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  1. OUr Donor Hole: I don't believe I would be betraying the confidence of a former development officer if I shared some insight that was passed along to me that can explain our particular void of donor support for ICA.  If you deep dive our potential donor base, there is a precise, 25 year void of significant donors in an age range of people that were in their undergrad years between Alden and Glidden.  It also exists to a lesser extent in the general fundraising efforts.  As we all know, those were the dark years for OHIO Football, and I am certain many of you know OHIO grads from that era that make significant financial contributions to the evil empire.  This 25 year void of engagement of people with high donor potential in their peak contributing years can be traced directly back to when we saw little institutional support for ICA, and our present fundraising efforts are having to play catch up to fill that generational void. 
I can add independent confirmation of this ICA "donor hole."  There are some innovative ideas about how to get around this "hole" that have been discussed from time to time.  


Back in the 70s and 80's Ohio only had 14 or 15 thousand students so many probably thought of it as a smaller school. The football program at the time was marginally in Division 1 and so was the MAC. That is why there is a fly over mentality toward the athletic department in that generation. The alumni at Ohio have more of a work hard, play hard mentality and always trying to move onto the next thing. If you grow up in the South your fan allegiance is like a religion. There are friends I know also who are into these very developed hobbies or a recreational sport to the point where they don't have time to follow anything. I'm not as super focused on one thing in my social life and open minded when it comes to my entertainment dollar. I spend more money on museums and theater than what I do sporting events. Interested in civic things and what is going on outside of my bubble. Alums I know are trying to push into the best bubble they can according to self actualization roadmap and closed to things not on the map. I see it changing with today's Bobcat generation where people are more open minded and the The Optimist reflects the modern attitude which is conducive to improving fan support.
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When I went to Ohio as a freshman, sports certainly didn't factor into my choice.  Indeed, through my first two years of high school, my dream was to go to Arizona State and play baseball.  I'd even worked out a plan with an uncle in Arizona to move there, live with him for a year to establish residence and then try out for ASU baseball as a walk-on.  Then during my junior year of high school, I was made a delegate to Buckeye Boys State which at the time Ohio was hosting.

While at Boys State I heard about Ohio's J-school.  One afternoon I walked to the basement of Copeland Hall, then home to the J-school.  I asked a receptionist if I could speak with someone about the school.  Minutes later I was seated across from the J-School director, Lorin Horton.  He really put on a sell-job.  Told me that the school was the first in the nation to be accredited in five sequences.  He sold me.

Soooo, in September of '63 I arrived in Athens with no rooting interest in Bobcat sports.  In fact I was more interested in intramurals.  Two days after arriving on campus I was recruited to player-coach a Gam Hall team.  But then football season began and my Ohio fandom began taking root.  Ohio won the MAC!  Then basketball season got rolling and Ohio won the MAC and advanced to the NCAA Elite 8.  Then baseball and another title.  That was it!  I was hooked on Ohio sports - for life!
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I don't think the theory is that people consciously choose the school they go to because that school is active in sports, but rather that sports may be beneficial in a couple indirect ways:
1. When a school is on TV, more potential students become aware of that school, and consider going there
2. Sports help create a longer term tie, and closer connection to alums, who in turn, over their lifetime, end up visiting the school more often, and giving more money to the school, which in turn helps to increase the quality of the school, or helps fund scholarships, attracting good students to the school
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I don't think the theory is that people consciously choose the school they go to because that school is active in sports, but rather that sports may be beneficial in a couple indirect ways:
1. When a school is on TV, more potential students become aware of that school, and consider going there
2. Sports help create a longer term tie, and closer connection to alums, who in turn, over their lifetime, end up visiting the school more often, and giving more money to the school, which in turn helps to increase the quality of the school, or helps fund scholarships, attracting good students to the school

