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Posted: 10/12/2014 12:45 PM
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What happened yesterday is what folks on here said teams should do against us. Bg sold hardto stop the run, made us throw. We got lots of yards but were hardly explosive. The number that matters is 13, and that's very disappointing, and against the worst defense in the nation, really awful, no matter how you slice it. I will say that Sprague took some steps forward yesterday. He made some throws into tight coverage that I want sure he could make, he also had a beautiful deep ball to Cochran that should have been 6. Not sure how that was missed.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 2:38 PM
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I've heard very good things about Irons potential from what I consider a good source. The fact that he's being redshirted would indicate to me that his potential is rather raw and that he needs some more experience in practice against better talent to hone that potential into a little kinetic energy on the football field. The fact that he played at a Canadian high school and probably faced less than stellar competition doesn't mean that he's not a great find (a diamond in the rough) but that he might need a little more "learning" before he sees the field.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 4:47 PM
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Obviously you (and Billy) know more about football than I do. Played rugby, never football.

Last post for a while, as I am working on a Sunday because I have a deadline.

My point is the status quo is not to good. When you can move the ball as much as we did yesterday, but still not score, a little tinkering may improve the product.
In my humble opinion the running game could use some tinkering:)

peace
I get where you are coming from, and you saw some tinkering yesterday, and bringing the extra TE in for the running game. Our guys just need more experience. Our new OL coach is a hell of a coach, and we are very young up front and due to the youth are not quite as strong in the run blocking category as they will be as they get older.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 5:15 PM
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I've heard very good things about Irons potential from what I consider a good source. The fact that he's being redshirted would indicate to me that his potential is rather raw and that he needs some more experience in practice against better talent to hone that potential into a little kinetic energy on the football field. The fact that he played at a Canadian high school and probably faced less than stellar competition doesn't mean that he's not a great find (a diamond in the rough) but that he might need a little more "learning" before he sees the field.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 5:30 PM
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It also hurt him that, because of the Vancouver school schedule, he wasn't able to arrive in Athens until the start of fall camp. Thus he missed all the summer activities, like conditioning, Navy Seal training, 7 on 7, etc.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:03 PM
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Note: This post is in response to BillyTheCat’s post on Page 1

To give you and idea of what kind of toughness AJ OUellette has, as a sophomore in high school he broke his collar bone on a play where the defender landed on him while he was stretching the ball out for extra yards. He played seven plays after that and on his final play he ran over a defender to get into the end zone - with the shoulder that had the broken collar bone. He ultimately needed surgery where a steel plate was inserted to hold his shoulder together.

Also, in regards to the competition OUellette faced in high school, he ran for 225 yards against a team (Marion Local) that won its third straight state championship last year - a Marion Local team that destroyed the D5 state champion (Coldwater) earlier in the year. The coach of the other team actually went for it on fourth-and-ten on their own end of the field because he didn’t want to kick it to OUellette.

Why bring this up? AJ is a beast. He has a pretty bad sprained ankle right now, one that would likely keep other players off the field. But he’s the type of kid that will do anything humanly possible to help his team win games.

The Bobcats are young this year at several positions, but with a player like OUellette - and a host of other quality young players - the future is very bright.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:08 PM
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CovingtonBuccs wrote:expand_more
. . . AJ is a beast. He has a pretty bad sprained ankle right now, one that would likely keep other players off the field. But he’s the type of kid that will do anything humanly possible to help his team win games.

The Bobcats are young this year at several positions, but with a player like OUellette - and a host of other quality young players - the future is very bright.
+1

Edited to make clear the part I was giving a thumbs up to.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 9:38 PM
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CovingtonBuccs wrote:expand_more
Note: This post is in response to BillyTheCat’s post on Page 1

To give you and idea of what kind of toughness AJ OUellette has, as a sophomore in high school he broke his collar bone on a play where the defender landed on him while he was stretching the ball out for extra yards. He played seven plays after that and on his final play he ran over a defender to get into the end zone - with the shoulder that had the broken collar bone. He ultimately needed surgery where a steel plate was inserted to hold his shoulder together.

Also, in regards to the competition OUellette faced in high school, he ran for 225 yards against a team (Marion Local) that won its third straight state championship last year - a Marion Local team that destroyed the D5 state champion (Coldwater) earlier in the year. The coach of the other team actually went for it on fourth-and-ten on their own end of the field because he didn’t want to kick it to OUellette.

Why bring this up? AJ is a beast. He has a pretty bad sprained ankle right now, one that would likely keep other players off the field. But he’s the type of kid that will do anything humanly possible to help his team win games.

The Bobcats are young this year at several positions, but with a player like OUellette - and a host of other quality young players - the future is very bright.

Whoa!!! I never once questioned AJ or his background. My comment was about Canadian competition and how they (Canadian schools or clubs) cannot beat or even compete with the smallest programs in OHIO. I also stated just check the AP wire every weekend and you will see what I am talking about! So I apologize that there was a misunderstanding, but I in no way was dismissing AJ's talent or his toughness. I am however stating that a talent like Irons has a lot of learning to do because the football played in Canada is absolutely horrid.

In fact, I believe Canada is winless in Ohio (22-0 is the best I can find this year, with an average score of 55-6) this year and has only scored double digits in one or two games.
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Posted: 10/12/2014 10:56 PM
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As for what I suggest to reviving the running game. That is simple! You keep working! Our OL is young, our backfield is young and inexperienced, our passing game has been subpar and not been able to help establish the run. There is no magic bullet, they just have to keep 'chopping wood'. Today, the staff listened to Monroe and employed a two back system for must of the game, and you can tell from the results, Monroe's, theory failed to pay dividends.! Hence there is NO magic bullet! Keep working!

