Ohio Football Topic
Topic: Student Attendance across the NCAA
Page: 1 of 1
sargentfan
General User
S
Member Since: 3/17/2005
Post Count: 917
person
mail
sargentfan
mail
Posted: 2/17/2014 3:23 PM
Interesting article from ESPN about the subject of student attendance across NCAA schools, of course mainly about the auto qualifiers.

espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10458047/next-generation-ticket-holder-concern-students-show-college-football-games
Athens
General User
A
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 5,454
person
mail
Athens
mail
Posted: 2/17/2014 6:15 PM
The drop they are talking about in student attendance and no shows at those Big Ten is not that extreme. A lot of students are fine with making one football game a year. Ohio doesn't charge for student tickets and the students are right behind the home bench. Its an open market for the entertainment dollar when anyone at the click of a button on the smartphone find 20 other things going on locally that weekend. Whatever is going on can't just be okay it has to be GREAT to get people showing up. Ohio has done a good job at developing the game day atmosphere to the point were it feels likes your attending a pro baseball game. I don't know who else in the MAC who has the nice intimate but exciting football atmosphere. Kent State games maybe.
Ozcat
General User
Member Since: 1/4/2005
Location: Gahanna, OH
Post Count: 820
mail
Ozcat
mail
Posted: 2/19/2014 5:02 PM
Full breakdown of attendance, per the NCAA.

Link
C Money
General User
Member Since: 8/28/2010
Post Count: 3,420
mail
C Money
mail
Posted: 2/19/2014 5:18 PM
Eleven D-III teams average more in attendance than Eastern Michigan.
DallasCat
General User
DC
Member Since: 4/23/2013
Location: TX
Post Count: 81
person
mail
DallasCat
mail
Posted: 2/19/2014 6:39 PM
Wow EMU sucks. Would not mind a bit if we replaced them with Old Dominion (half joking) whose currently Independent in Football,C-USA in basketball.

For easiest MAC comparison:

Buffalo 22,736
Ohio 20,672
No. Ill 20,669
Toledo 18,467
Akron 17,850
West Mich 17,347
Kent 17,018
Miami 15,935
Umass 15,830
Bowling Green 15,258
Ball St 15,131
Cent. Mich 13,224
East Mich. 4,051
   
Average 16,476
Average w/o EMU 17,511
L.C.
General User
LC
Member Since: 9/1/2005
Post Count: 10,584
person
mail
L.C.
mail
Posted: 2/19/2014 6:44 PM
EMU has a nice stadium, too, and great parking, though I'm told that if as many as 8,000 showed up, the lots would overflow, but that never happens...

I gather it's primarily a commuter school, and the students aren't around on weekends, and that hurts their attendence.
Speaker of Truth
General User
ST
Member Since: 1/26/2011
Post Count: 448
person
mail
Speaker of Truth
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 10:28 AM
http://learfieldsports.com/2014/02/img-learfield-ticket-s.../



Pretty Impressive by Akron.  Akron drawing well is great for the MAC.

 
Mike Johnson
General User
Member Since: 11/11/2004
Location: North Canton, OH
Post Count: 1,756
mail
Mike Johnson
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 12:54 PM
the123kid wrote:expand_more
http://learfieldsports.com/2014/02/img-learfield-ticket-s.../



Pretty Impressive by Akron. Akron drawing well is great for the MAC.
Nice that Akron is selling more tickets. But more fans in Infocision seats? I might have seen larger crowds at Walsh U games (transitioning from NAIA to NCAA Div. II).
catfan28
General User
C28
Member Since: 6/11/2011
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 1,503
person
mail
catfan28
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 4:26 PM
Akron just lies through their teeth. There's no one at the games. They claim 20,000 in attendance when there are literally 2,000 people there.

