 70-100 that are non conference then you should be real happy. Finishing 6 or 7 in a below average conference is a great accomplishment. How about beating a MAC team with a winning record, actually winning a MAC title or beating a top 25 team. We got totally dismantled by Louisville and honestly Louisville would be 6 or 7 in the SEC at best.  
 I guess I fail to understand the point you are trying to make.   We are not Big10 or SEC or even AAC ready. So wins against a good sun belt and C-USA team is ok for now.  These are quality wins for a program in our current state. 


Rowdy Rufus.  Correct. Though this has me thinking about the SEC and how Bama has been king of the hill like NIU has been king of the hill in the MAC.  The SEC has an upper echelon of good teams who can be proud to be contending; LSU, A&M, Georgia, Florida, So Carolina, Missouri.  There is lots of good football between these teams. The MAC has an upper echelon of teams contending; Ball State, Bowling Green, Ohio, Toledo, Buffalo.  There is good football being played between these teams.  You know fans from , lets say, So. Carolina are not seeing their team winning the SEC. Might Ohio be the So. Car. of the MAC? Or would you say Georgia or A&M or the Florida? And please, I understand the MAC  is not the SEC.
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Posted: 11/14/2013 12:20 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Y'know who I want as our qb?  The guy or gal who's confident, a leader, knowing, refuses to lose, actions over words, executes, is accountable, determined, unflappable.

I don't care what his name is.  I don't care if he's been on the team five years or five minutes.  I want the guy who's most capable.


I said this going into BG, it was evident during the game, and I still say it.

Vick, Sprague, let's see what you got.
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Posted: 11/14/2013 11:23 AM
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Here I am again, agreeing with Monroe.
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Posted: 11/14/2013 12:10 PM
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Counsel of mental health professional no doubt advisable 
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There may come a time a player, despite many accomplishments, is not physically up to playing a particular position.  Even Cal Ripken was moved from SS to 3B.  You have to put the player into a position that gives you the best chance to win.  If we continue to run the read-option then it has to be Vick.  If they want to stick with TT then the offensive scheme needs to be changed due to the fact he can't run.  Something has to give.  

There's no doubt what TT has accomplished at Ohio is fantastic. He'll be remembered as one of the greats.  The coaching staff owes it to every other senior on the team, and every other player who works so hard, every donor who gives to their program, every season ticket holder and every fan and supporter of this university, though, to put the best product on the field.  One person is not above it all, no matter how much they have accomplished.  Players "deserve" to start if they can perform.  End of story.  

 
Last Edited: 11/14/2013 1:15:10 PM by Maryland Bobcat
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Big difference between South Carolina and Ohio is South Carolina knocks off good teams in their conference every year ie Missouri this year and as typical get upset by a Tenn. Ohio losses to a CMU (upset) but gets blown out by BG and Buffalo. 
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