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OhioStunter
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Posted: 1/9/2014 2:29 PM
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Not only would they make attractive home games, but the road games would be attractive as well. Selfishly for me, because Northwestern and Purdue are pretty close...
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Posted: 1/9/2014 4:07 PM
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OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Louisville and Marshall are quality opponents. Even though North Texas had a good year, I'd like to see us play Northwestern , NC State, WVU or Purdue. Throw in one more team above our heads. I agree with your MAC comment.


How are those teams better opponents than what we had this year?

Northwestern #84
WVU #88
NC State #102
Purdue #115

Louisville #15
Marshall #33
North Texas #55
Austin Peay not ranked

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to play those teams. But if your argument is scheduling higher quality opponents, the teams you listed don't cut the mustard.


Depends on how you define quality.  The four teams listed would generally be viewed as better schools to play than the four we played by the general population.  By die hard sports fans or board posters, maybe not, but by the general public yes and we have more of the general public attending our games than die hard sports fans or board posters.

Of course it depends on how you define quality. But in the context of this case, we're talking about how Ohio can improve in these rankings.

giacomo said to schedule higher quality opponents.

My counterpoint is that scheduling opponents that are actually ranked lower than Ohio will not improve in the rankings.

If we were talking about attendance, marketing, alumni events, then yes, we would need to consider the perceived quality of these other opponents; but for rankings, no.

 


So are you saying that scheduling Northwestern, Purdue, NC State and WVU isn't better than scheduling Louisville, Marshall, North Texas and Austin Peay? Regardess of how the teams faired this season, I'm still not convinced of that.
 
We'd be playing four BCS schools, most likely all of them on the road. I don't care where they finish, that's a better schedule IMO. I understand where you're coming from though because of how Louisville, Marshall and UNT finished. I mean to me, if I'm a voter of these supposed ranking, I look at that first schedule and say "wow, these guys went out of their way to schedule some big time opponents. (big time used loosely as BCS schools)" 

Look at NIU last year. They made it to a BCS bowl and they lost a game at Iowa against a team that went 4-8, won at Army and beat a 1-11 Kansas team. They went out of their way to schedule BCS schools, no matter how bad they ended up.

I think I may be interpreting what you're saying wrong, so don't take that personally.
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Posted: 1/9/2014 4:48 PM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more

 
So are you saying that scheduling Northwestern, Purdue, NC State and WVU isn't better than scheduling Louisville, Marshall, North Texas and Austin Peay? Regardess of how the teams faired this season, I'm still not convinced of that.


When it comes to improving a final ranking, yes. You're saying that playing teams that are ranked #84, #88 and #102 are better than playing teams that are ranked #15, #33 and #55 when it comes to improving Ohio's final ranking?

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We'd be playing four BCS schools, most likely all of them on the road. I don't care where they finish, that's a better schedule IMO. I understand where you're coming from though because of how Louisville, Marshall and UNT finished. I mean to me, if I'm a voter of these supposed ranking, I look at that first schedule and say "wow, these guys went out of their way to schedule some big time opponents. (big time used loosely as BCS schools)" 


Do you think that voters think Northwestern, Purdue, NC State and WVU were big time opponents this year?

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Look at NIU last year. They made it to a BCS bowl and they lost a game at Iowa against a team that went 4-8, won at Army and beat a 1-11 Kansas team. They went out of their way to schedule BCS schools, no matter how bad they ended up.


NIU had a nice OOC schedule. Tough, but winnable games. They also played a "non-BCS" school UT Martin.

The big difference is that NIU ran the table in the MAC. Your example of NIU proves my point.

Ohio had a similar schedule this year as NIU had last year.

Like NIU in 2012, Ohio only lost one OOC game in 2013 with what I think was a better OOC schedule (NIU's big 3 OOC team records was a combined 7-29 in 2012, Ohio's big 3 OOC team records was a combined 31-9 this year).

If Ohio had run the table in the MAC this year, Ohio would have been in a BCS Bowl just like NIU was last year.

I stand by my original post that scheduling "better" OOC opponents is not the issue, handling the MAC is.

GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I think I may be interpreting what you're saying wrong, so don't take that personally.


Nothing personal here. This is just good ol' fashion message board fun.
Last Edited: 1/9/2014 4:49:17 PM by OhioStunter
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Posted: 1/9/2014 6:38 PM
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I was trying to be realistic with my scheduling wishes. I think  we should play Marshall every year. WVU is in the region and might actually play us for some relief from the Big 12. Also, in most years it would be competitive and a possible win. Playing some lower or middle of the pack BCS teams does elevate our schedule, no matter the rankings. Pittsburgh is another possibility, although we did beat them the last time and they might not  want to play again. They do play MAC schools on a regular basis.
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Posted: 1/9/2014 9:10 PM
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Stunter, I see your point on the OOC and rankings. I think it would probably be a lot different if Ohio started with that hypothetical OOC schedule and then played the season and ran the OOC table. Go 4-0 against those teams and they finish the same as they did this year, that's better than our present OOC schedule. I was thinking in the more hypothetical than the actual ranking. So I did misread what you were saying. 

But here's another argument. If you say navigating the MAC is the important part, then shouldn't we be ranked lower than we currently are since our MAC record was dreadful? Put Florida, NW, WVU or Utah in the MAC and they don't have as bad a record as we did.  

 
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Posted: 1/10/2014 1:43 AM
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. . .  Pittsburgh is another possibility, although we did beat them the last time and they might not  want to play again. They do play MAC schools on a regular basis.


I don't believe that's the reason we haven't played Pitt in the last several years.  I think it just might have to do with who their AD is and his historical relationship with Frank.
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Posted: 1/10/2014 9:06 AM
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As Elmer Fudd once said, "twue, twue".

I completely forgot about Pederson. Scratch them off the list.
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Posted: 1/14/2014 4:42 PM
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Yes, I think once Pederson is gone from Pitt, I think they are probably our top candidate for a regional AQ conference team that we could do a 1-1 with.  The other one that I think might do it is Indiana. 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:01 PM
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I doubt they would do a 1-1 but I've liked having Louisville and UK on the schedule I feel they are in our region and we seem to consistently recruit Kentucky. God help me, but I wouldn't mind setting up a deal with Temple for a series. The question of if they actually "moved up" is in debate. But while they were in the MAC the games were always tough and entertaining and the argument could of been made that they were becoming just as much of a rival as say Miami and Marshall, granted I think there was one poster in their camp that was fanning that flame *cough* MH55 *cough.* 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 3:15 PM
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Well, several MAC schools have signed 1-1s with AQ teams in recent years.  I believe, though I'm not totally sure, Toledo's home game with Mizzou in 2014 is the return game of a 1-1 contract.  
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:56 PM
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I don't like the ranking, but can't see a reason to disagree with with it either. I too would like to see us in the top 40 year after year, but I will say this; twenty years ago that statement would have been preposterous. We couldn't win two games in a season - and we were trying very hard. All and all - I'm proud of our progress, but yes I'm greedy and want much more. I' m human. I would be happy if we won the MAC occasionally. That would be nice.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:23 AM
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Very greedy.  Be happy with where we are, with what we've achieved.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:33 PM
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I'd take forever in the top half.  that's not too much to ask for.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 4:26 PM
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Of the MAC?  That's satisfactory?  I dunno about that.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 6:29 PM
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Top half of the 125 (or so) football players in the top division.  'Cause I think we are better than average. That would be about #60 or better ALWAYS.  #77 is not less than #60 so I am unhappy about this year
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