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Posted: 9/26/2014 6:35 AM
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NIU announced a home and home series with Vanderbilt yesterday, scheduled for 2019 and 2022. Though it was odd to schedule it so far out until I looked at their calendar and noticed that they are nearly full for the next 10 years.

NIU OOC breakdown 2014-2023:

P5 Away only $$$ games
@ Arkansas ('14)
@ Northwestern ('14)
@ Ohio State ('15)
@ Nebraska ('17,'19,'21,'23)
@ Iowa ('18,'20)

P5 H/H series
Boston College ('15,'16or'17)
Utah ('18,'19)
Vandy ('19,'22)
Maryland ('20,'21)

G5 H/H series
UNLV ('14,'15)
Wyoming ('16,'21)
SDSU ('16,'17)
BYU ('18,'20)
Tulsa ('22,'23)

Assuming NIU continues to schedule 1 FCS team a year there are only 3 spots open between 2014 and 2023 and a H/H with USF is rumored to be announced shortly. The distribution of the types of OOC games schedule over the next 10 years looks like this for NIU-

10 FCS games
10 G5 H/H series
9 P5 Away only $$$ games
8 P5 H/H games
3 available spots (1 in either '16 or '17 depending on BC option, 1 in '22, 1 in '23)

That's a near perfect distribution of the 4 types of games you would want each year for an OOC, impressive work by the NIU AD and staff.


By comparison, here is what Ohio has scheduled so far for 2014-2023:

P5 Away only $$$ games
@ Kentucky ('14)
@ Minnesota ('15)
@ Tennessee ('16)

P5 H/H series
Kansas ('16,'17)

G5 H/H series
Marshall ('14,'15,'19,'20)
Idaho ('14,'15)
UMass ('17,'18)
Cinci ('18,'20)

10 FCS games
10 G5 H/H games
3 P5 Away only $$$ games
1 P5 H/H games
16 available spots

Would love to see Ohio add some more P5 H/H series to the mix.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 7:34 AM
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Hell I'd like to see Ohio add better G5 H/H before anything else. The AD has to be able to get someone better than Wyoming, New Mexico State or Idaho.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 9:30 AM
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This is something that drives me nuts with regard to college football. Why the heck is any school scheduling TEN years in advance? I truly don't understand what anyone is thinking who runs this sport.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:28 AM
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With the division between the top five and second five conferences, I would really like to see the MAC create a scheduling alliance with one P5 and one G5, as I personally believe that the scheduling for NIU is great, but having all the schools go it alone really doesn't benefit the conference long term.

Ex: an alliance with the ACC and either the MWC or AAC wold be ideal, where the entities work together long term for the elimination of FCS scheduling, to the benefit of all conferences involved in jockeying for position in the playoff.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:32 AM
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OU_Country wrote:expand_more
This is something that drives me nuts with regard to college football. Why the heck is any school scheduling TEN years in advance? I truly don't understand what anyone is thinking who runs this sport.
I don't understand your outrage. What is the down side of locking up quality opponents for the foreseeable future? What potential recruit, current player, student, alum, donor or fan is going to look at this say "I can't believe NIU has scheduled several quality opponents to come to Huskie Stadium over the next 10 years, what a terrible thing to do."? If it was 10 years worth of UMass and Idaho I might understand but that's obviously not the case.

You know who's probably not going to come to Peden Stadium any time soon- most of the teams on that list. And part of the reason why is because they've already committed to playing 1 MAC team and that's enough for them. If there is some great advantage to waiting until the last minute I'm not seeing it.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:41 AM
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Their OOC schedule is probably better than any P-5 OOC schedule that's out there. It should really pay off in recruiting long term. You have to give the guys credit, they are trying to be the class of the conference and are doing a nice job. It's also true that we are scheduling entirely differently and we are stuck with what we have for a few more years at least.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:53 AM
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D.A. wrote:expand_more
With the division between the top five and second five conferences, I would really like to see the MAC create a scheduling alliance with one P5 and one G5, as I personally believe that the scheduling for NIU is great, but having all the schools go it alone really doesn't benefit the conference long term.

Ex: an alliance with the ACC and either the MWC or AAC wold be ideal, where the entities work together long term for the elimination of FCS scheduling, to the benefit of all conferences involved in jockeying for position in the playoff.
Coordinating the schedule for 1 program is a challenge, getting 12 schools to coordinate together is impossible. Plus, as exciting as an ACC matchup sounds to us you've got to look at this from the ACC perspective, their previous scheduling agreement was with Notre Dame, now they're going to follow that up with an agreement to play every team in the MAC?
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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:57 AM
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This is something that drives me nuts with regard to college football. Why the heck is any school scheduling TEN years in advance? I truly don't understand what anyone is thinking who runs this sport.
I don't understand your outrage. What is the down side of locking up quality opponents for the foreseeable future? What potential recruit, current player, student, alum, donor or fan is going to look at this say "I can't believe NIU has scheduled several quality opponents to come to Huskie Stadium over the next 10 years, what a terrible thing to do."? If it was 10 years worth of UMass and Idaho I might understand but that's obviously not the case.

You know who's probably not going to come to Peden Stadium any time soon- most of the teams on that list. And part of the reason why is because they've already committed to playing 1 MAC team and that's enough for them. If there is some great advantage to waiting until the last minute I'm not seeing it.
I can see this point of view. I wasn't specifically pointing at NIU, but more the trend to set schedules ten years out as a whole. The NIU schedule is a good one, which shows how far ahead of most of the MAC they are in football. As a fan, I'd rather see schedule flexibility a little more, but my ideals clearly don't fit with college football as a whole.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:18 AM
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perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
With the division between the top five and second five conferences, I would really like to see the MAC create a scheduling alliance with one P5 and one G5, as I personally believe that the scheduling for NIU is great, but having all the schools go it alone really doesn't benefit the conference long term.

