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Posted: 12/24/2013 9:36 AM
I think taking a sack by stepping out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away is more a matter of judgment than heart or guts.  Since the Fiami game last season he has SHOWN frustration a lot, something he rarely, if ever, did before.  I think those were frustration sacks; he got flustered and ran out of bounds instead of pitching it away. 

I liked his effort yesterday.  I don't recall once seeing him with that "don't wanna be here" look he had at L'ville, Buffalo & BG.  His judgment sometimes wasn't the best, but ECU is also a good team and created some of the TOs with great coverage.  With Boykin, Waters and others hurt, plus not having T2 in the running game, our arsenal was limited. 

I really do wish him well. 
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Posted: 12/24/2013 9:53 AM
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I think taking a sack by stepping out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away is more a matter of judgment than heart or guts.  Since the Fiami game last season he has SHOWN frustration a lot, something he rarely, if ever, did before.  I think those were frustration sacks; he got flustered and ran out of bounds instead of pitching it away. 

I liked his effort yesterday.  I don't recall once seeing him with that "don't wanna be here" look he had at L'ville, Buffalo & BG.  His judgment sometimes wasn't the best, but ECU is also a good team and created some of the TOs with great coverage.  With Boykin, Waters and others hurt, plus not having T2 in the running game, our arsenal was limited. 

I really do wish him well. 


I do too Pataskala-thank you to TT and all the seniors for all of their blood, sweat and tears they've put into Ohio.
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Posted: 12/24/2013 10:35 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I think taking a sack by stepping out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away is more a matter of judgment than heart or guts.  Since the Fiami game last season he has SHOWN frustration a lot, something he rarely, if ever, did before.  I think those were frustration sacks; he got flustered and ran out of bounds instead of pitching it away. 

I liked his effort yesterday.  I don't recall once seeing him with that "don't wanna be here" look he had at L'ville, Buffalo & BG.  His judgment sometimes wasn't the best, but ECU is also a good team and created some of the TOs with great coverage.  With Boykin, Waters and others hurt, plus not having T2 in the running game, our arsenal was limited. 

I really do wish him well. 


I do too Pataskala-thank you to TT and all the seniors for all of their blood, sweat and tears they've put into Ohio.


Agree completely. TT stepping out of bounds on that play was just a bad decision. He was complaining about one of his receivers being held down field. I'm sure that caused a fraction of a second hesitation/expectation he'd get the call, and that instant took away his chance to throw the ball away.

I thought TT looked like he was on a mission yesterday. The two INTs were uncharacteristic, and to me, demonstrated a QB who was pushing the envelope, trying to make things happen. I don't think anyone wanted to win more than TT yesterday.
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Posted: 12/24/2013 1:37 PM
As much as I have been disappointed by TT's play this year I doubt for the most part that he wasn't trying to give it his all or had no heart.  But his football IQ just seemed to either stagnate or regress since his injuries last year.  And I wager there had to be some kind of psychological stuff going on in his head after his injury last year that has affected his game.  There is no doubt that TT was probably the best or at least most successful QB Solich has had in his tenure.  But I think what tinges everyone's eyes is the improvement we were looking for from a kid that started as a Sophomore.  The lack of substantial improvement was disappointing, we all thought with his god given talent that the sky was the limit, but we learned that he did have a limit.  Thus we were a good team, but TT just couldn't get us to be great.
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Posted: 12/24/2013 4:38 PM
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As much as I have been disappointed by TT's play this year I doubt for the most part that he wasn't trying to give it his all or had no heart. But his football IQ just seemed to either stagnate or regress since his injuries last year. And I wager there had to be some kind of psychological stuff going on in his head after his injury last year that has affected his game. There is no doubt that TT was probably the best or at least most successful QB Solich has had in his tenure. But I think what tinges everyone's eyes is the improvement we were looking for from a kid that started as a Sophomore. The lack of substantial improvement was disappointing, we all thought with his god given talent that the sky was the limit, but we learned that he did have a limit. Thus we were a good team, but TT just couldn't get us to be great.
Tyler's so season made him a marked man. Defensive coordinators do study film and can usually take away something from the offense. On balance you notice the 1600 yards Beau was able to get while DEs were keeping contain. Beau comes out of last year marked too. When you gain a reputation and are respected by defenses improvement in stats might just not happen. A shame disappointed fans seem unable to credit the defenses. All they can do is blame TT for not being Superman. Did you see him stand in the pocket, make the throw and get steamrolled by the DT? No heart, right!!!
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Posted: 12/24/2013 9:52 PM
Not pointing to TT or Beau specifically at all, but will you ever acknowledge that we had only about one player (apart from special teams) who played consistently well this year.  We may have talent but very little showed on the field,  THrow in some really predictable coaching and you get...us this year.

