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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:33 PM
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why are you ignoring your fellow board members that are agreeing with me? I have seen quite a few.


I counted one (maybe two).


 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:42 PM
The FIU guy is not wrong at all. Go anywhere in the US and tell someone you graduated from "Ohio". They will say something about the Buckeyes. Say Ohio University or Ohio U. and they might even say "Oh, Columbus", which has happened to me outside of the state of Ohio. Who cares? Certainly not me. It was folly for us to try and re-brand ourselves when he have many more concerns and many more reasons to be proud, as the man pointed out. We may want to be considered in the Ohio/OSU conversation as the Michigan/MSU conversation and have that name recognition and clearly drawn boundary, but we don't. We are Ohio U.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:49 PM
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The FIU guy is not wrong at all. Go anywhere in the US and tell someone you graduated from "Ohio". They will say something about the Buckeyes. Say Ohio University or Ohio U. and they might even say "Oh, Columbus", which has happened to me outside of the state of Ohio. Who cares? Certainly not me. It was folly for us to try and re-brand ourselves when he have many more concerns and many more reasons to be proud, as the man pointed out. We may want to be considered in the Ohio/OSU conversation as the Michigan/MSU conversation and have that name recognition and clearly drawn boundary, but we don't. We are Ohio U.

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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:02 PM
I live in TX and always say Ohio and never get questioned. And fellow Bobcats, spare me with this self loathing preaching. Siding with an obvious troll? show some self respect.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:40 PM
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The FIU guy is not wrong at all. Go anywhere in the US and tell someone you graduated from "Ohio". They will say something about the Buckeyes. Say Ohio University or Ohio U. and they might even say "Oh, Columbus", which has happened to me outside of the state of Ohio. Who cares? Certainly not me. It was folly for us to try and re-brand ourselves when he have many more concerns and many more reasons to be proud, as the man pointed out. We may want to be considered in the Ohio/OSU conversation as the Michigan/MSU conversation and have that name recognition and clearly drawn boundary, but we don't. We are Ohio U.

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Actually, you're both wrong.

While it's not been a permanent and 100% improvement, it's been very successful from a national branding perspective. Keep the name out there and by all means keep winning. The biggest thing holding us back is the small-time defeatist attitude of some of our own fans (like you) and I would also say our current marketing and branding effort that doesn't seem to be very protective of our trademark, but also have perpetrated fail after massive fail at expanding the OHIO brand. Get the state outline on the field and back on the court. Get it on more shirts. Get We are OHIO on more shirts. Get shirts that say OHIO - The Bobcat State. Get it right. Push it until people know. It's not about eclipsing OSU's own athletic prowess or taking money out of their pockets. And people who interpret it that way are quite misguided. It's about protecting our OUR OWN NAME, our brand and our right to the state name. So, why don't you all quit being pu***** and stand up for what's yours?
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Posted: 8/25/2014 1:59 PM
How is that wrong?  It's personal experience, and I've traveled to all 50 states, and yes I still run into people all over who cannot tell the difference.  That is not a defeatest attitude.  You simply correct them and move on, this is not the end of the world and the fact that some of you get all worked up about it is humerous to me.  I personally refer to my school as OHIO, nothing else.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:22 PM
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I live in TX and always say Ohio and never get questioned. 

I also live in Texas. I rarely have to clarify.

 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:36 PM
My own personal experience is that I have to clarify a reference just to "Ohio" these days much less often than I had to clarify a reference to "Ohio University" in decades gone by.  Yes, you still do run into folks who confuse us with younger brother, but less often than in the past.  Just two days ago in Milan, Ohio, I was talking with a young man who is just entering college.  He is going to go to BG-Firelands his first year and then plans to transfer to Ohio for his sophomore year.  He wants to have a dual major in history and political science. The first two times he referred to our fine institution he said, "OU."  At that point I said, "OU" back to him.  On about his third  mention of the Harvard on the Hocking he said,"Ohio" in the context of his proposed transfer.  To bring this full circle, this was a day after we left Put-in-Bay and heard the arrogant A&M fan besmirch my Navy lads.   
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:05 PM
Many people think it's sexy to be referred to as "Ohio" and the powers that be thought about it enough to want that moniker. I get it and I even like it to some extent. I would like to know the history of the name and what we were referred to back in the day. I graduated in 1981 and I always heard us referred to as "Ohio U" or "OU". In some rare circumstances you would hear "Ohio University". What were we called in 1857? 1922, 1939, 1956....you get the idea.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:11 PM
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Many people think it's sexy to be referred to as "Ohio" and the powers that be thought about it enough to want that moniker. I get it and I even like it to some extent. I would like to know the history of the name and what we were referred to back in the day. I graduated in 1981 and I always heard us referred to as "Ohio U" or "OU". In some rare circumstances you would hear "Ohio University". What were we called in 1857? 1922, 1939, 1956....you get the idea.


