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Posted: 2/4/2014 6:24 PM
Here's a link to Signing Day Central.

This should be a class filled with playmakers. For those that haven't been lurking on the Recruiting Forum pages, here are some of the playmakers expected to sign:

QB - Joey Duckworth, was out for the season

Big Running Back - Maleek Irons 6'1", 205; 3204 yards rushiing, 45 TDs, 10.5/carry Junior year, 2744 yards, 31 TDs, 13.3/carry Senior Season

Speed Back - Papi White 5'9" 180, 3116 yards, 12.8 yards/carry, 4.45 40

All Purpose Back - Robbie Walker 5'9" 173; 926 yards, 5.3 yards/carry, 19 catches for 259 yards

WR - Herman Brunis 6'0, 170 lbs; 40 catches, 716 yards  5 TDs, really goes up after the ball, catches it even in traffic

WR/S - Chek Washington 5'11" 183; 67 receptions, 1190 yards 10 TDs, NW Division II offensive player of the year

WR - Andrew Meyer 6'1" 190; injured in preseason

WR/DB/QB - Tyler Jones 6'1" 185

Lots more players, too, on the line, on defense. Should be fun tomorrow.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 1:57 AM
I'm very excited about the future of our running game with this group. All 3 of the RBs look outstanding, though I imagine 1 (either Robbie Walker or Papi White) will play more as a slot receiver.

Also important to note that 2 of OL (McCray and Lowery) are 3 star  players, with Dudziak being only a couple thousandths of a point from being one himself.

Whats the story with Leavitt? If he was a 2013 recruit, why is he joining this season?
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Posted: 2/5/2014 6:38 AM
I agree - I see Walker in the slot. Of the three, he has the best hands. I also see him as the punt returner/kick returner for the same reason. They are all very different backs, though, and all will play important, and different roles.

As for Leavitt, I don't know what the reason was, but for some reason he wasn't able to enroll last fall, and deferred enrollment, but still plans to be a Bobcat. A year ago Sebastian Smith deferred enrollment for health reasons, and entered a year later, so Leavitt isn't the first to do it.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 7:55 AM
DallasCat wrote:expand_more
I'm very excited about the future of our running game with this group. All 3 of the RBs look outstanding, though I imagine 1 (either Robbie Walker or Papi White) will play more as a slot receiver.

Also important to note that 2 of OL (McCray and Lowery) are 3 star players, with Dudziak being only a couple thousandths of a point from being one himself.

Whats the story with Leavitt? If he was a 2013 recruit, why is he joining this season?
I am excited too. The team already has Daz and Dorian Brown. Bass and Carpenter returned kicks. Honestly, the way Carpenter looked on some kicks, he could have been a RB. Dorian has had a year to get bigger, stronger and faster. I am hoping he becomes a hybred of Boykin/Blankenship. It all starts with making the DC respect something up the gut then the outside running and down the field passing opens up. Now if Vick can study some Charlie Ward tapes from FSU.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:39 AM
If I'm reading the signing day central page correctly, Duckworth was the first to send in his LOI. Of the first seven kids, six of them were from Ohio and it's only 9:40am.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:46 AM
There are only a handful of this class not from Ohio. Walker is from DC area, Irons from Vancouver, Canada, Papi White from Texas.and Brunson from Michigan. It seems like a classic formula - take a core of excellent local players, and selectively add speed from around the country.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:50 AM
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There are only a handful of this class not from Ohio. Walker is from DC area, Irons from Vancouver, Canada, Papi White from Texas.and Brunson from Michigan. It seems like a classic formula - take a core of excellent local players, and selectively add speed from around the country.


