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Posted: 11/26/2013 3:32 PM
The MAC has been holding it's own in bowl games in recent years, except against BCS Conferences:
2009 - 1 win, 4 losses
Little Caesars Pizza - Marshall 21, Ohio 17
Humanitarian Bowl - Idaho 43, BG 42
International Bowl - USF 27, NIU 3
GMAC - CMU 44, Troy 41
Eagle Bank - UCLA 30, Temple 21

2010 - 2 wins, 2 losses
Humanitarian Bowl - NIU 40, Fresno State 17
New Orleans Bowl - Troy 48, Ohio 21
Little Caesars Pizza - FIU 34, Toledo 32
Godaddy.com - Miami 35, MTSU 21
Temple @ 8-4 was not invited.
WMU  @ 6-6 was not invited

2011 - 4 wins, 1 loss
Godaddy.com Bowl - NIU 38, Ark State 20
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl - Ohio 24, Utah State 23
Military Bowl - Toledo 42, Air Force 41
New Mexico Bowl - Temple 37, Wyoming 15
Little Caesars Pizza - Purdue 37, WMU 32
Ball State @6-6 was not invited

2012 - 2 wins, 5 losses
Orange Bows - Florida State 31, NIU 10
Advocare - Ohio 45, Louisiana-Monroe 14
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl - Utah State 41, Toledo 14
Godaddy.com Bowl - Arkansas State 17, Kent 13
Beef O'Brady's - UCF 38, Ball State 17
Miltary Bowl - San Jose State 29, BG 20
Little Caesar's Pizza - CMU 24, WKU 21

Records versus Other Conferences:
Big Ten 0-1
ACC 0-1
PAC Ten 0-1
Big East 0-1
CUSA 0-2
MWC 2-0
WAC 2-3
Sunbelt 5-3
Combined Record 9-12
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Posted: 12/1/2013 11:37 AM
So, to me, it looks pretty good on our bowl chances. It seems the MAC has tie-ins with:

Little Caesars
GoDaddy
Potato
Poinsettia (back-up agreement to replace Army)
Beef O'Brady (back-up agreement to replace AAC team)

In order for the Beef O'Brady to be open, all we need is for SMU to lose (to UCF). Alternatively, Rutgers could lose to USF and they would be ineligible. Just need one of those to happen, but won't complain if both do.

The other thing we need to have happen is for NIU to beat BG, thus sending them to the BCS.

I would be shocked if somehow a bowl picks 6-6 CMU over us, so I don't think we really need to worry about them.

So....

Go UCF and USF!
Go Huskies!
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Posted: 12/3/2013 11:01 AM
What if the Little Ceasar's Bowl take CMU again? They were 6-6 last year and took them. They aren't obligated to take MAC teams with better records.
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Posted: 12/3/2013 11:34 AM
World B. Free wrote:expand_more
What if the Little Ceasar's Bowl take CMU again? They were 6-6 last year and took them. They aren't obligated to take MAC teams with better records.


But there were also fewer teams available last season due to all the NCAA sanctions and because MTSU & LaTech were shafted (MTSU by the Sun Belt; LaTech's was self-inflicted).  CMU was able to get into Pizza because other bowls wanted MAC teams with better records.  That may not be the case this year, and I doubt the MAC would allow CMU to jump ahead of either Toledo or Ohio to placate a bowl that isn't going to be affiliated with the MAC come next year.
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Posted: 12/3/2013 11:46 AM
USA Today projects:
Mon., Dec. 23
 
Beef 'O' Brady's American Ath. vs. C-USA *Ohio vs. East Carolina
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Posted: 12/3/2013 4:02 PM
Little Caesars Pizza Bowl $750,000 - CMU
Hawaii Bowl $650,000 - BG
Beef ‘O’ Brady’s $537,500 - BALL
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl $325,000 - TOL

BG, TOL and BALL all had better records than CMU, yet went to bowls in which the payouts were less. Maybe the MAC pools the money?

Plus, don't the LCP Bowl handlers have a say in who plays in their bowl? Why should they take Ball State or Buffalo when CMU fans will travel to the game?

I hope the MAC makes the call on this...
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Posted: 12/3/2013 4:25 PM
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.... Maybe the MAC pools the money?

