Is this correct? 15,000+ announced? If so could you please send those people to my place of work to count my sales?

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400548157

I agree that this is a tiresome discussion, but I will say that it would help if the conference had uniform standards. Some schools (Western, NIU and maybe a few others) count butts in the seats while most simply count tickets sold. If everyone counted the same way maybe we could have fewer attendance discussions.

We are the most attendance-obsessed school in a conference of attendance-obsessed schools.

You hit the nail on the head without realizing it. "Count my sales."

Ohio was counting tickets sales. I bought two tickets to this game when I purchased season tickets.

If you price your product low enough, it's an easy sale. Thank goodness we have a student body willing to subsidize our ticket prices not only for athletics for all university related entertainment. I saw "Anything Goes" at Mem Aud last week and the ticket was less than $30. That same ticket the next night in Bowling Green, KY, was $60.

Our obsession stems from the ad trumpeting how great our attendance is. Most people in America, if they read a box score, see an attendance number and assume that many people were at the game. There is no debate that we lead the MAC in ticket sales and people attending games (at least for Saturday games).

Those 1,000 students are better than me! Not that we had Tuesday MACtion games back in the day, but if we did, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have trekked it all the way from one end of campus in subzero windchill weather to Peden to watch a weeknight football game. If anything, I probably would've been sidetracked at Court St. My hat's off to those 1,000 students!!

As a sidenote, what the **** was the Kent State football team trying to get to Buffalo last night for?!?! The news reported it wound up being an 11 hour drive. With 6 feet of snow in Buffalo, the MAC should have cancelled tonight's game.

Edit: Now the MAC has postponed the game. Kent State should be pissed since the MAC called the game AFTER they drove 11 hours in hazardous weather to get to Buffalo in the first place. Game should have been called yesterday as it was well known Buffalo was going to get hammered with snow. Now Kent has to drive back in bad roads AGAIN for nothing! Bad move by the MAC to wait so long!

This is the very problem with mid-week games, though. It's a giant risk to attendance should the weather not be absolutely perfect. Would it be cold on Saturday, too? Sure, but there's a big difference in going sitting in the cold in the daylight hours and at night. Throw in the weeknight issue and it's too easy to stay at home.

I know it's a tired debate, but the "MACtion" games for us this year were a total bust. I know I had several texts last night joking about the attendance from non-Bobcat watchers. This was a good matchup - one of the best teams to play in Peden the past couple of years - and we had ZERO home field advantage. I'd like to be able to go to a good late-season MAC game, but living six hours away it's out of the question on a Tuesday night. My home games are limited to the first half of the season.

I really feel bad for those who work so hard who deserve to play in front of fans - the seniors on this team, especially. The 110 practices very hard to learn new halftime shows, as do the cheerleaders/dance team only to play in front of an empty stadium. They all deserve better. I know it's money, and we'd play at 1AM if it meant getting on tv, but is it really worth it? Does anyone not currently associated with the university look at that and think we care about our football program? Can that really help recruiting more than it hurts it?

On a side note congrats to the team for playing a great game despite not having that emotional boost from the fans. Well done.

For those reasons, I hope Saturday's WMU-CMU game is a sellout. A November rivalry game on a Saturday with so much on the line for both teams is a rare treat.

Students came out much better than the regulars last night. Old folks don't like cold :)

Isn't the home team on the student side because of verbal altercations between the students and the visitors' bench?

I thought Frank changed it in his second or third year, so that the team was closer to the students.

If I'm not mistaken the rule was made because of Ohio.

Bingo and I would second that.