Having good D1 sports (the type you can see on TV) is great for the alumni and helps to give a school a positive vibe. Some could point to VT in football and UConn in basketball helping those schools improve their academic stature but knowing those states and campuses well I can tell you it had everything to do with being located in rising states and the price of private school tuition that drove many students into quality public schools. VT and UConn have backwoods campuses that limited their development in athletics for a long time. Even so I don't think their sports are strong enough to  make a serious impact in student recruitment. Virginia Tech and James Madison run about even in student profile though one school has ACC football and the other CAA. For Ohio State though it has such an elite athletic status that it does help attract students to the school. Students will go a semester just for the football tickets and then drop out by spring. I'm sure its a slight boost for admissions there. Private schools in AQ program receive more of a boost especially Notre Dame the traditionally most elite program. There was a time that Duke and Davidson were peers but Duke got into the ACC and it changed everything. Its very much a case by case basis and that is why the axioms you keep trying to promote are silly, Its conclusive that having good D1 sports raises alumni interest in going back to campus and attending games bringing money into the local economy. For the 30,000 different folks that walk through Peden Stadium on a given year including 10,000 students I'm not convinced it boosts academic giving appreciably. There are maybe 2,000 members of the Bobcat Club. How many are going beyond that and donating to academics? Then how many of those Bobcat Club members would be donating to academics without the sports lead in? There is more passion for donating to the department that you graduated from by alumni than donating for athletics at Ohio. Its more likely that alumni become motivated to attend the games after donating to the colleges for a while. 

 
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I think in a few outlier cases, it's not even indirect. There are people who go to Ohio State simply because of the football team and the gameday experience. I think most SEC schools are to that point where a portion of their enrollment is football based, as well. Obviously, the student then finds other great things about the schools after getting there, but I think some programs are so magnetic that they can increase enrollment.
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When I went to Ohio as a freshman, sports certainly didn't factor into my choice. Indeed, through my first two years of high school, my dream was to go to Arizona State and play baseball. I'd even worked out a plan with an uncle in Arizona to move there, live with him for a year to establish residence and then try out for ASU baseball as a walk-on. Then during my junior year of high school, I was made a delegate to Buckeye Boys State which at the time Ohio was hosting.

While at Boys State I heard about Ohio's J-school. One afternoon I walked to the basement of Copeland Hall, then home to the J-school. I asked a receptionist if I could speak with someone about the school. Minutes later I was seated across from the J-School director, Lorin Horton. He really put on a sell-job. Told me that the school was the first in the nation to be accredited in five sequences. He sold me.

Soooo, in September of '63 I arrived in Athens with no rooting interest in Bobcat sports. In fact I was more interested in intramurals. Two days after arriving on campus I was recruited to player-coach a Gam Hall team. But then football season began and my Ohio fandom began taking root. Ohio won the MAC! Then basketball season got rolling and Ohio won the MAC and advanced to the NCAA Elite 8. Then baseball and another title. That was it! I was hooked on Ohio sports - for life!

Everything sounds good except your being a Gam guy instead of a Washington hall guy.
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When I went to Ohio as a freshman, sports certainly didn't factor into my choice. Indeed, through my first two years of high school, my dream was to go to Arizona State and play baseball. I'd even worked out a plan with an uncle in Arizona to move there, live with him for a year to establish residence and then try out for ASU baseball as a walk-on. Then during my junior year of high school, I was made a delegate to Buckeye Boys State which at the time Ohio was hosting.

While at Boys State I heard about Ohio's J-school. One afternoon I walked to the basement of Copeland Hall, then home to the J-school. I asked a receptionist if I could speak with someone about the school. Minutes later I was seated across from the J-School director, Lorin Horton. He really put on a sell-job. Told me that the school was the first in the nation to be accredited in five sequences. He sold me.

Soooo, in September of '63 I arrived in Athens with no rooting interest in Bobcat sports. In fact I was more interested in intramurals. Two days after arriving on campus I was recruited to player-coach a Gam Hall team. But then football season began and my Ohio fandom began taking root. Ohio won the MAC! Then basketball season got rolling and Ohio won the MAC and advanced to the NCAA Elite 8. Then baseball and another title. That was it! I was hooked on Ohio sports - for life!

Everything sounds good except your being a Gam guy instead of a Washington hall guy.
Hmmm...In the 1960s, did Washington Hall have its own radio station? Did Washington Hall have a glee club that won Torch Sing - three years running? Did Washington Hall have Saturday Morning Mixers with girls' dorms and sororities welcoming invitations? Did Washington Hall have...oh well, you get the picture - at least as it existed back then. :-)
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When I went to Ohio as a freshman, sports certainly didn't factor into my choice. Indeed, through my first two years of high school, my dream was to go to Arizona State and play baseball. I'd even worked out a plan with an uncle in Arizona to move there, live with him for a year to establish residence and then try out for ASU baseball as a walk-on. Then during my junior year of high school, I was made a delegate to Buckeye Boys State which at the time Ohio was hosting.