And don't give me the "tickets sold" crap. You're telling me 1 out of every 10 fans that purchase a ticket actually come? That's total BS!
L.C.
General User
LC
Member Since: 9/1/2005
Post Count: 10,584
person
mail
L.C.
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 5:35 PM
In order to remain FBS, over rolling 2 year periods, each school has to be able to show an average attendance of 15,000 at home games, or every other year they need to actually be over 15,000 average for that year. To accomplish that they get some business to buy up huge blocks of tickets, say 10,000 per game (at a steep discount, naturally), and then the business can do with the tickets as they see fit - donate them to charities, hand them out on street corners, flush them, whatever. Then the school, using the "tickets sold" method of reporting attendance shows >15k per game. Perhaps Akron was up to that this year. Looking specifically at Akron's numbers, the average was 17,850, and last year the average was 9,275.  That makes their two-year average 13,562, still not enough to be in compliance, using the 2-year average method, but since one year is over 15,000, they should be OK, if I understand the rule.

UMass for sure had that problem in 2013. Note that, even 90 miles from campus, they amazingly managed to average just barely over 15,000, avoiding probation....but, how many were really at the games? I doubt it was close to that.

As for EMU, I don't know how they aren't on probation for this already. 2012 was even worse than 2013, and EMU averaged only 3,923 at games. Why is EMU even trying to be FBS? According to this article, every other year, EMU sells thousands of tickets to Pepsi at $3 each to maintain its status. In 2010 they apparently sold Pepsi over 50,000 tickets. Unlike the other schools, however, they must report the real attendance in their box scores, but send the inflated numbers including the sales to Pepsi to the NCAA.
Last Edited: 2/20/2014 6:05:24 PM by L.C.
Casper71
General User
C71
Member Since: 12/1/2006
Post Count: 3,237
person
mail
Casper71
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 5:59 PM
EMU pretends to be FBS because the MAC is an enabler and the Presidents of the member schools do not have the you know whats to get rid of them.  They are an embarasment.
shabamon
General User
Member Since: 11/17/2006
Location: Cincinnati
Post Count: 7,316
mail
shabamon
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 6:02 PM
What exactly is the benefit for these businesses in buying thousands of tickets that will ultimately go unused?
L.C.
General User
LC
Member Since: 9/1/2005
Post Count: 10,584
person
mail
L.C.
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 7:00 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
What exactly is the benefit for these businesses in buying thousands of tickets that will ultimately go unused?

If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say that Pepsi has the concession for the EMU games, and the price for that concession is underpriced by, oh, perhaps $150,000, coincidentally what Pepsi "paid" for tickets.
L.C.
General User
LC
Member Since: 9/1/2005
Post Count: 10,584
person
mail
L.C.
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 7:24 PM
Five years of attendance numbers for the MAC:

         2013     2012     2011     2010     2009      Avg
Ohio    20,672   21,844   19,891   19,046   17,947   19,880
Toledo  18,467   20,552   22,157   19,333   16,285   19,359
NIU     20,669   20,877   15,209   17,760   14,889   17,881
WMU     17,347   14,579   19,985   14,255   20,330   17,299
CMU     13,244   16,036   15,291   20,448   19,702   16,940
Buffalo 22,736   13,242   15,890   12,981   15,960   16,162
Kent    17,018   17,880   11,587   16,152   15,512   15,630
Miami   15,935   15,333   16,174   15,519   11,810   14,954
BG      15,258   15,632   15,007   13,306   14,044   14,649
Akron   17,850    9,275   15,734   10,185   17,382   14,085
Ball St 15,131   12,930   15,064    8,947   10,888   12,592
EMU      4,051    3,923    4,267   15,885    5,016    6,628
UMass   15,830   10,901

A few of these schools have a suspicious pattern, falling well under 15k every other year, and then magically, in the alternate years, popping to just over the 15k minimum. Buffalo, until this year was like that, as was Akron, Ball State, and EMU. I suspect there is a whole lot of bulk ticket buying going on across the MAC, not just at EMU.

I also note that only two schools, Ohio and Toledo, have been safely over 15k every year, and that Ohio has had solid attendance every year, and is still growing, though 2013 was off a little. I suspect that years when they don't have a home game on the day after thanksgiving will have higher attendance than years when they do.
OhioCatFan
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 15,699
mail
OhioCatFan
mail
Posted: 2/20/2014 8:42 PM
As far as I know this attendance requirement has never been enforced.  I remember several years ago hearing that the NCAA was afraid to try and enforce it because of they feared a negative backlash and there were some NCAA lawyers advising against it for unspecified legal reasons. 
Showing Messages: 1 - 15 of 15
MAC News Links



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)