Acceptable?     No; not acceptable.

 
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Posted: 12/24/2013 10:18 PM
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Tyler's so season made him a marked man. Defensive coordinators do study film and can usually take away something from the offense. On balance you notice the 1600 yards Beau was able to get while DEs were keeping contain. Beau comes out of last year marked too. When you gain a reputation and are respected by defenses improvement in stats might just not happen. A shame disappointed fans seem unable to credit the defenses. All they can do is blame TT for not being Superman. Did you see him stand in the pocket, make the throw and get steamrolled by the DT? No heart, right!!!


Thing is, OUr team has to adjust too. It goes both ways. In my personal opinion, Tyler and many of the seniors did not work hard enough to overcome these adjustments and other adversity they faced along the way. Honestly, I just didn't get the impression that they cared enough to put in the time, effort and energy for the mental part of the game. On gameday, for the most part, I think they played their hardest (i.e. I'm not suggesting we were tanking the games or anything of the sort). But gameday is just a small part of what winning programs do.

Same goes for coaches though. We saw adjustments and tweaks to the playbook for the bowl game. Where were these all season?

Bottom line: Are ALL players and ALL coaches working their @$$es off to win football games? My personal belief is no. You can agree or disagree, but that's what I've come to believe from watching the games and hearing some "behind the curtain" stuff. This program should expect nothing short of excellence. If someone (player or coach) isn't working to the point that it hurts, they should be gone.
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Posted: 12/24/2013 11:09 PM
I Agree that TT had a very bad year but you can't say that he gave up in the bowl game. I was at the game and re watched it after and saw TT play his heart out. Grant it wasn't his best performance, he still showed a lot of heart and I appreciate everything he has done. If you watch after we go up 20-17 espn cuts to TT on the sideline and you can physically see that he is very emotional and wanted to win that game badly. Yes he played bad late but as a fan base we need to get behind our most successful QB in our history and give him some respect. I can see what you say about him maybe giving up in the Kent and UB game but not here. If you watch the game again you will see the emotion. My Hat goes off to TT you had a hell of a career and you'll be missed dearly
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Posted: 12/25/2013 12:07 AM
You guys who say that TT is the most successful QB in Ohio history obviously never saw Cleve Bryant play.  And, if you go looking at stats, you have to compare game averages, not totals, because Cleve played in fewer games per year and was not eligible to play as a freshman, so he only had three years on the varsity.  I think TT as a sophomore was a really good QB.  As a junior, he was still pretty good but seemed to have regressed a little.  And, then this year his running game was nonexistent and he was one-dimensional most of the season.  In the bowl game, I thought he did try to become more unpredictable and he ran for two first downs.  As someone else said, it seemed his heart was in the game but not his brain.  His interceptions were from the pocket.  Even the announcers were saying that he passed better on the rollout.  So, why didn't he roll out more?  I'm sure he wasn't ordered to stay in the pocket.  There is still something strange about the way this season ended in the last four regular season games and then in this bowl game.  I think our defense played well enough to win yesterday (save for a bonehead personal foul penalty in the 4th Qt.), but our offense once again couldn't score when the really needed to -- after the brilliant onside kick recovery -- or after going in the hole in the late 4th quarter.   My bottom line, I'm glad the TT era is at an end, and I'm looking forward to the Vick Era next year.  I do wish TT well in his future endeavors and I thank him for many good memories -- like the clinching drive last year against Penn State and the clutch winning drive against Utah State two years ago in the Tater bowl.  Will always remember those good memories.  Go OHIO!
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Posted: 12/25/2013 6:34 AM
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You guys who say that TT is the most successful QB in Ohio history obviously never saw Cleve Bryant play. And, if you go looking at stats, you have to compare game averages, not totals, because Cleve played in fewer games per year and was not eligible to play as a freshman, so he only had three years on the varsity. I think TT as a sophomore was a really good QB. As a junior, he was still pretty good but seemed to have regressed a little. And, then this year his running game was nonexistent and he was one-dimensional most of the season. In the bowl game, I thought he did try to become more unpredictable and he ran for two first downs. As someone else said, it seemed his heart was in the game but not his brain. His interceptions were from the pocket. Even the announcers were saying that he passed better on the rollout. So, why didn't he roll out more? I'm sure he wasn't ordered to stay in the pocket. There is still something strange about the way this season ended in the last four regular season games and then in this bowl game. I think our defense played well enough to win yesterday (save for a bonehead personal foul penalty in the 4th Qt.), but our offense once again couldn't score when the really needed to -- after the brilliant onside kick recovery -- or after going in the hole in the late 4th quarter. My bottom line, I'm glad the TT era is at an end, and I'm looking forward to the Vick Era next year. I do wish TT well in his future endeavors and I thank him for many good memories -- like the clinching drive last year against Penn State and the clutch winning drive against Utah State two years ago in the Tater bowl. Will always remember those good memories. Go OHIO!
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tyler-tettlet...