Ex: an alliance with the ACC and either the MWC or AAC wold be ideal, where the entities work together long term for the elimination of FCS scheduling, to the benefit of all conferences involved in jockeying for position in the playoff.
Coordinating the schedule for 1 program is a challenge, getting 12 schools to coordinate together is impossible. Plus, as exciting as an ACC matchup sounds to us you've got to look at this from the ACC perspective, their previous scheduling agreement was with Notre Dame, now they're going to follow that up with an agreement to play every team in the MAC?
Agreed, I'm not suggesting exclusive agreements, simply a first right of refusal type of agreement. There is a twelve year agreement for the playoff, and teams are scheduled out years in advance (NIU being the extreme case), so I am merely suggesting agreements that would create partnerships that perhaps could also be integrated into the BB scheduling at some point.

The win for the ACC would be eliminating FCS games to boost their strength of schedule for playoff consideration, as would be the case for MAC teams.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 11:38 AM
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This is something that drives me nuts with regard to college football. Why the heck is any school scheduling TEN years in advance? I truly don't understand what anyone is thinking who runs this sport.
NIU has been the most solid MAC program in this century -- just two losing seasons since 2002 (that's as far back ESPN's results for them goes)-- so they're attractive to "P"5 schools, even in the playoff era. A win against them would be a quality win during most seasons. But if they should suddenly become EMU or if the team they've scheduled gets a better offer, there's always a buy-out or a rescheduling clause to fall back on. Not much to lose in scheduling that far ahead.
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I'm surprised they scheduled 4 road games with Nebraska and no return trip.

I like that Ohio State schedule NIU. NIU is becoming the Fresno State of the MAC.. "Anybody Anywhere"..
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Hell I'd like to see Ohio add better G5 H/H before anything else. The AD has to be able to get someone better than Wyoming, New Mexico State or Idaho.
I think that is smart scheduling.. Winnable games vs FBS competition. You play a money game, an FCS school for a home game and series with FBS you can beat. Don't beat yourself with the schedule.
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....The AD has to be able to get someone better than Wyoming, New Mexico State or Idaho.
The only logical explanation is the university simply doesn't want to do this, or can't afford it. No?
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....The AD has to be able to get someone better than Wyoming, New Mexico State or Idaho.
The only logical explanation is the university simply doesn't want to do this, or can't afford it. No?
If it was a home/home, would it matter? Wouldn't the money even out? Besides, I have to imagine Ohio would get more out of a game with an ECU, Houston, Fresno, or Colorado State.
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Hell I'd like to see Ohio add better G5 H/H before anything else. The AD has to be able to get someone better than Wyoming, New Mexico State or Idaho.
I think that is smart scheduling.. Winnable games vs FBS competition. You play a money game, an FCS school for a home game and series with FBS you can beat. Don't beat yourself with the schedule.
That's fine to build the program up, but in the future wouldn't you rather see programs we want to compare to or be better than eventually?
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Posted: 9/26/2014 3:55 PM
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I would love to see a home and home with UConn or ECU to go with the Cincy and Kansas ones. Maybe a service academy or a WKU.
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I'm happy with 3 of our 4 OOC opponent types that we schedule each year-

1. P5 $$$ game, away only, usually against a not impossible opponent.
2. FCS at home.
3. Competitive G5 (has been Marshall, need solid replacement for '16-'18)
4. Bad G5 out of market (NMSU, Idaho, UMass)


It's that last one we need to replace with a low level P5 H/H. Do that and we are golden. But if we can't get that done then we need to make it a 2nd high end G5. We don't need an FCS game AND a bottom G5 game.
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
....The AD has to be able to get someone better than Wyoming, New Mexico State or Idaho.
The only logical explanation is the university simply doesn't want to do this, or can't afford it. No?
If it was a home/home, would it matter? Wouldn't the money even out? Besides, I have to imagine Ohio would get more out of a game with an ECU, Houston, Fresno, or Colorado State.
I've just always assumed when you play at Kentucky or whatever you get much more money from them than if you require a return trip.
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I would love to see a home and home with UConn or ECU to go with the Cincy and Kansas ones. Maybe a service academy or a WKU.
We played home and homes with both Uconn and ECU.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 6:40 PM
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perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
This is something that drives me nuts with regard to college football. Why the heck is any school scheduling TEN years in advance? I truly don't understand what anyone is thinking who runs this sport.
I don't understand your outrage. What is the down side of locking up quality opponents for the foreseeable future? What potential recruit, current player, student, alum, donor or fan is going to look at this say "I can't believe NIU has scheduled several quality opponents to come to Huskie Stadium over the next 10 years, what a terrible thing to do."? If it was 10 years worth of UMass and Idaho I might understand but that's obviously not the case.

You know who's probably not going to come to Peden Stadium any time soon- most of the teams on that list. And part of the reason why is because they've already committed to playing 1 MAC team and that's enough for them. If there is some great advantage to waiting until the last minute I'm not seeing it.
Locking up - OCF can tell you about "locking up" games.
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Posted: 9/26/2014 8:12 PM
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....The AD has to be able to get someone better than Wyoming, New Mexico State or Idaho.
The only logical explanation is the university simply doesn't want to do this, or can't afford it. No?
If it was a home/home, would it matter? Wouldn't the money even out? Besides, I have to imagine Ohio would get more out of a game with an ECU, Houston, Fresno, or Colorado State.
I've just always assumed when you play at Kentucky or whatever you get much more money from them than if you require a return trip.
Kentucky isn't G5, so you are probably right. I'm talking mid level teams that aren't in the Group of 5 major conferences.
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