Shouldn't this be the formula every year? This is the biggest group of Ohio kids that Frank and Co. have gotten to sign since he's been here. I feel like that's kind of bizarre given how long he's been here. I know Ohio is a recruiting hotbed for surrounding states as well, but we should be doing better than that in-state by now right?
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Posted: 2/5/2014 10:28 AM
I agree that it should be the plan. In the early years, though, I don't think the facilities were competitive, and they didn't have as good of a football reputation.  Ohio has made progress, though, and I think the IPF was the last piece they needed to boost recruiting. Last year you started to see a trend to getting more players from Ohio, with 9 signees from Ohio. This year there may be something like 17 from Ohio, which is great because they are not only good players, they will also attract more fan support for Ohio across the state.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:09 AM
I guess with having eight other D1 programs in the state, it may take more than a few years to attract that talent away from them to get down here. It also helps that schools like PSU, Pitt, CMU, WMU, Indiana and UK have been down for the past few years. Just goes to show how many great football players come from Ohio. I agree about the attendance thing as well. Down the road, I think that's the only way Ohio gets a stadium expansion. Ohio has to recruit kids in-state and establish a foothold which will attract more fans to watch "their boys" play.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:12 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
There are only a handful of this class not from Ohio. Walker is from DC area, Irons from Vancouver, Canada, Papi White from Texas.and Brunson from Michigan. It seems like a classic formula - take a core of excellent local players, and selectively add speed from around the country.


Shouldn't this be the formula every year? This is the biggest group of Ohio kids that Frank and Co. have gotten to sign since he's been here. I feel like that's kind of bizarre given how long he's been here. I know Ohio is a recruiting hotbed for surrounding states as well, but we should be doing better than that in-state by now right?


Jason Arkley has an interesting article that address the points you cover.  Linking below:

http://www.athensohiotoday.com/sports/ohiouniversity/ohio-seeing-benefits-already-from-ipf/article_723ba9aa-547d-5d7b-b668-d69b951095d1.html

 
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Posted: 2/5/2014 11:51 AM
MedinaCat wrote:expand_more
There are only a handful of this class not from Ohio. Walker is from DC area, Irons from Vancouver, Canada, Papi White from Texas.and Brunson from Michigan. It seems like a classic formula - take a core of excellent local players, and selectively add speed from around the country.


Shouldn't this be the formula every year? This is the biggest group of Ohio kids that Frank and Co. have gotten to sign since he's been here. I feel like that's kind of bizarre given how long he's been here. I know Ohio is a recruiting hotbed for surrounding states as well, but we should be doing better than that in-state by now right?


Jason Arkley has an interesting article that address the points you cover.  Linking below:

http://www.athensohiotoday.com/sports/ohiouniversity/ohio-seeing-benefits-already-from-ipf/article_723ba9aa-547d-5d7b-b668-d69b951095d1.html

 


The recruiting arms race is a fascinating study for any graduate-level student. Ohio goes from what, 6-8 kids a year from Ohio and almost IMMEDIATELY after the IPF goes up, that number doubles. Just incredible.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 12:01 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
There are only a handful of this class not from Ohio. Walker is from DC area, Irons from Vancouver, Canada, Papi White from Texas.and Brunson from Michigan. It seems like a classic formula - take a core of excellent local players, and selectively add speed from around the country.


Shouldn't this be the formula every year? This is the biggest group of Ohio kids that Frank and Co. have gotten to sign since he's been here. I feel like that's kind of bizarre given how long he's been here. I know Ohio is a recruiting hotbed for surrounding states as well, but we should be doing better than that in-state by now right?


Jason Arkley has an interesting article that address the points you cover.  Linking below:

http://www.athensohiotoday.com/sports/ohiouniversity/ohio-seeing-benefits-already-from-ipf/article_723ba9aa-547d-5d7b-b668-d69b951095d1.html

 


The recruiting arms race is a fascinating study for any graduate-level student. Ohio goes from what, 6-8 kids a year from Ohio and almost IMMEDIATELY after the IPF goes up, that number doubles. Just incredible.