When chartered as part of the Northwest Ordinance we were to be called American Western University.  But when established it was as The Ohio University - as shown on the replica of the university crest on College Green. 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:54 PM
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Many people think it's sexy to be referred to as "Ohio" and the powers that be thought about it enough to want that moniker. I get it and I even like it to some extent. I would like to know the history of the name and what we were referred to back in the day. I graduated in 1981 and I always heard us referred to as "Ohio U" or "OU". In some rare circumstances you would hear "Ohio University". What were we called in 1857? 1922, 1939, 1956....you get the idea.

In due diligence to defend itself from THE's lawsuit to prevent OHIO from using OHIO in its sporting logo, OHIO found references to Ohio University in the singular OHIO at the general university, athletic team and independent press levels dated into the 1800's.

Additionally, THE institutions such as The Lantern (student newspaper) and other official THE communications within its campus were found to refer to Ohio University in the singular "OHIO" as early as the uses by Ohio University cited above, into the 1800's.

Beyond that, THE was unable to find historic, singular references to THE as a singular "OHIO" in its university archives, communications or press, and could only find self-prescribed theft of the name OHIO for things such as Carmen Ohio, Ohio Stadium, Script Ohio, etc, etc. (essentially amounting to ritual theft due to their largesse that was guaranteed by Eagleson Bill passage in 1906, which provided legislated assurance that Ohio A&M would be the largest Ohio public university ad infinitum)

There were also historic documents found that date back to Alston Ellis that are contesting THE's theft of singular OHIO usage to then THE president William Oxley Thompson, as well as letters from Ellis to Ohio State Legislature to contest efforts of THE to change its name to University of Ohio.  This was the height of THE attempting to formally steal the singular Ohio as its name.  At the time, OHIO had been OHIO for one hundred and thirteen years.  This dates to the 1910's.

With those findings, it was a fete accompli that the THE suit against OHIO had no merit, and if anything OHIO could have at the time pursued significant restrictions against THE for using the singular OHIO.

However, due to pressure being applied by the Ohio State Legislature once THE realized they opened Pandora's Box and were in trouble, Glidden chose not to pursue restrictions against THE using the singular OHIO in THE's traditionally stolen uses of Ohio, and actually agreed to significant protections FOR THE's continued use of the singular Ohio in their traditions.  That is the historically factual, Cliff's Notes version of events.

Question: If people fraudulently stole your surname and then sued you from ever using it again, wouldn't you be pissed off?

And I wish people would stop claiming that it is jealousy driving most people's insistence on people calling OHIO OHIO, because it is simply nonsense.  There are many good reasons to do so that do not remotely involve jealous motivations.

 
Last Edited: 8/25/2014 4:32:36 PM by D.A.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:57 PM
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How is that wrong?  It's personal experience, and I've traveled to all 50 states, and yes I still run into people all over who cannot tell the difference.  That is not a defeatest attitude.

Your reasoning for not referring to your school by it's name is basically "Because no one understands me...it's no use..."  That is pretty much the definition of being a defeatist.  What DFC is saying is if all of us just said Ohio and lived with the confusion it sometimes creates, we can claim our name back.  The progress in the last 10 years in undeniable.