While at Boys State I heard about Ohio's J-school. One afternoon I walked to the basement of Copeland Hall, then home to the J-school. I asked a receptionist if I could speak with someone about the school. Minutes later I was seated across from the J-School director, Lorin Horton. He really put on a sell-job. Told me that the school was the first in the nation to be accredited in five sequences. He sold me.

Soooo, in September of '63 I arrived in Athens with no rooting interest in Bobcat sports. In fact I was more interested in intramurals. Two days after arriving on campus I was recruited to player-coach a Gam Hall team. But then football season began and my Ohio fandom began taking root. Ohio won the MAC! Then basketball season got rolling and Ohio won the MAC and advanced to the NCAA Elite 8. Then baseball and another title. That was it! I was hooked on Ohio sports - for life!

Everything sounds good except your being a Gam guy instead of a Washington hall guy.
Hmmm...In the 1960s, did Washington Hall have its own radio station? Did Washington Hall have a glee club that won Torch Sing - three years running? Did Washington Hall have Saturday Morning Mixers with girls' dorms and sororities welcoming invitations? Did Washington Hall have...oh well, you get the picture - at least as it existed back then. :-)

Not that I remember, but hey, Gam was the biggest, but there were a great bunch of guys in Washington. Great experience for 2 years.
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I don't think the theory is that people consciously choose the school they go to because that school is active in sports, but rather that sports may be beneficial in a couple indirect ways:
1. When a school is on TV, more potential students become aware of that school, and consider going there
2. Sports help create a longer term tie, and closer connection to alums, who in turn, over their lifetime, end up visiting the school more often, and giving more money to the school, which in turn helps to increase the quality of the school, or helps fund scholarships, attracting good students to the school

Having good D1 sports (the type you can see on TV) is great for the alumni and helps to give a school a positive vibe. Some could point to VT in football and UConn in basketball helping those schools improve their academic stature but knowing those states and campuses well I can tell you it had everything to do with being located in rising states and the price of private school tuition that drove many students into quality public schools. VT and UConn have backwoods campuses that limited their development in athletics for a long time. Even so I don't think their sports are strong enough to  make a serious impact in student recruitment. Virginia Tech and James Madison run about even in student profile though one school has ACC football and the other CAA. For Ohio State though it has such an elite athletic status that it does help attract students to the school. Students will go a semester just for the football tickets and then drop out by spring. I'm sure its a slight boost for admissions there. Private schools in AQ program receive more of a boost especially Notre Dame the traditionally most elite program. There was a time that Duke and Davidson were peers but Duke got into the ACC and it changed everything. Its very much a case by case basis and that is why the axioms you keep trying to promote are silly, Its conclusive that having good D1 sports raises alumni interest in going back to campus and attending games bringing money into the local economy. For the 30,000 different folks that walk through Peden Stadium on a given year including 10,000 students I'm not convinced it boosts academic giving appreciably. There are maybe 2,000 members of the Bobcat Club. How many are going beyond that and donating to academics? Then how many of those Bobcat Club members would be donating to academics without the sports lead in? There is more passion for donating to the department that you graduated from by alumni than donating for athletics at Ohio. Its more likely that alumni become motivated to attend the games after donating to the colleges for a while. 

 


bobcat club giving and membership is a poor measure of financial support for athletics.  Certain seats in basketball and football require "membership"  and people have had their seats so long and they don't want to give them up and therefore pay the price.  Many of those "donors" would not be giving if they didn't have to.  My point is that our lack of financial support for athletics is much less than the pitiful state that many people say it is.  And to answer your other question, we also give to academics and the arts at OU as do many of our friends and colleagues.
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When I went to Ohio as a freshman, sports certainly didn't factor into my choice. Indeed, through my first two years of high school, my dream was to go to Arizona State and play baseball. I'd even worked out a plan with an uncle in Arizona to move there, live with him for a year to establish residence and then try out for ASU baseball as a walk-on. Then during my junior year of high school, I was made a delegate to Buckeye Boys State which at the time Ohio was hosting.

