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Posted: 3/21/2014 6:34 PM
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As President.

I know we discussed this in a basketball chat a couple weeks ago, but it is now official that Tressel has put his name in the running to be Akron's next President.

He is one of 19 candidates, but my bet is he is the guy. It has been building to this for awhile.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 9:51 AM
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Wonder what rules a MAC member university president can bend/break and try to get away without penalty?



 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 1:11 PM
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Tressell claims in an article that all his years in college athletics makes him a good candidate for the position. That's like me saying that because I'm a taxpayer, I ought to be the head of the IRS.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:03 PM
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He will be TOSU president one day.  Mark it down.  TOSU supporters are completely delusional.  They live in an alternate universe.  
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Posted: 3/22/2014 9:05 PM
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He's after the job and all its vest-ments.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 9:41 PM
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Tressell claims in an article that all his years in college athletics makes him a good candidate for the position. That's like me saying that because I'm a taxpayer, I ought to be the head of the IRS.


Also, you spent 3 years in prison for tax evasion and perjury,
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Posted: 3/23/2014 8:43 PM
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Great move by Akron. Tressel is a stand up guy. The NCAA is obnoxious and he is certainly not the villain they make him out to be. I've heard only good things about him. I'd love to have him in Athens.
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Posted: 3/23/2014 10:52 PM
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Great move by Akron. Tressel is a stand up guy. The NCAA is obnoxious and he is certainly not the villain they make him out to be. I've heard only good things about him. I'd love to have him in Athens.

My sarcasm alarm just went off.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 6:47 AM
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Posted: 3/24/2014 5:41 PM
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I'm completely serious.  I think The Vest is a great hire.  Great Coach, Great Leader, Great Guy, from what I have been told.


If you can give me a good reason to think otherwise I will be happy to hear it.  

 
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the123kid wrote:expand_more
I'm completely serious.  I think The Vest is a great hire.  Great Coach, Great Leader, Great Guy, from what I have been told.


If you can give me a good reason to think otherwise I will be happy to hear it.  

 

You mean other than lying to both his employer and the ncaa to keep his star players eligible?  And other than getting his university slapped with a failure to monitor finding and bowl ban?

Great Leader, Great Guy, indeed.

 
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Posted: 3/24/2014 9:22 PM
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The odd thing about the "nice guy" argument is that it isn't like the evidence isn't there at both Youngstown State and OSU, or that the charges are disputed. The only real argument to the contrary is the argument that he took the fall to save the program, and that the problems at OSU were much broader and deeper than what was exposed.
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Posted: 3/25/2014 10:20 AM
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Nothing wrong with protecting your players in the face of an absurd rule.  Is what he did worse than what Frank did in his first year?  I would take covering up Tats over a DUI any day of the week.....
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Posted: 3/25/2014 12:14 PM
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Nothing wrong with protecting your players in the face of an absurd rule.  Is what he did worse than what Frank did in his first year?  I would take covering up Tats over a DUI any day of the week.....


What about protecting the program in the face of almost certain NCAA sanctions? Because of his lies (and Gene Smith's arrogance/stupidity), osu lost an opportunity to play for a national championship. Absurd or not, the rules are the rules.
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I'll probably piss a bunch of people off here, but I noticed this whole phenomenon during the original scandal.  And that's alums and fans of Ohio and other Ohio MAC programs who hate Ohio State passionately in all areas, curiously defending Tressel.  I think it has to do with his long history of wearing his religion on his sleeve and shamelessly self-promoting his religiosity.  I think some religious people--who hate Ohio State in every other way--have a blind spot towards Tressel because he's one of them.

In any case, he broke the rules.  He signed his name to statements he knew to be false.  He lied to the NCAA, and he lied to Ohio State.  Those were his decisions, and what the player infractions were is irrelevant.  And does anyone really think that Tressel would have risked everything if those five players had all been scout teamers?  The man is a slick con artist who cheated to keep his five star players eligible in what was supposed to be a national championship run season.  
All that aside, no university who names a football coach (even a non-disgraced one) with no education beyond a Masters in Phys Ed to be President is an absolute joke.

 
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Posted: 3/25/2014 12:43 PM
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the123kid wrote:expand_more
Nothing wrong with protecting your players in the face of an absurd rule.  Is what he did worse than what Frank did in his first year?  I would take covering up Tats over a DUI any day of the week.....

I don't think anyone thinks either is desirable, but it does make for an interesting contrast: For one coach, with no history of violations you have an unplanned event that left him employed, but on permanent probation. For the other, who had a history of prior violations, you have an action that was contemplated and deliberate. While he was forced to be fired by outside forces, he apparently remains highly sought after despite both the incidents at YSU and OSU.

To me there are only two plausible explanations. One is his higher winning percentage. The other is that there may be a perception among OSU fans that there are actually lots more violations going on at OSU, and that Tressel deserves special treatment because he "took one for the team", and saved the program from worse penalties.

OUPride wrote:expand_more
... IAll that aside, no university who names a football coach (even a non-disgraced one) with no education beyond a Masters in Phys Ed to be President is an absolute joke.

Even if he dresses well?
Last Edited: 3/25/2014 12:45:39 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 3/25/2014 12:59 PM
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He will be TOSU president one day.  Mark it down.  TOSU supporters are completely delusional.  They live in an alternate universe.  

Seriously, that's ridiculous.  They're an AAU university, not Akron or YSU.  They just hired a President who had been a Chancellor at a University of California campus.  Do you really think their board and faculty would bring in the disgraced, former football coach that they had to fire, with that huge endowment and nearly a billion dollars in annual research funding at stake?