Yes, that's how it works. All bowl money goes to the conference. The conference then gives shares to all conference members, including schools that don't go to bowls at all. Unfortunately the amount that schools get who do go to bowls may not be enough to cover the costs, so teams that actually go to bowls often end up with a loss, while teams that don't go end up with a smaller check, but no expenses.

That's another reason for wanting NIU in the BCS. The bowl money is a lot more, and will flow to benefit the entire conference.
Last Edited: 12/3/2013 4:25:31 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 12/3/2013 4:45 PM
Bobcat Debate 73 wrote:expand_more
USA Today projects:
Mon., Dec. 23
 
Beef 'O' Brady's American Ath. vs. C-USA *Ohio vs. East Carolina


YES YES YES PLZ

Party at my house, then we'll all walk over to the Trop.
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Posted: 12/3/2013 5:31 PM
Tim Burke wrote:expand_more
USA Today projects:
Mon., Dec. 23
 
Beef 'O' Brady's American Ath. vs. C-USA *Ohio vs. East Carolina


YES YES YES PLZ

Party at my house, then we'll all walk over to the Trop.

This is the year this probably will happen. I have a friend who lives within walking distance to there but I'm pretty sure he's going to be back in Ohio at this time this year.

 
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Posted: 12/3/2013 7:58 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
.... Maybe the MAC pools the money?

Yes, that's how it works. All bowl money goes to the conference. The conference then gives shares to all conference members, including schools that don't go to bowls at all. Unfortunately the amount that schools get who do go to bowls may not be enough to cover the costs, so teams that actually go to bowls often end up with a loss, while teams that don't go end up with a smaller check, but no expenses.

That's another reason for wanting NIU in the BCS. The bowl money is a lot more, and will flow to benefit the entire conference.


I know this is the way it was in years past, but I believe this to be changed in recent years. I don't think the split is even any more, and think that the conference tries to make the bowl teams whole before anyone else gets a cut. If I come across the links I will pass them along. This is to discourage bottom feeders like EMU from doing nothing and getting paid for it.

I also believe that the payouts listed are for conference contracted teams. So if a SEC vs ACC bowl opens up and the MAC team enters, a previous $500,000(or other $ amount) payout may no longer apply. I don't know if this is true for every bowl that needs a fall-back team, but it did come up in prior year(s).

ben

EDIT: Here is an article stating Ohio received a higher amount to help offset costs of their bowl trips, and not the 1/13th share that they had gotten 4/5 years ago.

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In 2010, Ohio received a $300,000 payout from the Mid-American Conference and needed $96,000 from the fund to balance out the costs of the trip. In 2011, Ohio received a $475,000 payout from the MAC and needed just $9,722.43 from the PSOF to cover the rest of the expenses for the trip to Boise. For the Independence Bowl, Ohio received a payout of $400,000 from the MAC, and received another $23,876 in revenue from ticket sales.


Now 'shares' from hoops NCAA appearances may actually be split evenly. I'm unsure of that, but think I remember Ohio was/is still not getting 100% benefit from the Sweet 16 run.
Last Edited: 12/3/2013 8:34:47 PM by mcbin
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Posted: 12/3/2013 8:23 PM
Bobcat Debate 73 wrote:expand_more
USA Today projects:
Mon., Dec. 23
 
Beef 'O' Brady's American Ath. vs. C-USA *Ohio vs. East Carolina

The post says they think its going to be Ohio against MTSU in the Beef O'Brady Bowl. CUSA has a slot in the Military Bowl this year and they want ECU who is going to become a future conference partner when they move to the AAC next year. This is a good pick for Ohio because of last second Florida recruiting for 2014 and that the MAC moving forward is a partner in the Poinsettia Bowl so it will be available again another year. Ohio has a history of playing in non-aligned MAC bowls (New Orleans, Independence) over ones with primary and secondary agreements.

 
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Posted: 12/3/2013 9:08 PM
Yes, I wasn't clear. The amounts are not even between the 13 teams. The conference first gives allotments to the teams that go to bowls that is intended to offset the expenses of those schools. After giving shares to the teams that go to bowls, whatever is left is split between the conference. As your quote shows, even after getting an allotment to cover costs, Ohio ended up with small losses in years it went to bowls. Teams that didn't go to bowls at all had no expenses, so any share they got is a profit.
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