While at Boys State I heard about Ohio's J-school. One afternoon I walked to the basement of Copeland Hall, then home to the J-school. I asked a receptionist if I could speak with someone about the school. Minutes later I was seated across from the J-School director, Lorin Horton. He really put on a sell-job. Told me that the school was the first in the nation to be accredited in five sequences. He sold me.

Soooo, in September of '63 I arrived in Athens with no rooting interest in Bobcat sports. In fact I was more interested in intramurals. Two days after arriving on campus I was recruited to player-coach a Gam Hall team. But then football season began and my Ohio fandom began taking root. Ohio won the MAC! Then basketball season got rolling and Ohio won the MAC and advanced to the NCAA Elite 8. Then baseball and another title. That was it! I was hooked on Ohio sports - for life!

Everything sounds good except your being a Gam guy instead of a Washington hall guy.
Hmmm...In the 1960s, did Washington Hall have its own radio station? Did Washington Hall have a glee club that won Torch Sing - three years running? Did Washington Hall have Saturday Morning Mixers with girls' dorms and sororities welcoming invitations? Did Washington Hall have...oh well, you get the picture - at least as it existed back then. :-)
Not that I remember, but hey, Gam was the biggest, but there were a great bunch of guys in Washington. Great experience for 2 years.
I quite agree about some great guys in Washington. One was my friend Bob Witzel from Upper Sandusky. He and I had played against each other as high school footballers and baseballers. We were pleasantly surprised to bump into each other in the first few days in our freshman year. Bob went on to build a terrific career in business.
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I don't think the theory is that people consciously choose the school they go to because that school is active in sports, but rather that sports may be beneficial in a couple indirect ways:
1. When a school is on TV, more potential students become aware of that school, and consider going there
2. Sports help create a longer term tie, and closer connection to alums, who in turn, over their lifetime, end up visiting the school more often, and giving more money to the school, which in turn helps to increase the quality of the school, or helps fund scholarships, attracting good students to the school

Having good D1 sports (the type you can see on TV) is great for the alumni and helps to give a school a positive vibe. Some could point to VT in football and UConn in basketball helping those schools improve their academic stature but knowing those states and campuses well I can tell you it had everything to do with being located in rising states and the price of private school tuition that drove many students into quality public schools. VT and UConn have backwoods campuses that limited their development in athletics for a long time. Even so I don't think their sports are strong enough to  make a serious impact in student recruitment. Virginia Tech and James Madison run about even in student profile though one school has ACC football and the other CAA. For Ohio State though it has such an elite athletic status that it does help attract students to the school. Students will go a semester just for the football tickets and then drop out by spring. I'm sure its a slight boost for admissions there. Private schools in AQ program receive more of a boost especially Notre Dame the traditionally most elite program. There was a time that Duke and Davidson were peers but Duke got into the ACC and it changed everything. Its very much a case by case basis and that is why the axioms you keep trying to promote are silly, Its conclusive that having good D1 sports raises alumni interest in going back to campus and attending games bringing money into the local economy. For the 30,000 different folks that walk through Peden Stadium on a given year including 10,000 students I'm not convinced it boosts academic giving appreciably. There are maybe 2,000 members of the Bobcat Club. How many are going beyond that and donating to academics? Then how many of those Bobcat Club members would be donating to academics without the sports lead in? There is more passion for donating to the department that you graduated from by alumni than donating for athletics at Ohio. Its more likely that alumni become motivated to attend the games after donating to the colleges for a while. 

 


bobcat club giving and membership is a poor measure of financial support for athletics.  Certain seats in basketball and football require "membership"  and people have had their seats so long and they don't want to give them up and therefore pay the price.  Many of those "donors" would not be giving if they didn't have to.  My point is that our lack of financial support for athletics is much less than the pitiful state that many people say it is.  And to answer your other question, we also give to academics and the arts at OU as do many of our friends and colleagues.

They are counting those seat contributions made for those seats as donor contribution and it puts you on the OBC membership rolls. Then they put a release saying we have 1400 donor club members contributing 700,000 but its mainly how many people are making seat contributions and the aggregate dollar figure those contributions bring in.

