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Posted: 11/19/2014 9:54 AM
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FS and Co tenure has been something to think hard about. Face it, the staff took us from really LOUSY to pretty darn good...then the last 30 or so games just plain mediocre.

This all comes down to recruiting, schemes and coaching kids up. Early on, it SEEMED there was a lot of this going on. Lately, not so much. We all know the last 30 games or so OHIO has just been average at best.

I am still NOT convinced our talent level is top 5 in the MAC. Maybe recruiting the last two years was better and we will see the results on the field the next two years. If not, they will just be two wasted years where we should have moved on. I understand and agree that FS has earned the right and deserves to go out on his terms. I just hope he realizes when that time comes IF it is before his current contract ends.
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Infrastructure for one. Secondly, money.
There is no infrastructure that NIU has that we do not. Also, our budget is higher and we pay our coaches significantly more. Sorry...not buying it.
Seriously? We have literally the smallest, or one of the smallest stadiums in the FBS. We have a small and antiquated weight training facility, we just built an IPF when most the MAC has had a similar one for years, and we have to beg, steal and borrow just to build that and an academic building. Were it not for the Walter family's donation, we would not have an IPF right now. And wasn't there a news story that NIU is committing another $75 to $100 million to its athletic department and is expanding their football stadium to 40,000?
Our IPF was just built a couple years ago. Our endzone facility was built several years ago and that was desperately needed since our facilities were very antiquated at that point. The master plan that was just released seems to be a wish list. IF we get donations for it, we'll make those upgrades. Farther down the list I believe is the plan to add endzone seating which would make the stadium 30-35K, with the ability to expand to 40K. But I don't see any of that happening right away. Our official stadium capacity right now is only 24K.

I doubt NIU's facilities are better than Ohio's. I can't explain the recent success other than fortunately having 2 good QBs in a row. This year we're just snaking by even the bad teams. And the coaches have changed but the system hasn't, so that helps.
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Posted: 11/19/2014 10:10 AM
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NIU007b wrote:expand_more
Infrastructure for one. Secondly, money.
There is no infrastructure that NIU has that we do not. Also, our budget is higher and we pay our coaches significantly more. Sorry...not buying it.
Seriously? We have literally the smallest, or one of the smallest stadiums in the FBS. We have a small and antiquated weight training facility, we just built an IPF when most the MAC has had a similar one for years, and we have to beg, steal and borrow just to build that and an academic building. Were it not for the Walter family's donation, we would not have an IPF right now. And wasn't there a news story that NIU is committing another $75 to $100 million to its athletic department and is expanding their football stadium to 40,000?
Our IPF was just built a couple years ago. Our endzone facility was built several years ago and that was desperately needed since our facilities were very antiquated at that point. The master plan that was just released seems to be a wish list. IF we get donations for it, we'll make those upgrades. Farther down the list I believe is the plan to add endzone seating which would make the stadium 30-35K, with the ability to expand to 40K. But I don't see any of that happening right away. Our official stadium capacity right now is only 24K.

I doubt NIU's facilities are better than Ohio's. I can't explain the recent success other than fortunately having 2 good QBs in a row. This year we're just snaking by even the bad teams. And the coaches have changed but the system hasn't, so that helps.
Thanks NIU and my bad then, perhaps Ohio's football facilities aren't as far down in the MAC as I thought.

I would then have to agree with CMoney as to NIU's advantage location-wise. Also, their coaching staff and ability to recruit is perhaps a shade better than Ohio's right now, although WMU is apparently gaining ground quickly there.
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Posted: 11/19/2014 10:19 AM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more
Still waiting on 9704 to list his specific changes in the thread that he started.

I think we are seeing the ramifications of the 2010 recruiting class not working out. How many seniors were honored last night? I have been pleased with recent recruiting classes. The number of underclassmen who are holding their own and generating some wins is encouraging for the future. Go back to season prediction threads. How many of us honestly thought we were MAC East contenders this year?

In the past, I, like many, have been highly critical of Tim Albin's decision-making with BUTM. I'm no LC, but I feel like we are mixing up pass and run better this year and we have a QB who will keep on the read option. We'll finish 6-6, as I predicted, but I think next year will be a very, very strong season.

Bold prediction: We go undefeated in non-conference play next year.
I realize that prediction is probably from a moment of exuberance...we all have them. But I will take that bet. If there are no coaching changes or other significant change(s), there is no chance of undefeated in MAC.
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Just makes you wonder what Ohio is missing.
Favorable geography. NIU is the only G5 school in Illinois and isn't too far from Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Iowa. For just about any prospect in the Upper Midwest that isn't quite up to B1G standards, NIU is the next logical choice.

Ohio has to compete with Toledo, BG, Kron, Kent, Fiami, and UC for the in-state talent osu doesn't want.
Then go elsewhere. Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia and Pennsylvania are close too. Not that Kentucky and West Virginia are rich in talent, but go out and find players. Don't just hope kids from Ohio to pick you over six other schools.