And thanks to DFC for making the obvious and shouldn't even be necessary clarification that this has nothing to do with wanting to be Ohio State.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:15 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
The FIU guy is not wrong at all. Go anywhere in the US and tell someone you graduated from "Ohio". They will say something about the Buckeyes. Say Ohio University or Ohio U. and they might even say "Oh, Columbus", which has happened to me outside of the state of Ohio. Who cares? Certainly not me. It was folly for us to try and re-brand ourselves when he have many more concerns and many more reasons to be proud, as the man pointed out. We may want to be considered in the Ohio/OSU conversation as the Michigan/MSU conversation and have that name recognition and clearly drawn boundary, but we don't. We are Ohio U.


A good portion of the populace believe bigfoot exists and that the Pentagon was hit by a missle on 9/11.  The #1 television show on TV is usually unwatchable.  Popular opionion doesn't mean it's not idiocy.  Our FIU friend is just telling us he thinks he just saw bigfoot wrestling an alligator in the Everglades.  In other words, when you tell someone that you went to Ohio and they say "the Buckeyes?",  they are the ignorant one not you and there is no reason to respect ignorance.

And his assertion that tOSU is what we wish we were is just foolish.  I could have gone to Ohio State but didn't and I couldn't be happier with my decision. 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:20 PM
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I live in TX and always say Ohio and never get questioned.


I also live in Texas. I rarely have to clarify.
The bigger issue in these parts is when you say you went to OU. THAT causes confusion and requires explanation.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:24 PM
Good to see that OHIO is getting its game face on, fired-up ready for some OHIO FOOTBALL.


Knock their Dix off.







 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:25 PM
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  Our FIU friend is just telling us he thinks he just saw bigfoot wrestling an alligator in the Everglades. 


I'd watch that television show.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:36 PM
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  Our FIU friend is just telling us he thinks he just saw bigfoot wrestling an alligator in the Everglades. 


I'd watch that television show.

It wouldn't be hard, its only about 45% of The History Channel's lineup

 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:52 PM
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I live in TX and always say Ohio and never get questioned.


I also live in Texas. I rarely have to clarify.


The bigger issue in these parts is when you say you went to OU. THAT causes confusion and requires explanation.


I used to say, "the real OU" but people thought I meant Oregon.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:59 PM
D.A, thanks for the history lesson. Hamilton Burger has nothing on you!  I never disagreed with our right to use it or own it, as we certainly do own it. I put it in the context of Coca Cola objecting to the moniker "Coke" or McDonald's trying to reverse the term"Mickey D's". In both cases the respective companies just went with the nicknames and incorporated it into their slogans and ads.

However we did it, we morphed into OU or Ohio U. But everybody knew the difference between us and them. I'm not sure that was so bad. They certainly have no right to it. I'm in complete agreement with that truth.

 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:00 PM
Let me add to DA's very good summary of the legal case, that it was after the Ohio General Assembly balked at changing A&M's name to the "University of Ohio" that they added the "The."  It was kind of a consolation prize.  Ironically, we've always had a "The" in our name -- just look at your diploma! 
Last Edited: 8/25/2014 5:02:00 PM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:11 PM

ESPN got the memo and so have most national media.  All you are pointing out, Alan, is that there is work yet to be done.  We all already know that! 

 
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:13 PM
I live in Des Moines, IA. Never do I have to make the distinction. Thank you Frank Solich
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:28 PM
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How is that wrong? It's personal experience, and I've traveled to all 50 states, and yes I still run into people all over who cannot tell the difference. That is not a defeatest attitude.


Your reasoning for not referring to your school by it's name is basically "Because no one understands me...it's no use..." That is pretty much the definition of being a defeatist. What DFC is saying is if all of us just said Ohio and lived with the confusion it sometimes creates, we can claim our name back. The progress in the last 10 years in undeniable.

And thanks to DFC for making the obvious and shouldn't even be necessary clarification that this has nothing to do with wanting to be Ohio State.

I never said its of no use! If you'd read my posts, you'd see that's exactly NOT what I said. I did say those of you that get your panties in a wad over it entertain me.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:50 PM
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I live in TX and always say Ohio and never get questioned. 

I also live in Texas. I rarely have to clarify.


I live in North Carolina and rarely get questioned.  Do work throughout southeast rarely get questioned.  Largest client in Detroit (When I say Ohio they say "University... not Ohio State.")  Lived in NYC rarely got questioned.  Grew up in PA - rarely got questioned.   Interesting that the folks that most think there is confusion outside the state...live in the state.
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