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Rowdy Rufus
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Posted: 2/25/2014 11:01 AM
Curious to know if the banners hanging around Peden and the graphic on the websites will be changed to reflect current players.    As much as I loved what the previous players have done to pave the way I would find it a bit hard to swallow if I were the Bobcats next QB and had to look at TT's hanging on the side of the stadium.  

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I'm not trying to slight those players but wonder if the school has the budget to make those kinds of updates from year to year.    

Website change are easy.  Stadium banners may be a bit more difficult.  

I guess it's a fine line of respecting history without dwelling on the past....  

 
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Posted: 2/25/2014 11:12 AM
I think they should go for some of the new and some of the old.  And, to me, old just doesn't mean two seasons ago.  How about one banner with a player from one of the great teams of the 1960s?  My vote would be for Todd Snyder.  Cleve would be deserving, too, except for his off-the-field activities that finally got him fired at Texas.  O$U  has statues of Chick Harley and Woody "Punch 'em out" Hayes, to name a few.  We should be proud of our history, too.  We even had a black QB back around 1900.  I've seem him in old team photos.  Why not have an artist make a drawing of him in action as one of the banners.  A university historian should check it out, but I think we can make the claim that he was the first African American QB in the country.  If so, put that on the banner.  At the very least, he was one of the first.  We could qualify the claim as necessary. 
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Posted: 2/25/2014 12:07 PM
OCF:  Anthony Thornton would be the African American Quarterback you are thinking of.  AT, should be in the OHIO HoF, however for whatever reason there seems in my opinion to be a bias against football.  AT was the 2nd QB in the history of NCAA to rush for 1,000+ and throw for 5,000+
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Posted: 2/25/2014 1:28 PM
Thornton played after Cleve! The post referred to 1900, not the '80's or '90's.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 1:32 PM
Did we even have camera's in the 1900's....I need to start using the bi-focal part of my glasses evidently.  However, I still believe AT should be an OHIO Hall of Famer
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:06 PM
Surprised to see the 5,000 yards passing figure for AT.  He was a dynamic QB…but I distinctly recall Cleve (his head coach) telling media that we was limited in number of passes per game because of propensity to throw picks.  And I do remember a ton of picks.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:39 PM
Yes, I agree about AT, JCW.   But, I was talking about a much earlier time.  Somewhere around here I have the guy's name.  The only photo I think that exists of him, as far as I know, is one where he is seated with his team mates for a team photo in 1903.  

Edit: OK, I found it.  His name is Arthur D. Carr (1885-1966).  He was the QB on the Ohio team in '03 and '04.  He graduated in '05.  He as an Athens native and graduated from Athens High School in 1902.  I have a copy of the team photo in a book that I could scan and place here, but the quality won't be too great. 

 
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Posted: 2/25/2014 5:16 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Surprised to see the 5,000 yards passing figure for AT.  He was a dynamic QB…but I distinctly recall Cleve (his head coach) telling media that we was limited in number of passes per game because of propensity to throw picks.  And I do remember a ton of picks.

Hmm, not too limited, it seems, as he still holds the Ohio record for most passes attempted, at 889. 84 more than either TT or Sammy Shon. Of those he completed 408, by the way, 3d in Ohio history, for 5,199 yards, also good for third. He threw 40 picks along the way, 2d behind Shon, and 17 TDs, good for eleventh. His pass efficiency comes out about 92, which was probably not bad for the time.

Cue the son/daughter of Thornton to post "OMG, my dad was the best player ever".
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Posted: 2/25/2014 5:48 PM
Ohio Football Team 1903

You can see Arthur Carr in the back row.  According to "A Significant Presence: A Pictorial Glimpse of the Black Experience in Athens County, Ohio," by Ada Woodson Adams & Nancy E. Aiken, Carr was an Athens native and his family once owned part of the property where Peden Stadium is now located.  This same source says that he was the QB in '03 and '04 and that after graduating from Ohio in 1905 Carr attended Howard University Medical School and graduated in 1912.  He was then reported to have been a medical professor at Howard for about 45 years and a prominent black physician in the Washington, D.C., area.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 6:18 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
You can see Arthur Carr in the back row. According to "A Significant Presence: A Pictorial Glimpse of the Black Experience in Athens County, Ohio," by Ada Woodson Adams & Nancy E. Aiken, Carr was an Athens native and his family once owned part of the property where Peden Stadium is now located. This same source says that he was the QB in '03 and '04 and that after graduating from Ohio Carr attended Howard University Medical School and graduated in 1912. He was then reported to have been a medical professor at Howard for about 45 years and a prominent black physician in the Washington, D.C., area.
Great story. Reminds me of this one: I grew up in Shelby which until recent decades was lilly white. BUT, back in the first decade of the 1900s, a black named Charles Follis starred for Shelby's professional team - the Blues.

