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Posted: 10/9/2014 9:52 AM
Obviously, you guys do not live in Cincinnati. I am a lifelong bobcat BUT...

Over the last 10 years or so the academic quality of UC has improved tremendously and the pride in the institution has grown much like ours. In fact, the latest USNews rankings has the UC Academic rank tied with OHIO (#129 , I think). They used to be 50 slots below us. Maybe that says us much about us slipping as them improving?

Second, not that long ago, the two football programs were pretty much on equal footing. They used to draw 17-20,000 like us. Now, most UC crowds are 30-35,000+. They used to recruit like us. Now, they get 10-15 3-star recruits a year. Finally UC has made a committment to play football in a P5 conference. That may or may not happen but they have committed the resources that puts them a lot closer to that dream than OHIO seemingly ever will be.

sorry guys...
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:18 AM
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Obviously, you guys do not live in Cincinnati. I am a lifelong bobcat BUT...

Over the last 10 years or so the academic quality of UC has improved tremendously and the pride in the institution has grown much like ours. In fact, the latest USNews rankings has the UC Academic rank tied with OHIO (#129 , I think). They used to be 50 slots below us. Maybe that says us much about us slipping as them improving?

Second, not that long ago, the two football programs were pretty much on equal footing. They used to draw 17-20,000 like us. Now, most UC crowds are 30-35,000+. They used to recruit like us. Now, they get 10-15 3-star recruits a year. Finally UC has made a committment to play football in a P5 conference. That may or may not happen but they have committed the resources that puts them a lot closer to that dream than OHIO seemingly ever will be.

sorry guys...
I'd say this is spot on accurate. Another thing UC does well - much, much better than we do, is game day atmosphere inside the stadium. I don't think pre-renovation Nippert is better than Peden , but the audio/video, pyrotechnics, and general excitement and noise inside the stadium has far exceeded Peden in the last two visits I've had to Nippert in the last 5 years (once in 2009 or 10, and last year).

Last year when I was there, they did have the same issues we have though with half the large number of students that turn out leaving by mid 3rd quarter.

I will say there's no way I would trade OUr campus area and tailgating for theirs in a million years though.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 10:41 AM
The article said that their data was based on "likes", so I suspect that one person could be counted for multiple teams. So if a person in Cincinnati says "Oh, I like the Bearcats, I'll like that page...oh I root for the Buckeyes, I'll like that page...oh, I went to a game at lexington once, that was fun, I'll like that page...oh, and I'm catholic, so go Notre Dame!" then they'd count for each of those teams.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 12:31 PM
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The perception of UC could be related to the perception of the actual city of Cincinnati itself. For people who have never been here, they still like to refer to it as the Nasty Nati or relate race issues to it. And I think most people touched on it, but UC's fan base is clearly Cincinnati centered. Even on the outskirts of 275 is when people start cheering IU, OSU or UK. Ok maybe not IU football.
That's very different from my experiences growing up in Adams County. While OSU was the dominant football fandom and UK the dominant basketball fandom, UC was always a close second in both categories. And that was about 45 miles outside the 275 loop.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 12:49 PM
Del, that Nasty Nati stuff has pretty much disappeared-at least in Cincinnati. I had not heard that talk for years until reading this post!

And, Country, I would never trade my OHIO experience for UC! UC is way to commuter oriented although it is trying to change with the developments going up around campus now.

I would just say in general starting with the billion dollar capital campaign to improve facilities and the current emphasis on Academics this place has come a long way from the 1970s.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 1:38 PM
I agree Casper, I wouldn't trade OU to go to UC, but I wouldn't call it a commuter school in the way that it used to be. As you said, they've done a lot of improving there in the last 10-15 years. I'm always going to be a Bearcat fan at heart...but never before, or ahead of, my Bobcat allegiance.
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Posted: 10/9/2014 2:47 PM
If you worked at UC and had to go thru the traffic I go thru in the Clifton area...you'd say it is predominantly a commuter school:)
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Posted: 10/10/2014 11:43 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
If you worked at UC and had to go thru the traffic I go thru in the Clifton area...you'd say it is predominantly a commuter school:)
I rode the bus through Clifton last night after work, which is not part of my normal routine or route. That was a huge mistake.