I really hope when I get older my memory does not do this to me! Look at the numbers anyway you want, per game, per play, per after a eggs for pre game breakfast. Cleve's only ahead in 1 or two categories. Now if we are going to judge simply based on MAC Titles, than Cleve is your man at QB.
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Posted: 12/25/2013 9:18 AM
MAC championships work for me.
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Posted: 12/25/2013 10:41 AM
As a person who has watched both Cleve and Tyler, I would quickly pick Cleve.  He had a certain magic about his play that resulted in his whole team playing better.  I think Tyler approached this his first year starting, but hasn't come close since.  Bryant had a very good team to lead, but he had that something that makes a special quarterback and you could just see it when he played.  His coaching ability was another story.
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Posted: 12/25/2013 10:58 AM
Here is some film of Cleve Bryant in the Tangerine Bowl:

http://wn.com/1968_tangerine_bowl
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Posted: 12/25/2013 11:16 AM
In regards to stats, Cleve played in significantly less games...worth noting. Schedules were only 10 games back then as opposed to 12 now. Also, no MAC title game then.
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Posted: 12/25/2013 1:07 PM
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You guys who say that TT is the most successful QB in Ohio history obviously never saw Cleve Bryant play. And, if you go looking at stats, you have to compare game averages, not totals, because Cleve played in fewer games per year and was not eligible to play as a freshman, so he only had three years on the varsity. I think TT as a sophomore was a really good QB. As a junior, he was still pretty good but seemed to have regressed a little. And, then this year his running game was nonexistent and he was one-dimensional most of the season. In the bowl game, I thought he did try to become more unpredictable and he ran for two first downs. As someone else said, it seemed his heart was in the game but not his brain. His interceptions were from the pocket. Even the announcers were saying that he passed better on the rollout. So, why didn't he roll out more? I'm sure he wasn't ordered to stay in the pocket. There is still something strange about the way this season ended in the last four regular season games and then in this bowl game. I think our defense played well enough to win yesterday (save for a bonehead personal foul penalty in the 4th Qt.), but our offense once again couldn't score when the really needed to -- after the brilliant onside kick recovery -- or after going in the hole in the late 4th quarter. My bottom line, I'm glad the TT era is at an end, and I'm looking forward to the Vick Era next year. I do wish TT well in his future endeavors and I thank him for many good memories -- like the clinching drive last year against Penn State and the clutch winning drive against Utah State two years ago in the Tater bowl. Will always remember those good memories. Go OHIO!


http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tyler-tettlet...

I really hope when I get older my memory does not do this to me! Look at the numbers anyway you want, per game, per play, per after a eggs for pre game breakfast. Cleve's only ahead in 1 or two categories. Now if we are going to judge simply based on MAC Titles, than Cleve is your man at QB.


Please supply the comparative stats.  Your URL only has stats for TT.  And, I agree with the other poster who said that Cleve was a real leader on the field and he came up with the big play when it was needed.  Woody Hayes once told me in a personal conversation that Cleve was the best QB he had ever seen in his ability to throw on the dead run either to his left or his right.  My favorite Cleve play was when he was on the dead run in one direction and would then turn at the last second in the other direction and fire a dead accurate pass to the receiver.  This wasn't a one-time fluke.  He did that regularly.  Woody, by the way, saw Cleve on Bill Hess' films when they went to Vietnam together to make presentations to the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines stationed there.  On thing that I recall about Cleve's physical makeup was that he had the largest hands that I had ever seen.  His hands were completely out of porportion to his overall size.  I suspect those hands would have look "normal" on a person about 8 foot 5.  
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Posted: 12/25/2013 1:45 PM
Number of MAC titles won is a statistic that I find relevant.
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Posted: 12/25/2013 2:29 PM
Loved Tyler and his heart. Good luck young man and thanks for the memories!
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Posted: 12/25/2013 5:59 PM
Cleve was successful 'cause most plays were designed to get him to the edge where he was effective.  Lots of Roll Out passes and options.  I really believe after the injuries, TT was in a no win situation.  He is NOT a pocket passer.  Too short and too funky of a delivery.  I think the refusal to run, either by the staff or the player, doomed TT after his Soph year.  Yet, he was still one of the Top Two QBs all time at Ohio.  Good luck to him.