Good point about the arms race. I think it shows how far behind Ohio was in terms of football facilities in the eyes of potential recruits.  Ohio is just getting an IPF now.  As I recall, I believe a majority of MAC teams already have an IPF.  So Ohio's been a little bit behind the curve as far as that's concerned and potential recruits saw that.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 12:07 PM
Five bowl games didn't hurt, either, but clearly the IPF was a huge factor, and you can see it in two places. One is the huge increase in in-state recruits. The second is the timing of recruits. Here's a table that I had posted on the recruiting forum, and it isn't complete, but you can see the difference immediately if you look at the last two years. This is the timing of verbals:
              By June    Jul      Aug     Sept      Oct       Nov       Dec       Jan       Feb
2005           0            0         0          0           0          0           0         20         6
2006           0            0         0          0           0          3           1           9         6
2007           0            0         0          1           1          1           4           5         9
2008           0            0         0          0           0          0           9           2         9
2009           0            0         0          2           0          3           2           3        11
2010           0            2         1          2           1          0           0           3         7
2011           2            2         3          0           0          0           0           4         5
2012           0            0         0          4           1          1           4           5         4  
2013           1           10
2014           5 .           8        3


Suddenly, the last two years Ohio has starting getting early verbals. This is significant because Ohio each year sends out 100-150 offers to their first choices, and then waits to see how many of those accept. Then, after the season, in December-January, they look around for other players that can fill the remaining spaces. Most years nearly the entire class was filled in the last 45 days, from mid-December on. Now they are getting a high acceptance rate from their first choices, and this year most of the class was filled by August.

Arkley's article is great, and his perspective is similar to mine. One place I differ - he expects 14 players from Ohio. I expect 17. We'll know before the day is out.

Edit - As of now 20 players are either signed or enrolled, including 14 from Ohio. I am still looking for 5 more, including three from Ohio, Connor Brown (TE), Pierce Royster (K), and Tyler Jones (S). Two important ones remain from out of state, Papi White (Oklahoma), and Maleek Irons (Canada).
Last Edited: 2/5/2014 12:39:01 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 1:45 PM
We all love the OHIO kids and it shows we are progressing in our recruitment in State.  However, if we don't recruit FL, VA, NC, GA, etc we are not gonna keep up with the Jones's and we are gonna miss out on some speed guys that are really necessary to keep moving forward.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 1:58 PM
The team's twitter says the list published on the website is the final list. Names not listed include Frueauf and Royster. Do preferred walk-ons still sign?

In watching our recruits' tape, the one thing that sticks out to me is how versatile a lot of them are. Most of our players look like they have played on both sides of the ball. Several of them have experience as returners. Even Bonnstetter, the punter, has experience as a QB and DB.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 2:31 PM
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Arkley's article is great, and his perspective is similar to mine. One place I differ - he expects 14 players from Ohio. I expect 17. We'll know before the day is out.


As of 2:30, the count is still 16 from Ohio.  So if we are playing horsehoes, LC is closest and wins.  If we are on the Price is Right, Arkley is the winner. 

Either way, I am looking forward to see the immediate and long term impact of this class!
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Posted: 2/5/2014 2:39 PM
Haha, 16 it is, unless you count Leavitt, a leftover from last year who will join the team this fall. Add in preferred walkons Royster (Hudson) and Frueauf (Moeller) and Ohio got quite the haul from in-state this year.
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Haha, 16 it is, unless you count Leavitt, a leftover from last year who will join the team this fall. Add in preferred walkons Royster (Hudson) and Frueauf (Moeller) and Ohio got quite the haul from in-state this year.

The impressive part about it is those guys had offers form other MAC schools for a full scholarship and instead would rather take a chance as a preferred walk on with Ohio. Miami, Kent and Akron had very weak classes this year in state while BG (MAC Champs) and Ohio (5 straight bowls) did the signing.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 6:02 PM
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Five bowl games didn't hurt, either, but clearly the IPF was a huge factor, and you can see it in two places. One is the huge increase in in-state recruits. The second is the timing of recruits. Here's a table that I had posted on the recruiting forum, and it isn't complete, but you can see the difference immediately if you look at the last two years. This is the timing of verbals:
              By June    Jul      Aug     Sept      Oct       Nov       Dec       Jan       Feb
2005           0            0         0          0           0          0           0         20         6
2006           0            0         0          0           0          3           1           9         6
2007           0            0         0          1           1          1           4           5         9
2008           0            0         0          0           0          0           9           2         9
2009           0            0         0          2           0          3           2           3        11
2010           0            2         1          2           1          0           0           3         7
2011           2            2         3          0           0          0           0           4         5
2012           0            0         0          4           1          1           4           5         4  
2013           1           10
2014           5 .           8        3


