No, but I think winning 6, 7 or 8 games this year would be a good accomplishment considering this was all but certain to be a rebuilding year.

It wasn't the case in 2007-8, either, but 2009-12 were pretty good years. I think that 2011 and 2012 "should have" been MAC Championship years, but 2011 was a fail in the second half of the championship game, and 2012 the team was destroyed by injuries. 2013 we can debate what went wrong, but I still think 2014 is a team that will continue to improve as the year goes on, and that 2015-16 will be very good years.

In the end, though, it doesn't matter what we think on this topic. I personally think Solich will retire after a good season, and given that I think 2015-16 will be good seasons, I think one or the other will be his last. Then Ohio can move on, and get back on the normal MAC coaching roller coaster.

At this point we'll just have to watch and see how the season develops. Still, those that say nothing ever changes are clearly wrong. We saw some changes to things they did off-season, such as the Navy Seals Training, and we see an entirely new defensive scheme this year. The latter obviously did not work out well against Marshall, but I expect that the coaches will make some changes to it as we go along.

Relieve my confusion, "nothing different...than what we have seen the last nine years" -- what have we seen the last nine years? Consistent winning - versus a pathetic past.

1950's - 50 - 39 .561
1960's - 60 - 38 .612 (included a winless 10-loss season)
1970's - 45 - 60 .429
1980's - 34 - 73 .315
1990's - 34 - 74 .315
2000 - 2004 - 17 - 39 .304

Frank's years - 67 - 52 .563
last five years 43 - 24 .641 -- including 5 straight bowl games.

Is Frank nearing the end of his tenure - of course. But the wheels are coming off talk seems a little absurd - and given our history -- comical.

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Perhaps - I disagree, but perhaps. Though there is absolutely no indication that is the case.

FYI - since we do not control the bowl environment, you're good old days are irrelevant. What we can do, which is constant through the years, is to compare to our peers.

Question which I do not have time to explore. What teams from non P5 conferences have gone to 5 straight bowl games? Which teams overall have done so? Within the MAC - two. Ohio University from the East and Northern Illinois from the West. That's it. And no, we are not at the Northern level.

What we can all agree on is that Frank (barring some unexpected indiscretion), with the resurrection he has accomplished for this program, can, will, and should go out when he decides - and certainly through his current contract. Any move now would shatter any and all equity that the head coaching position at Ohio University has now attained.

Well, at least we have 2 out of the bottom three teams in the country on our schedule this year:

126. Idaho (0-2, 0-1) | 127. Eastern Michigan (1-2, 0-0) | 128. Miami (Ohio) (0-3, 0-0)

BTW, Miami sucks...

BUMP

If we change coaches it will be at least two seasons before we're competitive with anyone besides the dregs of college football.

Somebody please pass the green kool aid my way. Even after watching the debacle today, I will be in Athens for Homecoming next week like a lot of you rooting on dear old Ohio. Like the good old days, I will leave after the 110 performs because the prodeuct on the field will be licking their wounds.

It won't be like the late 70s to 90s were we had NO HOPE at all. It's just I think that going into year 10 this staff has done all it can, it has gotten as good as it gets and based on the last 25 games it is on the way out with both good and bad memories.

Oh, I really do hope they prove me wrong!

You aint kidding. Since the beginning of 2012, which is 32 games played, Ohio has only beaten FOUR opponents that finished with winning records.

Eh, it's the halfway point in the season. That seems to be as good a point to evaluate progress in the season as any.

And that's what we were told to expect: progress. The team is young, be patient, we'll develop them.

So the question is, what are the signs of progress halfway through the season?
(A) Our starting QB is hurt, and the guy we were told was almost good enough to start has not looked that good in the 2 and a half games he's been the guy.
(B) The OL had looked improved through 5 games, but fell apart in game 6. Is CMU's front seven that dominant? A not-good Syracuse team and a bad Kansas team didn't have the trouble our offense did.
(C) Ouellette is the only RB that has looked the part of a starter. Behind him are several specialists we're trying to use as every down backs.
(D) WR and TE development has been hindered by poor QB play.
(E) Defensive front 7 has been mixed. D Line has not been as impressive as many of us hoped it would be, but the linebackers have been much better.
(F) Secondary has been burned consistently in all of our games.
(G) Special teams has been markedly better than last year.

Based on that, I would say that outside of linebackers and special teams, the trend line is flat to down.

You bring up some valid points. I had originally intended to go back through the years and show the entire Solich era (at work, didn't have time). So of course the numbers will be skewed. My original thought was that the wins over teams with winning records has declined over the years. But the more I thought about it, maybe that's not true. It's possible every year is in the 30-40% range. Maybe that's just something Ohio is good at right now. It can beat the teams they are supposed to, but can't beat the ones they want/need to.

Kinda sounds like the Reds...