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Posted: 1/17/2014 4:24 PM
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Well, the college sports landscape is finally going to officially split into haves and have nots pretty soon. As the presidents of the "resourced conferences" meet this week in San Diego, We are closer to the split that some on here have said will never happen and others here have feared would happen. It's the next step in the poor step children like the MAC being placed at the back table. "Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night."
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Posted: 1/18/2014 7:10 PM
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like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA.  We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player.  it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us.  They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.

 
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Posted: 1/18/2014 9:29 PM
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Casper71 wrote:expand_more
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA.  We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player.  it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us.  They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.

 


Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.
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I would bet the farm that nothing will change. It's just idle talk and has been for years. They need us, we need them, etc. I do not foresee any major changes whatsoever.
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Posted: 1/19/2014 10:06 AM
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA.  We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player.  it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us.  They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.

 


Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.



Agree,  The day colleges start paying players - call it a stipend, if you like - is the day I stop following college sports.  I say "sports" and not just football, because once the payments begin I'm thinking they must be paid all scholarship athletes in all sports. 

Looking further ahead, once such payments begin, the pressure will start building to increase the "stipends." 
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Posted: 1/19/2014 10:38 AM
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I would bet the farm that nothing will change. It's just idle talk and has been for years. They need us, we need them, etc. I do not foresee any major changes whatsoever.
I think you may be off base on this prediction. Once the haves start paying their players the full cost of college, there will additional separation. We will continue to play the top group, but will be relegated to a lower division in essence.
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Posted: 1/19/2014 12:03 PM
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There will definitely be fewer opportunities for conferences like the MAC to schedule to "power" conferences.  The P's expansion is making them expand their conference schedules to nine instead of eight games.  And if they start paying players, they'll need more money which means higher ticket prices (also a necessity due to fewer home games because of more conference games) which means that ticket buyers will pressure them for bigger name teams.  Most of them will have maybe one slot for non-Ps, two at most. 

If they start paying players maybe they should have fewer schollies.  That would help spread the availability of quality players among more teams. 
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Posted: 1/19/2014 12:14 PM
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The direction I see the football program going in is away from the payday games with a concentration on more home dates. More home games is working for the program and the solid attendance average over 7 games was used as justification for the at-large bowl bid. I bet if the MAC, CUSA, SBC, AAC and MWC would all be forced down to FCS attendance in Peden would stay strong. Ohio were to move down when another 8-10 programs moved up from FCS not so much.
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Posted: 1/19/2014 12:36 PM
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Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA. We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player. it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us. They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.


Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.


Agree, The day colleges start paying players - call it a stipend, if you like - is the day I stop following college sports. I say "sports" and not just football, because once the payments begin I'm thinking they must be paid all scholarship athletes in all sports.

Looking further ahead, once such payments begin, the pressure will start building to increase the "stipends."
College players are already paid, they receive scholarships, room and board, etc.
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Posted: 1/19/2014 1:02 PM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA. We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player. it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us. They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.


Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.


Agree, The day colleges start paying players - call it a stipend, if you like - is the day I stop following college sports. I say "sports" and not just football, because once the payments begin I'm thinking they must be paid all scholarship athletes in all sports.

Looking further ahead, once such payments begin, the pressure will start building to increase the "stipends."


College players are already paid, they receive scholarships, room and board, etc.


So are you saying there is no difference in this proposed stipend? Or are you splitting hairs in order to argue?
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Posted: 1/19/2014 1:58 PM
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Whatever.  Win some games against good teams.  Win the MAC Championship.
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Posted: 1/19/2014 4:09 PM
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Pataskala wrote:expand_more
There will definitely be fewer opportunities for conferences like the MAC to schedule to "power" conferences. The P's expansion is making them expand their conference schedules to nine instead of eight games. And if they start paying players, they'll need more money which means higher ticket prices (also a necessity due to fewer home games because of more conference games) which means that ticket buyers will pressure them for bigger name teams. Most of them will have maybe one slot for non-Ps, two at most.

If they start paying players maybe they should have fewer schollies. That would help spread the availability of quality players among more teams.
another problem is that they are talking about more schollies not less
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Posted: 1/19/2014 6:38 PM
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like I said elsewhere, sooner or later, we will be placed in some kind of purgatory between the BIG5 and 1AA. We will have about 60 new neighbors who, like us, just do not have the resources to pay multi million dollar salaries to a coach or 10-15,000 per player. it is coming...