Follis lived in a house on Oak Street, and his roommate and teammate was a young fellow named Branch Rickey. Yep, the same Rickey who in the late '40s brought Jackie Robinson to MLB. I've often wondered if or to what extent Rickey's having played and roomed with Follis might have influenced his decision re Robinson.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 6:40 PM
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You can see Arthur Carr in the back row. According to "A Significant Presence: A Pictorial Glimpse of the Black Experience in Athens County, Ohio," by Ada Woodson Adams & Nancy E. Aiken, Carr was an Athens native and his family once owned part of the property where Peden Stadium is now located. This same source says that he was the QB in '03 and '04 and that after graduating from Ohio Carr attended Howard University Medical School and graduated in 1912. He was then reported to have been a medical professor at Howard for about 45 years and a prominent black physician in the Washington, D.C., area.


Great story. Reminds me of this one: I grew up in Shelby which until recent decades was lilly white. BUT, back in the first decade of the 1900s, a black named Charles Follis starred for Shelby's professional team - the Blues.

Follis lived in a house on Oak Street, and his roommate and teammate was a young fellow named Branch Rickey. Yep, the same Rickey who in the late '40s brought Jackie Robinson to MLB. I've often wondered if or to what extent Rickey's having played and roomed with Follis might have influenced his decision re Robinson.

Thanks for the story; and yes, I think it quite plausible that that experience was a key influence on Rickey's decision to play Jackie Robinson.  Of course, the fact that Rickey had a strong religious belief in the equality of the races is probably why he was agreeable to be Follis roommate in the first place.  (BTW, my wife's sixth grade teacher was Branch Rickey's niece.)  Those kinds of personal interactions are what it often takes to break down racial prejudice.  In the Late Rebellion it was not uncommon for soldiers to have ephiphanies.  One of the most dramatic being by General Benjamin Butler who after viewing a battlefield strewn with black bodies dedicated the rest of his life to black equality not only in the military but in civil society after the war as member of Congress.

 
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Posted: 2/25/2014 6:43 PM
A quick google search and nothing definitive came up with a school claiming to have had the 1st African American Quarterback. The Athletic department should do some research and then stake the claim. Two traditional Black Colleges played a game in 1892. Interesting story to pursue.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 10:22 PM
I think we are talking about Kareem Wilson?  Anthony Thornton's stats were not very good. AT started four years and the team won 7 games during that span.  It was not his fault.  However, I don't think he belongs in the hall of fame.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 10:31 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
You can see Arthur Carr in the back row. According to "A Significant Presence: A Pictorial Glimpse of the Black Experience in Athens County, Ohio," by Ada Woodson Adams & Nancy E. Aiken, Carr was an Athens native and his family once owned part of the property where Peden Stadium is now located. This same source says that he was the QB in '03 and '04 and that after graduating from Ohio Carr attended Howard University Medical School and graduated in 1912. He was then reported to have been a medical professor at Howard for about 45 years and a prominent black physician in the Washington, D.C., area.


Great story. Reminds me of this one: I grew up in Shelby which until recent decades was lilly white. BUT, back in the first decade of the 1900s, a black named Charles Follis starred for Shelby's professional team - the Blues.

Follis lived in a house on Oak Street, and his roommate and teammate was a young fellow named Branch Rickey. Yep, the same Rickey who in the late '40s brought Jackie Robinson to MLB. I've often wondered if or to what extent Rickey's having played and roomed with Follis might have influenced his decision re Robinson.


Thanks for the story; and yes, I think it quite plausible that that experience was a key influence on Rickey's decision to play Jackie Robinson. Of course, the fact that Rickey had a strong religious belief in the equality of the races is probably why he was agreeable to be Follis roommate in the first place. (BTW, my wife's sixth grade teacher was Branch Rickey's niece.) Those kinds of personal interactions are what it often takes to break down racial prejudice. In the Late Rebellion it was not uncommon for soldiers to have ephiphanies. One of the most dramatic being by General Benjamin Butler who after viewing a battlefield strewn with black bodies dedicated the rest of his life to black equality not only in the military but in civil society after the war as member of Congress.
Displayed in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton is a photo of Follis carrying the ball for Shelby. That same photo appears in a hard cover history of Shelby football, copies of which are housed in the HOF's library.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 12:36 PM
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I think they should go for some of the new and some of the old.  And, to me, old just doesn't mean two seasons ago.  How about one banner with a player from one of the great teams of the 1960s?  My vote would be for Todd Snyder.  Cleve would be deserving, too, except for his off-the-field activities that finally got him fired at Texas.  O$U  has statues of Chick Harley and Woody "Punch 'em out" Hayes, to name a few.  We should be proud of our history, too.  We even had a black QB back around 1900.  I've seem him in old team photos.  Why not have an artist make a drawing of him in action as one of the banners.  A university historian should check it out, but I think we can make the claim that he was the first African American QB in the country.  If so, put that on the banner.  At the very least, he was one of the first.  We could qualify the claim as necessary. 

That would be a great idea

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