Suddenly, the last two years Ohio has starting getting early verbals. This is significant because Ohio each year sends out 100-150 offers to their first choices, and then waits to see how many of those accept. Then, after the season, in December-January, they look around for other players that can fill the remaining spaces. Most years nearly the entire class was filled in the last 45 days, from mid-December on. Now they are getting a high acceptance rate from their first choices, and this year most of the class was filled by August.

I think what happens a lot in the MAC with the average lifespan of a coaching staff around 4 years is that the new coach on a block tends to have an advantage because you can't negatively recruit against an offense ran at a school for example if the staff has never played a down of football yet in that uniform. The 4th class by Solich seems like a step back for the program only to take it up a notch after that with it becoming a long term program. One area where I disagree with your analysis is the IPF as a huge factor. When a recruiting sales pitch starts it begins with attaching the player to a future position on the team, watching us play on ESPN to see what the schemes are. Then its about meeting some of the staff and having confidence in the program. The IPF is something to show on the visit but its not like overall its an incredible facilities package at Ohio. Its more about if you like Athens, the role and the coaching staff. Do you want to play right away and on a good team? That is why McCray switched according to an article. There are MAC schools out there like Miami that are cupcake payday schools with only 5 games at home. Ohio takes football seriously and schedules itself to make a bowl every year. That is the kind of program if I'm a player that I want because of the extra TV appearances for making a bowl or a MAC title game.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 6:57 PM
Papi White is a clone of Noel Devine. Both him an Irons have great moves and a true gamers and not just speed guys. Papi needs some work on his running technique yet to maximize. Devine was enough to transform West Virgina from a 7 or 8 win program to Top 10 overnight with a Fiesta Bowl win so I'm hoping for that (lol).
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Papi White is a clone of Noel Devine. Both him an Irons have great moves and a true gamers and not just speed guys. Papi needs some work on his running technique yet to maximize. Devine was enough to transform West Virgina from a 7 or 8 win program to Top 10 overnight with a Fiesta Bowl win so I'm hoping for that (lol).


Great comparison......but as I sit here drinking green koolaid he looks like Barry Sanders.
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Papi White is a clone of Noel Devine. Both him an Irons have great moves and a true gamers and not just speed guys. Papi needs some work on his running technique yet to maximize. Devine was enough to transform West Virgina from a 7 or 8 win program to Top 10 overnight with a Fiesta Bowl win so I'm hoping for that (lol).


Great comparison......but as I sit here drinking green koolaid he looks like Barry Sanders.


After I twisted my ankle on the ice this afternoon, I'm taking meds that make me hallucinate and literally see the form of Jim Brown in an Ohio uniform.  
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Papi White is a clone of Noel Devine. Both him an Irons have great moves and a true gamers and not just speed guys. Papi needs some work on his running technique yet to maximize. Devine was enough to transform West Virgina from a 7 or 8 win program to Top 10 overnight with a Fiesta Bowl win so I'm hoping for that (lol).


Great comparison......but as I sit here drinking green koolaid he looks like Barry Sanders.


After I twisted my ankle on the ice this afternoon, I'm taking meds that make me hallucinate and literally see the form of Jim Brown in an Ohio uniform.  


Huh....6'2"-240 pound RB who runs about a 4.4 forty and when he goes down acts like he's hurt so the D isn't worried about him?

Hmmmmm...send me some of that stuff.
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Posted: 2/5/2014 9:07 PM
Coach Solich was a great running backs coach at Nebraska so hopefully he can take these great recruits and make them even better.

I think finally having an IPF has made a tremendous difference in recruiting the last two years.  Any ideas what the next advancement in the arms race (at least in the MAC) will be?
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I think finally having an IPF has made a tremendous difference in recruiting the last two years.  Any ideas what the next advancement in the arms race (at least in the MAC) will be?


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