 
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I think having a D1 football team gives students something to do. I always hear ppl at D2, D3 schools says our schools so boring. nobody cares about football games there's nothing to do. Young ppl see Ohio students at games having fun and they want to come. Nobody wants to have nothing to do on a Saturday. (Grant it there is always something to do in Athens on a Saturday) Without football a lot of schools can be boring on the weekend.
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I think having a D1 football team gives students something to do. I always hear ppl at D2, D3 schools says our schools so boring. nobody cares about football games there's nothing to do. Young ppl see Ohio students at games having fun and they want to come. Nobody wants to have nothing to do on a Saturday. (Grant it there is always something to do in Athens on a Saturday) Without football a lot of schools can be boring on the weekend.

Just an observation but I think students prefer a muscled up campus look with big buildings over a traditional stately college green campus. That is the direction OU has been going with the new student center and with the huge new dorms to fill in South Green. I can remember going along south green dr. before they put all the olympic sports athletic facilities in and the Convo looked as if it was in the middle of nowhere. They have the IPF built right next to the football stadium when the original plan was to have it out by the soccer field. The Journalism school has moved into the massive renovated Baker Center building and some of the faculty questioned if it would hurt student recruiting but based on modern preferences they are going to love it. Miami prides itself on the greens and the public Ivy campus but that isn't what today's football and basketball players want. They rode their reputation for a while but a couple of bad coaches has cost them to lose ground they can't recover. That two sideline stadium setup they have screams high school. Most recruits are expecting either a bowl or a horseshoe when they think of a major college stadium. Trying to place the IPF in the endzone like NIU isn't going to change that perception.
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Why is that surprising? Isn't that the company who has the exclusive rights at all athletic events? Personally, I am a Coca-Cola guy but I'll take top-dollar in cases like this.
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This is truly a "Multi-Purpose Center" if I've ever seen one. If your purposes are "playing football" and "coaching football." 

Seriously, that phrase is downright Orwellian.
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This is truly a "Multi-Purpose Center" if I've ever seen one. If your purposes are "playing football" and "coaching football." 

Seriously, that phrase is downright Orwellian.


Football will get less than 20% of the use of the new facility. Probably far less. I think most will be surprised at the number of non-athletics (let alone non-football) activities going on there every day. I've heard that athletics is actually worried they won't get enough priority in scheduling.
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This is truly a "Multi-Purpose Center" if I've ever seen one. If your purposes are "playing football" and "coaching football." 

Seriously, that phrase is downright Orwellian.

LOL, I know what you are saying, but seriously, there is a track, and as for the center, anything you could do on grass, you can do on it. I've played softball on a football field, and it was a great place to play. Heck, you could have a picnic there, and not worry about ants. Frisbee golf anyone?

One thing I notice in the picture - the field doesn't seem to have a crown. Now, i know that since it is indoors, it doesn't need one to facilitate runoff, but, while a flat field will be more lifelike for most non-football purposes, it will make it less like the real field for football, where you are heading downhill as you run to the sidelines.
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This is truly a "Multi-Purpose Center" if I've ever seen one. If your purposes are "playing football" and "coaching football."

Seriously, that phrase is downright Orwellian.

LOL, I know what you are saying, but seriously, there is a track, and as for the center, anything you could do on grass, you can do on it. I've played softball on a football field, and it was a great place to play. Heck, you could have a picnic there, and not worry about ants. Frisbee golf anyone?

One thing I notice in the picture - the field doesn't seem to have a crown. Now, i know that since it is indoors, it doesn't need one to facilitate runoff, but, while a flat field will be more lifelike for most non-football purposes, it will make it less like the real field for football, where you are heading downhill as you run to the sidelines.
Peden and most turf fields are void of crowns in today's game. With the draininage of the foundation there is no crown needed.
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I thought you didn't need a crown with Field Turf.

 
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Are the student tailgates moving inside the MPF? B/c I thought the move to punchcard park last fall was a solid move, even though it was out of necessity with construction.
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Unless it's a distortion due to camera angle, this picture answers my question: It does not look like the field is full width.  That was what was planned originally, but recent Orwellian releases from the U have been referring to it as "full sized" -- but that appears to me from this photo to only be in one dimension.  
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xx-large (>= 1400px)