They have definitely made the school adhere to more of a "campus life" type of student, especially with the growth of business on Calhoun Street. I would say it's about halfway towards what it wants to be. They just need to get some crime out of that area to make it feel more like a campus instead of a city.
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:07 PM
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If you worked at UC and had to go thru the traffic I go thru in the Clifton area...you'd say it is predominantly a commuter school:)
I rode the bus through Clifton last night after work, which is not part of my normal routine or route. That was a huge mistake.

They have definitely made the school adhere to more of a "campus life" type of student, especially with the growth of business on Calhoun Street. I would say it's about halfway towards what it wants to be. They just need to get some crime out of that area to make it feel more like a campus instead of a city.
I think Xavier did a good job several years ago in "campifing" (don't try to look that one up in the dictionary) their buildings and grounds. There are now areas of the campus that feel like a college campus. That wasn't always the case. UC will have a harder time doing this, I think.
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Posted: 10/10/2014 12:23 PM
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If you worked at UC and had to go thru the traffic I go thru in the Clifton area...you'd say it is predominantly a commuter school:)
I rode the bus through Clifton last night after work, which is not part of my normal routine or route. That was a huge mistake.

They have definitely made the school adhere to more of a "campus life" type of student, especially with the growth of business on Calhoun Street. I would say it's about halfway towards what it wants to be. They just need to get some crime out of that area to make it feel more like a campus instead of a city.
I think Xavier did a good job several years ago in "campifing" (don't try to look that one up in the dictionary) their buildings and grounds. There are now areas of the campus that feel like a college campus. That wasn't always the case. UC will have a harder time doing this, I think.
I agree with you actually. Where Xavier is located in Norwood provides more room for growth without having to do much damage to the infrastructure. It's not until recently where plans were made to extend Xavier out towards Montgomery Road. Before that, it was kind of tucked away along Victory Parkway away from anything.

I was fortunate during my time there to sit in on some meetings about the plan for Xavier. It all started with the Cintas Center being erected and how much that has provided and continues to provide them.
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Posted: 10/10/2014 11:24 PM
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Obviously, you guys do not live in Cincinnati. I am a lifelong bobcat BUT...

Over the last 10 years or so the academic quality of UC has improved tremendously and the pride in the institution has grown much like ours. In fact, the latest USNews rankings has the UC Academic rank tied with OHIO (#129 , I think). They used to be 50 slots below us. Maybe that says us much about us slipping as them improving?

Second, not that long ago, the two football programs were pretty much on equal footing. They used to draw 17-20,000 like us. Now, most UC crowds are 30-35,000+. They used to recruit like us. Now, they get 10-15 3-star recruits a year. Finally UC has made a committment to play football in a P5 conference. That may or may not happen but they have committed the resources that puts them a lot closer to that dream than OHIO seemingly ever will be.
Cincinnati has everything in place to join a power conference for the time being. They built up the program playing in a BCS conference where they had a recruiting advantage over mid major schools. They built up a nice budget using profits from the Big East. The Big East is dead. Cincinnati is now a G5 school. In 2010 it was a G5 with 54 schools to recruit against. This year its a G5 with 63 schools to compete with. Any G5 school is capable in theory of having the Top program in the 6th rated football conference. UC had advantages for a long time over MAC schools with TV and bowl games but the MAC has all of that now. The real difference maker is going to be what the game atmosphere is like and Ohio has one of the better G5 game atmospheres around. The UC strategy is focused around a short term push into a P5 conference but if it takes more than 5 years when the exit fees from departed Big East schools run out they'll be feeling a financial pinch. Performance drops off and they'll fire Tuberville and his 3.2 million dollar salary (26th in the country) replaced with a guy making 1 million. SMU tried the same thing with June Jones who they overpaid for in an attempt to move to a better conference and now he's out. UC is due for a correction.
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Posted: 10/11/2014 1:07 PM
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Notre Dame where I live at a whopping 10%.

Also Northwestern barely even owns Evanston. Chicago's B1G 10 team!
Even scarier is that near where I live, 60644, the top 3 teams are:

OSU 8%
Illinois 7%
ND 7%
So, have you moved away yet?
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