You need to work on your self-righteousness and your incomprehensibility.






I'm giving you to everyone I know as a holiday gift. They'll love the warmth.

I took a quick look at MAC East Depth Charts. Here is what the teams will lose next year:
BG - 3 starters, 1 2d string
Mass - 3 starters, 1 second string (but one loss is their QB)
Kent - 5 starters, 1 second string
Ohio - 5 starters, 2 second string
Miami - 9 starters, 2 second string
Akron - 10 starters, 10 second string
Buffalo - 12 starters, 4 second string

Looking 2 years out, the teams will lose:
Kent - 9 starters, 3 second string
BG - 12 starters, 4 second string
Ohio - 12 starters, 7 second string
Miami - 14 starters, 3 second string
Mass - 14 starters, 9 second string
Buffalo - 20 starters, 10 second string
Akron - 22 starters, 16 second string

Conclusion: For next year, BG will be favored again, with Ohio and Mass picked for second and third place. Kent will be better, but they are too far back to go far. Akron and Buffalo will be worse.

For 2016, Kent will probably be a top half team. Since Mass will be gone from the conference, it will be Ohio and BG fighting for the top, with Kent and Miami right behind. His transfer strategy will come back to bite Bowden as he has to replace the entire team in only 2 years, and Buffalo also faces some major rebuilding.

It looks like the East will improve next year. I'd like to think that it could hardly get any worse.

Frohnapfel is actually back next year. He graduated in three years from Marshall and redshirted one year there, so next year is his fifth year.

Revision:

Re-reading your post it's certainly possible I mis-interpreted where your disagreement was. If the "calm down" was intended to address the number of "stats" related posts I've made lately, so be it. I interpreted your "calm down" as an amplification of Swank's passive-aggressive post. If there was a mis-communication, the five day delay from my original post is what threw me off. Regardless, I'll leave my response intact.

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Bro turn down the volume on your computer. If there's tone or inflection to my voice in your mind's eye, you put it there.

BTW I graduated in 2012, your poke at me is a little outdated. And I assure you, they don't cover sports history in an engineering classroom. (I wish they did)

I am aggressive towards Monroe's posts (maybe not to the extent that you might be imagining on your side of the keyboard). The animosity builds over the years. I forgive. But I don't have Alzheimer's. Don't expect me to forget.

I put a concerted effort into my public and private endeavors. And when I spend the time to develop an articulate response to a person's post, I expect a commensurate response in return. Not some elementary metal dribble. When, through iteration, that person has communicated to me they are unwilling or flat out incapable of delivering a commensurate response (for whatever reason), I handle them how I see fit.

The trash talk is part is all part of the game. But if you doubt that I have intellectually dismantled Monroe's posts, consider this:

On the first page of this thread, as I explained, Monroe alluded to Frank somehow being inadequate because of his record against teams with winning records. He literally re-posted the numbers I provided as an answer to BTC's question.

I then exposed his allusion by tabulating each MAC team's record against teams with winning records over the same period. OHIO was only behind NIU over that period. The results would lead most functionally literate human beings to the conclusion that Monroe's allusion was false.

Did I not engage the intellect by taking the argument into pieces? Was the allusion not intellectually dismantled?

Furthermore, did Monroe not reinforce my position on him as a poster by his response?

Monroe is a carnival game with no prize.

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To address your post about the state of the program. I see anomaly. I see the perfect storm.

I see a quarterback who became a record holder, a star, and then inexplicably disappeared, refused to run. I see an old school coach who built a career on trusting to the people around him to do the job that is asked of them. And I see results on the field by that quarterback that may have just blindsided Frank's conventional wisdom.

If you want to push the data out of the 2012 and 2013, I'm still not breaking a sweat. I see the starting quarterback out with an injury for all but 2 and a half quarters of the conference losses (all 2 and half quarters on the road). I see a former walk-on playing QB and I see the more highly touted recruit riding the pine because of an off the field bone head move (purely speculation, but one can imagine how a bonehead move by a backup QB can put one in the doghouse of an old school coach for some time).