I know many Ohio State alums, and only one openly supported Tressel during the scandal.  The vast majority wanted him fired and would be utterly embarrassed if his name was even brought up for the President's job.  The teeming masses of t-shirt alumni, to whom beating Michigan is all that gives meaning to their lives, are another story, but do you really think the OSU board and faculty take their feelings into consideration one iota? 

 
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Posted: 3/25/2014 9:19 PM
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The 2 biggest responsibilities of a university president are to set overall strategy and to be a massive fundraiser.  Kinda like, you know, a football coach.  Doesn't sound so far fetched to me...
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Posted: 3/26/2014 12:25 AM
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Doctorate degrees in education shouldn't hold a ton of weight. He has the skill set to run an organization. He did it successfully for a long time at OSU. If Frank left today, who would want tressel as our head coach? Saying the scandal should blemish his whole reputation is absurd. Classic case of sitting on a pedestool and hypocritically judging. I hate OSU but would love the best in athens.

I also agree with the religious statement. However it can also work the opposite. Religious people can think they are the moral high ground, and judge others actions.
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Posted: 3/26/2014 6:33 AM
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the123kid wrote:expand_more
Doctorate degrees in education shouldn't hold a ton of weight. He has the skill set to run an organization. He did it successfully for a long time at OSU. If Frank left today, who would want tressel as our head coach? Saying the scandal should blemish his whole reputation is absurd. Classic case of sitting on a pedestool and hypocritically judging. I hate OSU but would love the best in athens.

I also agree with the religious statement. However it can also work the opposite. Religious people can think they are the moral high ground, and judge others actions.


Tressel was the one posing for holy pictures with his books about making good moral decisions. Yet he repeatedly turned a blind eye (Ray Isaac and Mickey Monus at YSU; Clarrett and TatGate at OSU) to bad decisions/behavior when they worked in his favor.  If you're looking for a hypocrite, he's right in front of you.


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the123kid wrote:expand_more
Doctorate degrees in education shouldn't hold a ton of weight. He has the skill set to run an organization. He did it successfully for a long time at OSU. If Frank left today, who would want tressel as our head coach? Saying the scandal should blemish his whole reputation is absurd. Classic case of sitting on a pedestool and hypocritically judging. I hate OSU but would love the best in athens.

I also agree with the religious statement. However it can also work the opposite. Religious people can think they are the moral high ground, and judge others actions.

Very few university Presidents have a Doctorate in education.  They almost invariably have Doctorates in traditional academic disciplines such as Physics or History and have come up through the ranks as faculty members, committee chairs, department chairs, Deans, VPs of Research and Provosts.  Running a football program is not running a university.  He's no more qualified to do the latter than a History professor is qualified to run the football program.  Let Akron name him President.  It'll just expose them to the world for the joke that they are.

The scandal should blemish his whole reputation.  It's not like there wasn't plenty of smoke at YSU also.  He lied to the NCAA.  He lied to his university.  He signed his name to documents that he knew to be false.  He condoned the breaking of NCAA rules to keep his star players eligible.  He ended up getting his university wrapped up in a humiliating national scandal and subsequently slapped with probation.  He might be the best on the field, but his actions have shown that he is far from the best off the field, regardless of what his ridiculous books might have said.

 
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I think the funniest thing about the whole Tressel love fest across the state is that people are so blind to the "nice guy" persona. Ok, so he's soft spoken and makes great speeches and says all the things you wanna hear. Oh and he wears a sweater vest that makes him look all clean cut. And then he brings up religion and makes you feel warm and safe in your little cocoon. That doesn't mean he's a great person or great leader. Heck, behind closed doors when the cameras are off, guys like that could be doing any number of things that would tarnish their reputations. The same thing happened to Tressel. Multiple times. And the evidence is there to support it.
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Posted: 3/26/2014 5:08 PM
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the123kid wrote:expand_more
Nothing wrong with protecting your players in the face of an absurd rule.  Is what he did worse than what Frank did in his first year?  I would take covering up Tats over a DUI any day of the week.....


Wow. There's a statement just filled with logic and compassion. One guy tells multiple lies and engages in a cover up to save his program while the other has a personal problem, and you defend the guy in the cover up. Nice.
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Steve wrote:expand_more
Nothing wrong with protecting your players in the face of an absurd rule.  Is what he did worse than what Frank did in his first year?  I would take covering up Tats over a DUI any day of the week.....


Wow. There's a statement just filled with logic and compassion. One guy tells multiple lies and engages in a cover up to save his program while the other has a personal problem, and you defend the guy in the cover up. Nice.


Not defending anyone or castigating blame as all of this is water long under the bridge but let's not forget the person w/ the personal problem could have really hurt someone.  Granted, that didn't happen, thankfully.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 8:47 PM
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Not defending anyone or castigating blame as all of this is water long under the bridge but let's not forget the person w/ the personal problem could have really hurt someone.  Granted, that didn't happen, thankfully.

Don't forget that in this comparison, the person with the personal problem held on to his job, but remains on permanent probation, while the person with the track record of integrity issues moved up after the first issue from YSU to OSU, and then for the second issue was fired only because it was required by the NCAA, and is now apparently being considered for even higher positions.

If Tressel was still at YSU, but on probation from YSU because of the violations, it would be comparable to what happened to Solich, and no one would be saying anything. Since Solich remains on permanent probation with Ohio University we can conclude that off-the-field issues do matter to Ohio. Since the integrity issues have not held Tressel back, we can presume that integrity is not something that concerns some people, and that winning is more important to those people.
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