I should point out that the real reason that they used two backs against BG, and not against CMU was because of the the defenses used by the two teams. CMU left only 6 in the box, and had 5 on the 3 receivers. That left Ohio with an 8-6 advantage in the box. Adding another running back would have caused them to move 2 more defenders into the box, and reduced the advantage there to 9-8. By contrast, BG was putting 8 in the box, so it was 8 on 8. Adding another RB changed the odds to 9-9, but game Ohio better leverage. Plays and formations are not called in a vacuum. You try to attack the weakest area of the defense.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 1:29 AM
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I will jump in to comment just to point out that football in BC is anything but horrid! Maleek played team Canada against team USA at the all American bowl during his sophomore year ....Canada won. During his senior year Team BC played at the all American bowl again for a second straight year and won both games...team Europe and team USA. His HS team also travelled to Washington and Oregon to play American teams all the time and Won! In fact they were blow outs! Perhaps your experience in the east is not very positive but in the west we dominate in the states.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 2:39 AM
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Name ways to offset the orthodoxy of the defense has x number of men in the box and, so, as the case may be, is playing us to run or playing us to pass.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 7:26 AM
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Beastmode wrote:expand_more
I will jump in to comment just to point out that football in BC is anything but horrid! Maleek played team Canada against team USA at the all American bowl during his sophomore year ....Canada won. During his senior year Team BC played at the all American bowl again for a second straight year and won both games...team Europe and team USA. His HS team also travelled to Washington and Oregon to play American teams all the time and Won! In fact they were blow outs! Perhaps your experience in the east is not very positive but in the west we dominate in the states.
On the films posted on Hudl, the competition was anything but horrid. The kid has talent, but carrying the rock in DI is a tad more refined than H.S. ball in Canada.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 7:27 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Name ways to offset the orthodoxy of the defense has x number of men in the box and, so, as the case may be, is playing us to run or playing us to pass.
Monroe, v. CMU, they dared us, even invited us to run. We simply were unable to.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 11:35 AM
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Note: This post is in response to BillyTheCat’s post on Page 1

To give you and idea of what kind of toughness AJ OUellette has, as a sophomore in high school he broke his collar bone on a play where the defender landed on him while he was stretching the ball out for extra yards. He played seven plays after that and on his final play he ran over a defender to get into the end zone - with the shoulder that had the broken collar bone. He ultimately needed surgery where a steel plate was inserted to hold his shoulder together.

Also, in regards to the competition OUellette faced in high school, he ran for 225 yards against a team (Marion Local) that won its third straight state championship last year - a Marion Local team that destroyed the D5 state champion (Coldwater) earlier in the year. The coach of the other team actually went for it on fourth-and-ten on their own end of the field because he didn’t want to kick it to OUellette.

Why bring this up? AJ is a beast. He has a pretty bad sprained ankle right now, one that would likely keep other players off the field. But he’s the type of kid that will do anything humanly possible to help his team win games.

The Bobcats are young this year at several positions, but with a player like OUellette - and a host of other quality young players - the future is very bright.

Whoa!!! I never once questioned AJ or his background. My comment was about Canadian competition and how they (Canadian schools or clubs) cannot beat or even compete with the smallest programs in OHIO. I also stated just check the AP wire every weekend and you will see what I am talking about! So I apologize that there was a misunderstanding, but I in no way was dismissing AJ's talent or his toughness. I am however stating that a talent like Irons has a lot of learning to do because the football played in Canada is absolutely horrid.

In fact, I believe Canada is winless in Ohio (22-0 is the best I can find this year, with an average score of 55-6) this year and has only scored double digits in one or two games.
Sorry. I misunderstood you. My apologies.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 12:37 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Name ways to offset the orthodoxy of the defense has x number of men in the box and, so, as the case may be, is playing us to run or playing us to pass.

CMU was playing a defender up tight on every receiver, plus a safety behind for double coverage. The orthodox thing to do would be to simply run it up the middle every play, until you forced them to respect the run. Ohio did some of that, without a lot of success. They also used several less unorthodox methods to attack that defense:
1. Throwing long to Cochran, trying to beat the double coverage
2. Throwing to the Daz coming out of the backfield
3. Throwing to the tight end
4. Jet sweeps
5. Option plays
6. QB draws

Unfortunately none of those worked, either, at least, not consistently. Cochran did have one long catch. Despite at least 4 throws to him, Daz had no catches. Mangen managed 2 catches for the day. Walker had 3 carries for 10 yards. Sprague made enough on his runs (options, draws) to offset the yards lost on sacks.

In retrospect, maybe Ohio would have been better off to not be so cute, and maybe they should have just run it up the middle every down. Daz did get 77 yards on 12 carries. Maybe they should have just stayed conventional, and just pounded away at the inside, every play, every down, and tried to wear down the CMU defense, at least until they cheated up out of their nickle defense.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 4:10 PM
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Not a single one of those is unorthodox, 'out of the box' type thinking.

They are all what you see from us game after game.
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Posted: 10/13/2014 5:16 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
...They are all what you see from us game after game.

Quite possibly because Ohio sees a lot of nickle defenses, game after game.

Just as we can expect opposing offenses to try plays that have a reasonable chance of success against Ohio's Cover-4 (passes to the flat, fades) or Cover-2 (play action crossing routes, passes about 20 yards deep along the sidelines), Ohio will run plays that have a reasonable chance against whatever the opposing defense lines up in. That's part of the reason so many plays get replaced with audibles at the line - to make sure the play is appropriate for the way the defense is lined up.
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