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Posted: 12/25/2013 11:42 PM
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Loved Tyler and his heart. Good luck young man and thanks for the memories!


Honest question...when did you see this heart displayed? I can think of many more times that this team crumbled under pressure the last few years than when we mounted an amazing comeback. The peak of his career was the 2011 Potato Bowl and 2012 Penn State/Marshall. After that Marshall game in 2012, it was all downhill for one reason or another.

Again, I'm not saying that he didn't try or was tanking games. But I don't feel that he was giving 100% effort in the mental (preparation, film, etc.) part of the game. Nor were many other players, and perhaps coaches.

I've said before and will say it again: If you're not busting your @ss EVERY DAY to get better and committing yourself to the program, you should be gone. Player, coach, manager, equipment staff...same goes for all of them.
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Posted: 12/26/2013 2:27 AM
Still say a player can be very good but if not playing in a system that suits him he doesn't succeed as well as he could have.  I really think the loss of the running option and getting TT out of the pocket more doomed him.
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Posted: 12/26/2013 6:14 AM
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Still say a player can be very good but if not playing in a system that suits him he doesn't succeed as well as he could have. I really think the loss of the running option and getting TT out of the pocket more doomed him.
"doomed" To what? I am sure he accomplished more than he expected out of high school, more than I expected, to the three best seasons any QB has had at Ohio. If he disappointed you, that is your problem. His body of work will stand in Ohio's history without *. Without him Ohio might not have the bowl games or signature wins, then you could really have things to be disappointed about. "Doomed" is you, who seem to be forever disappointed.

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Posted: 12/26/2013 11:22 AM
Dumb things pop in my head. This is one of them, as I thought about this the last few weeks.

I think we all grow up wanting to be Jefferson. We're going to speak six languages and write the Declaration and design our own house and obsessively write a diary about the weather. Maybe spend a few years in Paris with an impossibly cool fun-magnet like Ben Franklin and vibe-killing John Adams in a buddy-comedy existence. And then we figure out that's not going to happen and hone the few skills we have.

I just feel like Tettleton tried to become the renaissance quarterback and didn't have enough time, and at times didn't have the skillset, to pull it off. That probably has nothing to do with effort or heart or intelligence. It's just trying to become a complete quarterback and not quite getting there.
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Posted: 12/27/2013 9:28 AM
Many of the negative things I'm reading in this thread are the kinds of things that I would expect to hear from Bobcats who only decided to go "all in" as fans sometime after Frank was chosen as the coach and probably wholly only after seeing the success of TT's sophomore year.  While I don't agree, it's OK.  I blame the success of the program since that time as raising expectations to the point where it seems appropriate to write stinging personal criticism of one of the finest players Ohio has ever produced.  Pete said it best, if the last couple year's disappointment are the worst thing a fan has to experience, I'll take it.

Sincere thanks to Tyler Tettleton and the rest of this year's seniors for bringing us to the point where analysis of your play brings out the worst in the vastly expanded OU fan base.
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Posted: 12/27/2013 11:17 AM
Nobody doubts that FS and Co have taken OHIO football to heighths never seen in the modern era.  Now that we are consistently decent the question has become: Can this staff win a MAC Championship?  Contrary to what others say, that is why we are in this league...to win it...not to be a middle of the pack teram.  Division titles are nice and they pretty much guarantee Bowls but seriously, is it too much to ask for ONE MAC Championship in nine years? 
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Posted: 12/27/2013 11:29 AM
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Nobody doubts that FS and Co have taken OHIO football to heighths never seen in the modern era.  Now that we are consistently decent the question has become: Can this staff win a MAC Championship?  Contrary to what others say, that is why we are in this league...to win it...not to be a middle of the pack teram.  Division titles are nice and they pretty much guarantee Bowls but seriously, is it too much to ask for ONE MAC Championship in nine years? 


Solich's goal when he came to Ohio was to make us competitive.  He's done that.  A decade ago we wouldn't be disappointed with a 7-6, 4-4 year.  His goal now is to win the MAC championship.  This staff can do it by being less predictable.  We saw some of that Monday -- Vick's TD toss, the onside kick and a few other things.  The play that killed us Monday -- the TD toss to ECU's QB -- was something WE were doing two years ago.  We need to get back to being more imaginative in our play calling.
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