Is the OHIO program on the decline?

Can we look outside of OHIO for answers?

Just read the K-State Bill Synder story.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?ForumP...

Bill Synder retired after back to back losing seasons.

Without Bill though, the new head coach stumbled through a pair of his own losing seasons.

Can you see the image I'm trying to paint? I'm staking a position that yourself and like minded individuals are similar to the K-State fan boys that put the pressure on Bill Synder to retire.

And I believe that Frank Solich, on a relative scale, can be the Bill Synder that is coaching the #12 KSU Wildcats right now.

BTW, a critical part of the Bill Synder story: He stuck with his offensive coordinators through thick and thin over his career. So knock Albin all you want, but that's how coaches cut from the cloth of Bill Synder and Frank Solich do business. And those men, and their method, are time tested and Hall of Fame approved.

+1 These next couple years are going to be special. Franks got this, we have a lot of young talent returning and I see us being atop the MAC East

"Know-it-all", a pejorative term void of creativity.

Have a sense of humor. Lighten up Monroe. I didn't realize this was the all fun zone.

As if telling anyone to "have a sense of humor" or "lighten up" actually gives the accused a fair chance to defend themselves... Those comments are in the same vein as accusing someone of "being in denial". LOL

You responded to my data-driven post with a bunch of emotion, speculation, excuses and discussion of a completely different coach and team. Isn't this exactly the crime you accused Monroe of?

Of course, the reason you responded the way you did is that the results on the field for the past three years cannot be spun. We are no longer a top-tier MAC football team and that much is clear to any observer.

Whether Frank & Co. lost control (or is it "the respect"?) of his team or the players took advantage of a trusting old coach is something we probably will never know. I like to focus on facts and results...actually thats wrong. I like to focus on GOOD FOOTBALL. I enjoy watching the Bobcats when they play GOOD FOOTBALL and compete at a relatively high level. When my old man and I left Detroit in 2011 after a devastating loss I didn't feel down at all. We lost to a good team, played hard and things just didn't work out.

When will this team be fun to watch again? Thats what I care about. When will they be COMPETITIVE with top-tier MAC teams?

Hopefully its tonight.

Are you kidding me Paul? I did this dance with Monroe a couple threads ago. You can't use a data set to develop a theory and then use the same data set to confirm the theory. You didn't present a data driven post. You presented a straw man.

My conclusions are based on Frank Solich's life work. I look to Bill Snyder for established precedent of a 60+ year old coach remaining competitive compared to his younger self.

I mean come on Paul, the mind doesn't quit like the body. There's a reason why a guy like Stephen Hawking remains a hot commodity.

All this aside. Go Bobcats. The NIU game tonight has all the potential as of this moment to be a turning point for the season and the future.

Tough to have a discussion with a guy who's always right, won't admit anyone who disagrees could be giving insight, and who demands that you play by his rules and judgments even if those rules and judgments change or don't necessarily make sense.

I'm amazed that someone out of school for 2+ years thinks he knows so much. I don't want to get into a battle of smarts and experience (that's pointless) but you might consider that those of us who've seen more than you could have a leg to stand on.

You seem to learn by running your mouth. I learn more by keeping mine shut most of the time.

perimeterpost helped me understand that beating NIU is not the standard for good. Since losing to Ohio in 09 the only MAC team to beat NIU in the regular season is CMU. If a 5-5 MAC team beats NIU tonight there needs to be some happy Bobcat fans. NIU is the standard for very, very good. I just hope that if things go NIU's way tonight the Ohio seniors don't hear that they suck because they did not beat NIU.

Its ok Monroe. We've all been in our early-mid 20's before.

I've been posting on BA and its previous incarnations since I was in 7'th grade and I'm now 32. Jeff can attest to how many times I've made an a$$ of myself here.