BTW, I know how Owen Hart feels after a loss sometimes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1vzgN_IhoI
He's not a nugget, either!
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One correction on the weight room. At 10,000 sq.ft its one of the largest in the MAC. Toledo's is only 5,000 square feet. Frank has a project to spruce up the weight room to make it more attractive for recruits.
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NIU007b wrote:expand_more
Infrastructure for one. Secondly, money.
There is no infrastructure that NIU has that we do not. Also, our budget is higher and we pay our coaches significantly more. Sorry...not buying it.
Seriously? We have literally the smallest, or one of the smallest stadiums in the FBS. We have a small and antiquated weight training facility, we just built an IPF when most the MAC has had a similar one for years, and we have to beg, steal and borrow just to build that and an academic building. Were it not for the Walter family's donation, we would not have an IPF right now. And wasn't there a news story that NIU is committing another $75 to $100 million to its athletic department and is expanding their football stadium to 40,000?
Our IPF was just built a couple years ago. Our endzone facility was built several years ago and that was desperately needed since our facilities were very antiquated at that point. The master plan that was just released seems to be a wish list. IF we get donations for it, we'll make those upgrades. Farther down the list I believe is the plan to add endzone seating which would make the stadium 30-35K, with the ability to expand to 40K. But I don't see any of that happening right away. Our official stadium capacity right now is only 24K.

I doubt NIU's facilities are better than Ohio's. I can't explain the recent success other than fortunately having 2 good QBs in a row. This year we're just snaking by even the bad teams. And the coaches have changed but the system hasn't, so that helps.

The above quote - 'I can't explain the recent success other than fortunately having 2 good QBs in a row.'

This says it all. When you have a good, reliable QB, everyone plays better. This is the missing piece for OU. Get a QB...Get wins.
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Posted: 11/19/2014 4:10 PM
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Ohio has to compete with Toledo, BG, Kron, Kent, Fiami, and UC for the in-state talent osu doesn't want.

It's way worse than that. OSU gets the Ohio kids they want. Then the rest of the Big Ten and Notre Dame pick through them, and you can now add Kentucky and Tennessee into that group. Then UC, then the MAC schools. The state is either #4 or #5 in terms of D1 prospects. But the entire Midwest is going after them. How often does OU pull in a consensus 3*?

Hopefully the facility upgrades help.


http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecrui...
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Posted: 11/20/2014 11:14 AM
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Then go elsewhere. Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia and Pennsylvania are close too. Not that Kentucky and West Virginia are rich in talent, but go out and find players. Don't just hope kids from Ohio to pick you over six other schools.

Oh, I don't disagree. We have made a point the past several recruiting classes to target Ohio more than Florida/California/JUCO/etc. There are advantages to that, and disadvantages to that.....

I don't see any significant change in that regard the last couple years, except in the acceptance rate. They have always issued a lot of offers early to Ohio players, but prior to the last couple years, few of them were accepted. Then, what usually happened was that they scoured the country to find good players to fill the class in December and January. What happened differently the last two years is that the players from Ohio that Ohio wanted accepted. The result was that the class was essentially filled from the early offers, and there was no room left in the class at the end, so they didn't end up taking as many from elsewhere.

I'm OK with this. The big advantage of offering Ohio kids is that the coaches have seen them in person, and have perhaps had them in camps. Thus they have a better idea what they are getting. If they can fill the class with the players they want locally, I see that as a good thing. When there are spaces left, rather than offering second tier Ohio players, go nationwide for talent to fill whatever spaces are left.
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I'm OK with this. The big advantage of offering Ohio kids is that the coaches have seen them in person, and have perhaps had them in camps. Thus they have a better idea what they are getting. If they can fill the class with the players they want locally, I see that as a good thing. When there are spaces left, rather than offering second tier Ohio players, go nationwide for talent to fill whatever spaces are left.

I like offering Ohio kids for a different reason. Even the most die-hard Bobcat fan understands that Ohio is a university before it is a football program. When you offer Ohio kids, you are building/strengthening ties to the people and communities you most want invested in your university in addition to your athletics.
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Posted: 11/20/2014 11:39 AM
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Ozcat wrote:expand_more
Ohio has to compete with Toledo, BG, Kron, Kent, Fiami, and UC for the in-state talent osu doesn't want.

It's way worse than that. OSU gets the Ohio kids they want. Then the rest of the Big Ten and Notre Dame pick through them, and you can now add Kentucky and Tennessee into that group. Then UC, then the MAC schools. The state is either #4 or #5 in terms of D1 prospects. But the entire Midwest is going after them. How often does OU pull in a consensus 3*?

Hopefully the facility upgrades help.
Don't forget Pitt and WVU. They usually have a dozen or more Ohio kids on their roster.
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I'm OK with this. The big advantage of offering Ohio kids is that the coaches have seen them in person, and have perhaps had them in camps. Thus they have a better idea what they are getting. If they can fill the class with the players they want locally, I see that as a good thing. When there are spaces left, rather than offering second tier Ohio players, go nationwide for talent to fill whatever spaces are left.

I like offering Ohio kids for a different reason. Even the most die-hard Bobcat fan understands that Ohio is a university before it is a football program. When you offer Ohio kids, you are building/strengthening ties to the people and communities you most want invested in your university in addition to your athletics.

+1

That's a big plus. By taking more Ohio players, Ohio is clearly building closer ties to the state, and you see that in that zipcode map that was posted here earlier this year. Unfortunately, though, they can't win by offering 2d and 3rd rate Ohio players. That's why, in prior years, when they didn't get the Ohio players they wanted, they went elsewhere.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 3:06 AM
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It was pointed out by someone (P Graham?) late last year that we have a miserable record lately against MAC teams with winning records.

Time for a change.

A very significant change.


Start your evaluation of that record this way: the bottom of the MAC teams (which the losing record MAC teams are) are horrible. Horrible.
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