And, yes, they will play us. They will just cease to share the big bucks with us.


Then what incentive will we have to play them?

I will never watch a college football game involving a paid player.


Agree, The day colleges start paying players - call it a stipend, if you like - is the day I stop following college sports. I say "sports" and not just football, because once the payments begin I'm thinking they must be paid all scholarship athletes in all sports.

Looking further ahead, once such payments begin, the pressure will start building to increase the "stipends."


College players are already paid, they receive scholarships, room and board, etc.


So are you saying there is no difference in this proposed stipend? Or are you splitting hairs in order to argue?
Not at all saying that there is no difference! Just pointing out that kids are already compensated, and ones from poor economic situations can really make out.
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Posted: 1/19/2014 11:54 PM
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Most if not all of the 125 schools pay grad students tutiton and fees AND a salary for teaching (20 hrs per week).  So, why won't they pay an athlete a"salary" in addition to their tuition and fees?

And, why will they schedule us?  They will need games! And, why will we take the pay day? 'Cause we need the money.

We just won't have access to any big time bowls as if we really ever had.  The Division we're in will be relegated to crap bowls OR have some kind of play off too.

Just a matter of one more realignment and time...stay tuned!

 
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Posted: 1/20/2014 2:47 AM
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So some of you are completely fine with college coaches making multi-million dollar salaries? Assistant coaches and AD's making hundreds of thousands of dollars? The TV networks, the conferences, the bowl game powers-that-be... all lining their pockets? And yet, paying those that actually do the work (while putting their long-term health at-risk) a *meager* salary is unacceptable?! Seriously, how can you justify that position?
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Posted: 1/20/2014 10:30 AM
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Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
So some of you are completely fine with college coaches making multi-million dollar salaries? Assistant coaches and AD's making hundreds of thousands of dollars? The TV networks, the conferences, the bowl game powers-that-be... all lining their pockets? And yet, paying those that actually do the work (while putting their long-term health at-risk) a *meager* salary is unacceptable?! Seriously, how can you justify that position?
Although my view might be the minority one, I justify my opposition to paying college athletes beyond the valuable "rides" they receive for this reason: They are choosing to play.

Parents, other family members, friends and others might be encouraging a high school athlete to play college sports, but in the end it's a matter of choice.
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Posted: 1/20/2014 11:55 AM
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Very long term, I could see the highest level of college football becoming privatized and made into a quite profitable club system that loosely ties the program to the university via corporate adoption. An owner pays the university a certain amount of money for the rights to operate the team. Working out whether the players would be required to be an actual college student could be a contentious issue.
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I was a "walk-on" for O.U's  D1 men's soccer team.
Not only was most of the team playing without scholarship money,we even had to pay for our preseason housing and meals.

I transfered from O.U. to F.D.U. and wrestled D 1 there.
I started as "walk-on" and got a partial (very partial) scholarship my Senior year.

My Senior year I tore up 1 knee and had my shouler seperated 1 week before Nationals, so I also know a little bit about injuries and their impact.

I realize neither sport is a "money maker" with a "pro" component.

Those of us who didn't have a scholarship competed because we enjoyed the sport. Any member of either team would have considered a full ride with room and board and  books,more then enough compensation for competing.

If you are on an athletic  scholarship you are getting a free education that you keep after you finish participating in a sport.
You also get travel and other "perks" that the average student doesn't.

To me, that's enough "compensation".
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Posted: 1/20/2014 1:56 PM
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Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
Parents, other family members, friends and others might be encouraging a high school athlete to play college sports, but in the end it's a matter of choice.


Is it choice or the illusion of choice?
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Posted: 1/21/2014 8:55 AM
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Intreresting conversation. I thought this realignment of haves and have nots was just a bunch of illegitimate rumours and idle talk on Big 6 message boards not to be believed and never with a chance in hell of gaining ANY traction.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 10:48 AM
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Parents, other family members, friends and others might be encouraging a high school athlete to play college sports, but in the end it's a matter of choice.


Is it choice or the illusion of choice?
For weak-minded or easily persuaded HS athletes, it might be an illusion. For most, though, to me it is a real choice. And, in a statement of the blindingly obvious, when choices are made, consequences will follow.
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Posted: 1/21/2014 11:16 AM
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Posted: 1/25/2014 8:38 AM
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Some good info about the last year of the BCS and the payout for non-AQ's under the new, 12 year playoff agreement: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-do...
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